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TSR69
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It is a bit of a shame that the thread turned into either bashing the French or blaming it on the immigrants.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jun 2011 09:37 Post subject: |
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I agree with your point, what would be discriminating and racist before is now normal. I do not however understand what the thread you linked to has to do with it. Poeple are just venting their Paris experience.
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Mantis2K9
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jun 2011 11:22 Post subject: |
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| iconized wrote: | | It is a bit of a shame that the thread turned into either bashing the French or blaming it on the immigrants. |
How else can it turn out when its the bare faced truth.
you tell me.
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Mantis2K9
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jun 2011 11:23 Post subject: Re: What was racist before, is now a fed up with certain gro |
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| Doh! wrote: | Just read this thread:
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69519
And it gets a certain tone at the end, which I see more and more.
In Denmark our right wing party is now almost a normal party and they get away with saying things alot easier now. I can easily view it from both sides, but what im talking about here, is that it seems like people that would some years ago, be shunned by the "racist card", is now more understood or not picked out.
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Because people are fed up of two things.
1. Mass immigration.
2. Being told by political correct numpties they are racist for even daring to speak up on racial or migration fears, so now people just say " screw it, if were gonna be called racist, might as well be ".
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Rofl_Mao
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jun 2011 13:04 Post subject: |
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I have been thinking about this issue and reached the following conclusion. It's not about racism, it's about the bigger picture. What people want to avoid is
negative generalization towards a certain group.
Whenever this is about to happen, people may cry "racism" while race may not even be an issue. Such as in the muslim case.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jun 2011 13:09 Post subject: |
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| Rofl_Mao wrote: |
negative generalization towards a certain group.
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Because it's so damn easy, here look;
All Dutch are one-eyed pirates who like to wear clogs... |
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Mantis2K9
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jun 2011 14:37 Post subject: |
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| Rofl_Mao wrote: | I have been thinking about this issue and reached the following conclusion. It's not about racism, it's about the bigger picture. What people want to avoid is
negative generalization towards a certain group.
Whenever this is about to happen, people may cry "racism" while race may not even be an issue. Such as in the muslim case. |
I think its very hard to not generalize about certian groups, its wether your mature enough to recognise that not everyone in that political/ethnic or religous group is going to fit stereotyping.
After all stereo types would not exist if people didnt live up to them
For instance, I can't stand Nigerian's, most of them are corrupt, selfish, big mouthed and seem to alway be up to something illegal, however I have one friend who is Nigerian who is as straight as they come and hates other Nigerians, who describe Nigerians as " people who when caught doing some kind of scam, will not sit there and think about the bad things they done, but what they can get up to when they are released ".
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Rofl_Mao
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jun 2011 15:29 Post subject: |
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| Prefetian wrote: | | Rofl_Mao wrote: |
negative generalization towards a certain group.
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Because it's so damn easy, here look;
All Dutch are one-eyed pirates who like to wear clogs... |
If you would say that about Somalis it probably would be racist in some people's eyes.
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Rofl_Mao
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Jun 2011 15:30 Post subject: |
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| Mantis2K9 wrote: | | Rofl_Mao wrote: | I have been thinking about this issue and reached the following conclusion. It's not about racism, it's about the bigger picture. What people want to avoid is
negative generalization towards a certain group.
Whenever this is about to happen, people may cry "racism" while race may not even be an issue. Such as in the muslim case. |
I think its very hard to not generalize about certian groups, its wether your mature enough to recognise that not everyone in that political/ethnic or religous group is going to fit stereotyping.
After all stereo types would not exist if people didnt live up to them
For instance, I can't stand Nigerian's, most of them are corrupt, selfish, big mouthed and seem to alway be up to something illegal, however I have one friend who is Nigerian who is as straight as they come and hates other Nigerians, who describe Nigerians as " people who when caught doing some kind of scam, will not sit there and think about the bad things they done, but what they can get up to when they are released ". |
The e-mail I do get from Nigeria is usually about transferring money to the Western Union Bank
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AnarchoS
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:45 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | I agree with your point, what would be discriminating and racist before is now normal. I do not however understand what the thread you linked to has to do with it. Poeple are just venting their Paris experience. |
If something was racist before IT is still racist now.
People have become racist because of the politicians and media that constantly promote racist views.
Politicians blame all theyr failed policies and incompetance on imigrants and race, Europeans forget that those imigrants do jobs that Europeans don t want, and without them we would be in even greater shit than we are now, but people are mostly sheep and will buy anything that is sold to them over the media.
| Mantis2K9 wrote: |
Because people are fed up of two things.
1. Mass immigration.
2. Being told by political correct numpties they are racist for even daring to speak up on racial or migration fears, so now people just say " screw it, if were gonna be called racist, might as well be ". |
Those remarks are funny, we are all immigrants in Europe. Of course if u have something against immigrants u are racist and u will be called that way, there is no half racist or half not racist, u ether are one or u are not one.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:40 Post subject: |
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| AnarchoS wrote: | | Mister_s wrote: | | I agree with your point, what would be discriminating and racist before is now normal. I do not however understand what the thread you linked to has to do with it. Poeple are just venting their Paris experience. |
If something was racist before IT is still racist now.
