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Moshi
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 Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 11:15 Post subject: Updating my MB, CPU, RAM |
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So I'd like to upgrade my 4 year old PC with new components now. My budget is around 300 € (about 390$).
I'll be using my computer for basically everything. Programs, watching HD movies, gaming (from oldest to newest games). So a bit of everything.
I will reuse my old case, my 2 HDDs, graphics card (HD 4770) which is stil acceptable until I get more money (probably GTX 560 Ti) and 550 W PSU.
I will most likely buy parts from this site http://www.hoh.de here's a google translated site http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hoh.de
What I am preferring are Intel CPUs, motherboards with USB 3.0, SATA III, 1600 Mhz RAM support, at least 8 GB 1600 MHz RAM.
I am not a big fan overclocking so I don't need it aswell as dual graphics cards.
So here are the parts I envisioned. If you have better suggestions or corrections please let me know. I'm still a bit of a noob with chipsets and compatibility.
Intel Core i5 3550 4x3.30GHz So1155 Box Ivy Bridge
http://www.hoh.de/hardware/cpu-prozessor/neuheiten/568491/intel-core-i5-3550-4x3.30ghz-so1155-box-ivy-bridge
MSI Z68A-G43 (G3) Z68 Sockel 1155 ATX DDR3
http://www.hoh.de/hardware/mainboards/intel/sockel-1155/msi/471161/msi-z68a-g43-g3-z68-sockel-1155-atx-ddr3
Kingston 8GB KIT PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 HyperX blu 2x4GB
http://www.hoh.de/hardware/arbeitsspeicher/desktop/ddr3/1600-2000/hersteller/kingston/464021/kingston-8gb-kit-pc3-12800-ddr3-1600-hyperx-blu-2x4gb?c=38911 This one has XMP profile? Will it be 1600 Mhz at start or will I need to overclock it? I'm not familiar with this.
So total price of this combo is 303,88 €.
What do you think?
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Frant
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garus
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 11:28 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 11:28 Post subject: |
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Because it's easy, offers amazing performance increases and doesn't require tampering with settings. Most of the time it's as easy as typing "40" into the multiplier box. I run my own 25k at 4.5Ghz but I got a bullshit chip, 4.5 requires 1.35v to be stable. Now the summer is here, even on my H80 liquid, I have to downclock it back to 4Ghz in order to stay under 40c idle.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 11:31 Post subject: |
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i was also gonna advice 2500K, with just slight overclock (stock cooler) it will perform better than 3550, and with good overclock 4.5Ghz for example, it will completely destroy non overclockable 3550
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 11:33 Post subject: |
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At STOCK the 25k will perform better than the 3550.
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Moshi
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 11:34 Post subject: |
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But is there a need to overclock a CPU to 4GHz? Do games take advantage of it (GTA 4, BF3?), programs, and stuff like that.
I've been living happily with my E6750 @ 2.6 Ghz for a few years now. Yes, I had struggles with newer demanding games but I think a new CPU @ 3.3 GHz can handle them easily.
And if I wanted to OC wouldn't it be better to get 3570k ? Newer technology, less power to consume, etc...?
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 11:36 Post subject: |
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Less power to consume, but due to Intel snafu; it will actually run hotter and have worse OC performance. As for a "need"? Is there a "need" to have better performance at all? Of course! A faster proc will mean a faster machine overall and since a lot of games are cruddy console ports - they're CPU-bound which means faster CPU often ends up being more critical than faster GPUs. 4Ghz is effortless and the performance difference between 3.3 and 4 will be massive.
... besides, like I said; for the SAME price as the 3550 Ivy, you can get a better performing (even without OC) 2500k Sandy. It really is a no brainer. Sure you could get 3570k and hope that it's one of the ones Intel fixed the IHS on and theoretically it would be more powerful than the 2500k .. but at a €25+ premium, which goes over your allotted budget doesn't it?
@Frant
What temps are you getting on that? 4.5Ghz with a NH-u12 can't be too impressive :\
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 11:53 Post subject: |
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Good point, though at the time I only considered the H80 since it was part of a bundle deal with the board and proc - saving 500kr on the price of the cooler compared to buying it singly.
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Moshi
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 12:01 Post subject: |
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Alright guys, you have convinced me. I will buy 2500K.
So is the motherboard good for overclocking?
I still don't understand what XMP profile is?
At MSI site http://www.msi.com/product/mb/Z68A-G43--B3-.html#/?div=Detail there are some asterisks at 1600 and bigger speeds of RAM. Is that going to be a problem? Will I get 1600 MHz from the moment I put the stick in?
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 12:04 Post subject: |
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| Moshi wrote: | But is there a need to overclock a CPU to 4GHz? Do games take advantage of it (GTA 4, BF3?), programs, and stuff like that.
I've been living happily with my E6750 @ 2.6 Ghz for a few years now. Yes, I had struggles with newer demanding games but I think a new CPU @ 3.3 GHz can handle them easily.
And if I wanted to OC wouldn't it be better to get 3570k ? Newer technology, less power to consume, etc...? |
The need is all a question of performance. The faster the CPU, the faster apps, windows etc. will work. You can never have enough performance really. And why not run the CPU at what it's capable of instead of running at a nerfed speed? You'll notice faster response in Windows, games will have a big pool of CPU performance to use etc..
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 12:06 Post subject: |
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| Moshi wrote: | Alright guys, you have convinced me. I will buy 2500K.
So is the motherboard good for overclocking?
I still don't understand what XMP profile is?
At MSI site http://www.msi.com/product/mb/Z68A-G43--B3-.html#/?div=Detail there are some asterisks at 1600 and bigger speeds of RAM. Is that going to be a problem? Will I get 1600 MHz from the moment I put the stick in? |
it's normal, because sandy bridge native ram speed max is 1333, so anything above that such as 1600 is considered ram overclock.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 14:21 Post subject: |
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I run mine on Medium and the noise is negligible at best. I don't bother using low because with the low noise of medium it just didn't seem worth it. High, however, is loud. It's louder than my 360 when playing games from the drive - but not as loud as my 570 with 60% fan.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 15:19 Post subject: |
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To be honest mate, you'd probably be better off looking at the True Spirit 140. It's about half the volume, a third of the price and only a few degrees worse cooling performance.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2012 15:29 Post subject: |
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You know I am just fond of the idea of not having that big chunky cooler strapped to my motherboard and cluttering the inside of my case. I want to try something new.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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These chips are BUILT for OCing and in the vast majority of cases all you simply need to do is change the CPU multiplier to 40. Bam! There you go, 4Ghz out of the box and - again in the vast majority of cases - a vcore bump isn't even needed.
If Medium is enough for 4.5Ghz, I think I'll get that cooler asap. My Noctua nh-u9b wasnt enough for me anymore.
Mount the radiator on the outside of the case, feed the pipes through and you've got a tiny block just for the CPU.
