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 Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 18:12 Post subject: Upgrading my PSU |
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So I have an old Antec True Power Trio 650W.
It's been working great for years now but it's time for me to get a new one since I was thinking of going 570 sli (already have one so just buying another) but my old faithful doesn't have enough 8pin connectors. 
So I was thinking about getting the NZXT HALE90 750W 80+ Gold, I would really love some imput from the guru's in here before I complete the purchase tho.
I've read some reviews and it seems to be a quite good PSU (although a bit expensive) but I'd love some input on this. 
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 18:38 Post subject: |
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http://www.frys.com/product/6907217#detailed
bought it a few months ago for $250 or so, totally worth it, couldn't stand a non modular, it even pumps 200w entirely fanless, very quiet for the most part too, one of the best i've ever owned by far.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 18:50 Post subject: |
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| fuckit wrote: | http://www.frys.com/product/6907217#detailed
bought it a few months ago for $250 or so, totally worth it, couldn't stand a non modular, it even pumps 200w entirely fanless, very quiet for the most part too, one of the best i've ever owned by far. |
Awesome...
So I made a good purchase then. ^_^ |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 19:04 Post subject: |
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sort of, if you're on a tighter budget, let's compare:
one i bought: [spoiler] | Quote: | ATX
Wattage: 1050
PFC: Active
80 Plus: 80 Plus Gold
SLI: Ready
Crossfire: Ready
Modular: Yes
+3.3V: 22
+5V: 25
Number of +12V Rails: 1
+12V 1: 82
+12V 2: 0
+12V 3: 0
+12V 4: 0
+12V 5: 0
+12V 6: 0
+12V 7: 0
+12V 8: 0
Motherboard Connector: 20 + 4 Pin
15 Pin SATA: 12
4 Pin Molex: 5
4 Pin + 12V: 1
6 Pin PCI-Express: 0
6 + 2 Pin ( PCI-Express: 6
8 Pin PCI-Express: 0
8 Pin EPS 12V: 0
4 Pin Floppy Connector: 1
HP Video 4 Pin: 0
Aux 6 Pin: 0
Dell 6 Pin: 0
Dimensions: 7.0 x 3.4 x 5.9 |
 Spoiler: | | Quote: | ATX
Wattage: 750
PFC: Active
80 Plus: 80 Plus Gold
SLI: Ready
Crossfire: Ready
Modular: Yes
+3.3V: 24
+5V: 22
Number of +12V Rails: 1
+12V 1: 62
+12V 2: 0
+12V 3: 0
+12V 4: 0
+12V 5: 0
+12V 6: 0
+12V 7: 0
+12V 8: 0
Motherboard Connector: 20 + 4 Pin
15 Pin SATA: 5
4 Pin Molex: 7
4 Pin + 12V: 1
6 Pin PCI-Express: 2
6 + 2 Pin ( PCI-Express: 2
8 Pin PCI-Express: 0
8 Pin EPS 12V: 1
4 Pin Floppy Connector: 1
HP Video 4 Pin: 0
Aux 6 Pin: 0
Dell 6 Pin: 0
Dimensions: 7.1 x 5.9 x 3.4 |
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so the main differences, you have 2 more 4 pin molex, not a big deal you can buy extensions that add more @ at like $2.50 each, 2 less +3.3V, 3 more +5V, 20 less +12V 1, 3 more 15 pin SATA, only two 6 pin PCI-e (this chart is misleading the 6+2 can be used identically to the 6 pin PCI-e, you either strip off the extra two pins or just have them hanging off the edge) whereas i have a total of 6 possible but you can still do 4 way SLI/xfire (just not 6 way  ) and you also have 1 8 pin EPS 12V that i don't have any of, you have 400w less and are unable to run 200w fanless.
if you were looking for top of the line you came out behind, the connectors that that graph shows mine short on are because it was made in a way to let more connectors serve a dual purpose and probably one or two to keep it efficient while above 1000w output, they're both 80 plus gold rated though so yours isn't too much less efficient again i'm thinking it was limitations caused by 1050w output. honestly though, i think you'll see non 80 plus gold rated PSUs either already extinct entirely or very soon.
when i bought this one it was the single most efficient PSU purchasable as far as cooling to wattage out and may still be in all honesty, but you didn't do bad for a step down.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 19:24 Post subject: |
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| fuckit wrote: | | you have 400w less |
Actually, only 240W. Your PSU can only sustain ~980-985W, the NZXT can sustain 740-745.
| fuckit wrote: | | are unable to run 200w fanless. |
Actually, it does do that. So does mine (Seasonic X-650) - doesn't kick in till ~320W in fact. Not sure where it kicks in on the Hale90 750W exactly, but the 650W version kicks in at about 235W. Being able to run fanless at low power draw is nothing special anymore for high-end PSUs, I wouldn't call it high-end if it didn't have that.