People have become racist because of the politicians and media that constantly promote racist views.
Politicians blame all theyr failed policies and incompetance on imigrants and race, Europeans forget that those imigrants do jobs that Europeans don t want, and without them we would be in even greater shit than we are now, but people are mostly sheep and will buy anything that is sold to them over the media.
| Mantis2K9 wrote: |
Because people are fed up of two things.
1. Mass immigration.
2. Being told by political correct numpties they are racist for even daring to speak up on racial or migration fears, so now people just say " screw it, if were gonna be called racist, might as well be ". |
Those remarks are funny, we are all immigrants in Europe. Of course if u have something against immigrants u are racist and u will be called that way, there is no half racist or half not racist, u ether are one or u are not one. |
You are forgetting that our "new friendly neighbours" have a 7x higher crime rate, commit the most violent crimes and have the absolutely most retarded culture on earth.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 13:25 Post subject: |
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I have never really understood the whole concept of screaming racism when people are stating true facts. I mean how can it be racism saying that the majority of violent crimes being committed is by immigrants and more specifically Muslim immigrants? I mean when there is actual statistics that backs this up how can it be racism stating the truth?? I just don't understand it, please enlighten me someone.
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 14:04 Post subject: |
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What's racist and what's not is constantly changing as far as media and society is concerned.
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AnarchoS
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 14:21 Post subject: |
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| trucane wrote: | | I have never really understood the whole concept of screaming racism when people are stating true facts. I mean how can it be racism saying that the majority of violent crimes being committed is by immigrants and more specifically Muslim immigrants? I mean when there is actual statistics that backs this up how can it be racism stating the truth?? I just don't understand it, please enlighten me someone. |
It simply is not true. The most crime is always committed by majority not a minority. Statistics can be shown the way someone with the agenda wants them to be shown. Statistic is never factual, because it can be manipulated. There r so many ways that u can manipulate numbers u just cant imagine how skillful some people are at it.
There r whole universities that teach how to do that (economy).
If more immigrant criminals are incarcerated, that just shows that overall justice system is prejuditial to immigrant crime and doesn t punish non immigrant crime with the same severity.
And what did muslims do to u? Probably nothing. U re just ignorant and pulled in by the sheep crowd.
I am an atheist and have nothing against any religion until they try to force it on me, and guess what christian church was always the most agressive of them all in that aspect.
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zipfero
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 14:42 Post subject: |
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| trucane wrote: | | I have never really understood the whole concept of screaming racism when people are stating true facts. I mean how can it be racism saying that the majority of violent crimes being committed is by immigrants and more specifically Muslim immigrants? I mean when there is actual statistics that backs this up how can it be racism stating the truth?? I just don't understand it, please enlighten me someone. |
Because people who use that kind of statistical data are usually ignorant or actively ignoring all other empirical data about how this came to be. They just see this and equate to "oh they all must be evil people".
Plus several in that french thread are just plain racists as you can see from their other posts on this forum
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 14:45 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | I dont judge by race, but I do judge by religion  |
Are they intellectual inferior? Dirtier? Prone to be unlawful? How do you judge those people? |
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 14:50 Post subject: |
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| AnarchoS wrote: | | If more immigrant criminals are incarcerated, that just shows that overall justice system is prejuditial to immigrant crime and doesn t punish non immigrant crime with the same severity. |
Bullshit.
It's already been shown that there's a big difference between different groups when it comes to prison sentences where immigrants are overrepresented. Recent studies has shown that it comes down to social factors.
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Rofl_Mao
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 15:09 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | I dont judge by race, but I do judge by religion |
I judge by IQ, income and criminal record. The fuck do I care what someone's skin looks like!
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TSR69
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Rofl_Mao
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 15:12 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | AnarchoS wrote: | | If more immigrant criminals are incarcerated, that just shows that overall justice system is prejuditial to immigrant crime and doesn t punish non immigrant crime with the same severity. |
Bullshit.
It's already been shown that there's a big difference between different groups when it comes to prison sentences where immigrants are overrepresented. Recent studies has shown that it comes down to social factors. |
I've been thinking, why is Africa violent and poor? It must be the people's attitude. That explains to me why the crime rate of African immigrants is very high.
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Rofl_Mao
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 15:59 Post subject: |
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| zipfero wrote: | | Rofl_Mao wrote: | | Frant wrote: |
Bullshit.
It's already been shown that there's a big difference between different groups when it comes to prison sentences where immigrants are overrepresented. Recent studies has shown that it comes down to social factors. |
I've been thinking, why is Africa violent and poor? It must be the people's attitude. That explains to me why the crime rate of African immigrants is very high. |
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I would appreciate it if you would share some of your insights 
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TSR69
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 16:09 Post subject: |
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Hmm don't take it too harsh Rofl_Mao but you do generalise a lot.
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