There's currently several brands of really high-tech 8-bit, 60Hz, 6ms, sporting a 99,1% of sRGB color with the extra clear S-IPS LED-panels - which is pretty darn impressives, to demonstrate how clear, here is an example:
The 27Q LED you see on the upper right part of the image is from the Crossover 27Q LED which is one (out of several) of these brands using the above mentioned panels. The panel is the same as used by by the latest Apple Cinema Display (iMac) 2560x1440.
Prices
Depending on which one of the monitors you are looking for (all of them are sold via eBay, with the 120hz-exception (there are some 120Hz-models for sale here: http://120hz.net/content.php ) the prices range between $250 up to $600. This includes a 100-220 volt converter for those countries that need them, international shipping is $15.
Trusted sellers
Basically there are two people who sell these monitors on eBay that people have repeatedly confirmed as trustworthy, they are: dream-seller and redcap - they usually promise to deliver between 3-5 days, and in all cases this has been true (with exception for some countries (like Sweden) where toll administrative offices have stopped the delivery for up to one week).
Toll costs
Some users report that there has been no additional fees, Swedes have been reporting toll fees for up to $150 (around 1000SEK). This seems to be very hit and miss. Some users claim that asking redcap or dream-seller to mark the item as a $150 gift will drastically lower the toll fees.
User reports
The user reports coming from different forums (like sweclockers, hardocp, etc.) are that these are some seriously awesome monitors in terms of display quality.
Issues
It is worth noting though that these are classified A, not A+ - which basically means that the manufacturers have a slightly less strict "dead/stuck-pixel" policy. User reports somewhere between 3-5 dead or stuck pixels (in most cases barely visible, and only on a black background). It is worth noting though that there have been a very small number of reports of more of these issues or a faulty delivery. In all cases I've read about it this has been fixed by sending them back (although the users have had to pay for return-delivery themselves).
Build quality
According to users you get what you pay for, the cheapest ($250) have slightly flimsy monitor feet and buttons, whereas the better models (like the crossover) are much, much more solidly built.
Why get one?
So why should you get one? Well, considering the amount of people that report how good these monitors are - some of whom I know and respect, that are involved with printing and photography say that these are some the best monitors they've owned, with maybe an exception for Eizo monitors priced 10-20 times more than these.
Why not get one?
Most of these models do not have overlay controls, and a few of them are reported as being difficult to calibrate properly. Returning one of these things for repairs or warranty return can be a costy process, and without question it is not like being able to get one from the store. The cheaper models are quite flimsy, and no instructions are offered in english. Dead pixels can be problematic, but dream-seller has been reported to test every screen before shipping, returning all faulty ones to the manufacturer. This gives some protection from this issue.
Product: CROSSOVER 27Q LED
Panel Type: LG DISPLAY S-IPS FHD
Screen Size: 69cm / 27 inch
Pixel Size: 0.2331 mm x 0.2331 mm
Resolution: 2560x1440 @60Hz
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Display Colors: 16.7 M Colors
Brightness: 380 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 1,000 : 1
Response Time: 6 ms
Viewing Angle: 178°/178°
Horizontality frequency: 30 ~ 81 kHz
Verticality frequency: 56 ~ 75 Hz
In put port: 1 DVI PORT (DUAL LINK)
Power Supply: Adapter AC 220V, 65 W(On), 1 W(Stand by)
Dimensions: 645(W) X 385(H) X 445(T)mm
Weight: 6.5 kg
Plug & Play: VESA DDC 1/2B
Wall Standards: 100X100 VESA Wall Mount
paid: 350 buckazoids
So looking forward to getting it - apparently the monitor is made partly (the entire shell actually) in metal, no flimsy plastic here.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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OP updated with a full user review link (with a lot of pictures showing the very little light bleed, input lag, etc. - pretty much 99% of the people who I've read bought the Crossover 27Q have been extremely pleased with it.
Quotes (translated from my friend who got his earlier today):
"Feels very, very solid, hard metal. My old Dell U2711 feels like a toy in comparison"
"When I compare the same image, side by side with the Dell, the dell looks like there's like a shower window in between the screen and the image... hard to describe, but like there was something you wanted to remove, the Crossover is clear like still water, you almost want to reach into the screen"
"The only bad thing is that it reflects (glossy) a bit more than the Dell, but the Dell has "grains" in the texture, by comparison the Crossover is very much better"
"I have two dead pixels, both are on the lower left part of my screen, they are so tiny I have to be very close to the screen and look precisely at them to notice."