In fact, yours has a fair bit of ripple and pretty bad cooling; the fan may kick in late, but it also runs hot as hell. Quite typical for an Enhance PSU though. To say his isn't top of the bill is nothing short of bullshit, it's in fact a better built unit overall.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 19:25 Post subject: |
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Hmmm, well...over 1000W seems like overkill for me.
I'm just going to add one more GPU and go SLI so 750W seems just fine. 
However I'm thinking more of the overall quality, that the parts are good and won't break within a years use and that the power output won't fluctuate too much and become unstable.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 19:34 Post subject: |
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Anywho, thanks for the tips guys. Guess I'll stick with the NZXT then. ^_^
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 19:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 20:25 Post subject: |
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Eh, what? You said yours is older, and it's anything but; 4 months younger at the very least. I'd have to check, but I think the SPH's came out in April last year, which would make the difference 7 months (with the NZXT being older, not younger like you say) 
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 20:26 Post subject: |
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i don't know or care anymore, i still have no clue where you got the heat efficiency data from, either way, good choice OP.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Apr 2012 22:23 Post subject: |
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so basically, after reading all 5 pages of PSU porn, long story short, you're trying to pick it apart based on one test with a jury rigged 7V rail which might i add he mentions is a first EVER seen integrated into a power supply causing barely noticeable statistical differences in an OVEN BOX of all things?
given that i'd say your standards are way too high, he gave it an 8.6 and the only bad thing about it is still technically within spec, honestly at least 60% of that review is heaping praise on it and even so you're trying to pick it apart at a weak point a lot of PSUs are still years from considering implementing in the first place.
i agree, it could do better on that jury rigged 7V rail test, but.... i don't know, i have to wonder how dependable a review and opinion based on statistics can honestly be with a sample size of a single unit.
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Apr 2012 00:14 Post subject: |
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Read it better, the 3.3 rail isn't top notch either. Fuck the 7v rail, they added that just to be special and it obviously isn't worth it. That "oven box" is actually not that far off an average PC; 80PLUS test at "room temperature" (22 degrees celsius) which is just complete horseshit. Even in my case, the ambient temperature is still 37 degrees in the bottom half. And before you say that heat doesn't matter, it does because it makes capacitors degrade way faster and makes them perform worse (capacitors are the most heavily affected in most cases, other parts are affected as well of course). That peak of 67 is really damn high, no matter how you twist it - when compared to the Seasonic unit it is bad even, considering the overall ambient temperature in this case started 15 degrees lower.
And yes, I do have high standards for PSUs, I also have not had one fail on me in 8 years or so, nor has the PSU failed in any of the PCs I've put together. The biggest problem is that a lot of people go "OH IT HAZ MOAR SO IT MUST BE BETTAR" and that's really not the case with PSUs. There are plenty of "1000W" units that can barely sustain 850W and those are also the ones that'll fail the quickest because they've got shit components inside. The good thing with PSUs is that unlike with monitors for example, there's no component juggling. Review samples rarely differ from retail models, the only case I can remember is where Seasonic (of all of them) got some bad results from reviews and used heatsinks in a retail model (where the review model had none at all). That was like 6 years ago :E
I'm not picking your unit apart at all, I'm just disproving your statement that the NZXT is of lesser quality. It really quite simply is not. In itself it is a good PSU, nothing wrong with it, but even when you got it it was not top of the line and it just isn't better than the NZXT in terms of build quality. They're about equal (too lazy to check what NZXT's top Hale90 does).
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Apr 2012 08:12 Post subject: |
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Here's a knife, do something with the knife guys...
Anywho, thanks for the help and I'll be recieving my PSU in a couple of days (along with a kickass motherboard).
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Apr 2012 13:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Apr 2012 13:18 Post subject: |
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It wasn't a troll, it was a reference to a jerry springer spoof...
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Apr 2012 13:29 Post subject: |
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that explains it then, i was never a fan of senfield or his humor really.
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Apr 2012 13:37 Post subject: |
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Jerry Springer, not Jerry Seinfeld... 
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Apr 2012 13:42 Post subject: |
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i nearly typod that, i wasn't going to be that cruel though. 