"In complete pitch black darkness, the screen is obviously a bit bright, it "shines" with a very soft blue tone, but there is no bleed whatsoever from the edges, astounding"
"It's 16:9, not 16:10, so the Dell has more screen estate in terms of pixels. But because the edge of the Crossover is thinner, it feels like its bigger, could be me who is overexcited though"
I'm extremely tempted to get one of these just because I can
The same panel is also used in Dell's U2711 btw. This thing sits somewhere around Apple's levels in terms of image quality, the Dell is slightly ahead, but at half the price of the Dell (this is ~300 EUR, Dell is ~600, Apple is ~900) it's incredibly tempting
Yeah I'm pretty happy with the Samsung SA850 though this here is the smaller model at 24" at 1920x1200 instead of 27" at 1920x1080 but otherwise they're apparently not too different.
(Though I prefer 1920x1200 over 1920x1080 and 27" and up would be better at that 2560x1440 or what it was again, I forgot as there's some of them but usually only at 30" and above.)
The above led example in the first image was really interesting, still have a lot to learn I guess since I didn't know it could differ that much, plus there's probably a lot of other things to consider.
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tl;dr
Samsung S27A850D and Crossover are basically equal on input lag, etc. - with the Crossover having a more clear display and less backlight bleeding.
Certainly tempting to get one...but I'd probably need another 680GTX to get certain games running on max at that resolution
Think I'm just gonna forget this thread was here...I noticed I'm starting to spend too much money on things I don't really need. Two mid-range FullHD monitors will do for next couple of years I think.
Certainly tempting to get one...but I'd probably need another 680GTX to get certain games running on max at that resolution
Think I'm just gonna forget this thread was here...I noticed I'm starting to spend too much money on things I don't really need. Two mid-range FullHD monitors will do for next couple of years I think.
I'll do a review when I get mine and if it is as good as it seems, I will turn you over to the dark side.
I looked at the forum, and the guy compared it to Apples Cinemadisplay, and basically it's a better (if you compare prices) than Apples display. So I'd definitely like to get my hands on one of those, even if they have one or two dead or stuck pixels...
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chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.
No, seriously, fuck 3D. Not only do I think it's not worth it as I find the effect very disappointing most of the time, but it's also just very uncomfortable. 120 Hz itself is a different story, but for 3D? No, not until it's passive.
@ dingo: Apple's Cinema Display is massively overpriced (much more so than Macbooks), it's virtually identical to Dell's U2711. It's also ridiculously reflective in real life
This a hundred times over (nothing against you though Yondaime ).
Fucking hate it, but most of all in the cinema. Worst is, my town is very small, so only one movie theater, and sure, their equipment was updated not long ago, so it's pretty decent, but since it's only one screen, they choose 3D over 2D, when the movie comes in both flavors. Fucking hate it.
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No, seriously, fuck 3D. Not only do I think it's not worth it as I find the effect very disappointing most of the time, but it's also just very uncomfortable. 120 Hz itself is a different story, but for 3D? No, not until it's passive.
@ dingo: Apple's Cinema Display is massively overpriced (much more so than Macbooks), it's virtually identical to Dell's U2711. It's also ridiculously reflective in real life
Yeah, when you look at Apple ($999) vs Crossover ($400), there really is nothing to think about. But for the reflectiveness, the Crossover 27q is also glossy, is that a big deal?
Mine good ol Samsung has non glossy lcd, but the viewing angles suck so much, that if I lower my head by 10 cm, the colors change -.-" That sucks so much, especially if I'm doing something with graphics...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson
chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.
Well there's glossy and there's mirror-like-glossy. According to that review on overclock.net's forums, it's about as bad as the Apple display (like a mirror), which I found very annoying when I used it. We'll hear soon enough I guess, when fisk has his
Well, the glass screen is better then just the glossy coating. The glass screen doesn't reflect as bad, but you still have the clarity since there is basically nothing in the way.
But yes, the Apple display is grossly overpriced given the release of the S27B970D which is superior in every way.
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