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 Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 21:36 Post subject: Lets pretend (cod) |
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So,lets say you are for 2 years the big shot at Treyarch who has every bit of controll over the next COD.
What would you do to to put out the hate this franchise has gained.
What would you change to make COD deserve the status as best FPS ever,in terms of story,gameplay,multiplayer design
On the same engine,2 years i believe is no time to code another one.
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Voldy
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I'd take it to the Vietnam theater...
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 21:43 Post subject: |
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| Voldy wrote: | | I'd take it to the Vietnam theater... |
BO had vietnam,your fired,next
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 21:44 Post subject: |
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I would brake any legal and moral relations with Activision.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 21:44 Post subject: |
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| Shakabutt wrote: | | BO had vietnam,your fired,next |
No, he's Voldy. 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 21:45 Post subject: |
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Make ARMA2 with COD production values.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 21:46 Post subject: |
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Time travel + Aliens
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 21:49 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Make ARMA2 with COD production values. |
While arma 2 is very realistic and tactical....as a game its no fun,its slow,clunky and the graphics are not very consitent
I dont think cod can work with Arma's gameplay
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 21:51 Post subject: |
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Perhaps you missed "with COD production values"?
But judging by your response, "as a game its no fun,its slow,clunky", you are the exact derp the COD series are aiming for now. I bet you think BO and MW2 are the bestest gamez evah.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 21:57 Post subject: |
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| m3th0d2008 wrote: | PC-Gaming Warfare, where you're fighting on the side of the PC-Gamers against bad Games and "And the mighty awesome super funtime DERP alliance of sheep, lemmings and powercouch hipsters".  |
Ah, so a high fantasy genre then?  |
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 21:59 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | Perhaps you missed "with COD production values"?
But judging by your response, "as a game its no fun,its slow,clunky", you are the exact derp the COD series are aiming for now. I bet you think BO and MW2 are the bestest gamez evah. |
Well maybe not the BEST games ever,but the most fun and addictive shooters ever.
Im just saying what people who hate it so much do (from a development pov) to make right with the people who think the game is "to derp","to unbalanced".
Personally i would reduce the number of perks,leave like it was in cod 4.
Get more customization items,more things to put on your gun...more than one,two attachements.
Upgrades for the insides of the gun,to affect various traits.
Make killstreaks based on points ,like assists and team actions.
Separate kills from points,you get points only by doing assits,captures and team stuff.
Killstreaks you could get only with points.
More weapons etc,a map editor,that would make a difference.
But not a complex thing,something easy to understand and create nice ,fun maps ala gungame maps in CSS
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:01 Post subject: |
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I tried imagining various scenarios of me making CoD better, but in every one of them I end up cancelling the game and killing Bobby Kotick.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:05 Post subject: |
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I thought about some changes Treyarch could do but I removed them all, so this is my answer:
Nothing. Treyarch are not known for innovation and high quality products but for just catering the mainstream  They don't want to create good games, but games that are sellable enough to little kids.
I love FPS but Treyarch does simply not understand what it takes to make a good shooter. Infinity Ward was much better, in all aspects, even if their games got derp and derper. At least they wanted to change directions, but activision said "NO WAI WE WANT OUR MONIEZ!" and fucked them in the butt.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:08 Post subject: |
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| Shakabutt wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | Perhaps you missed "with COD production values"?
But judging by your response, "as a game its no fun,its slow,clunky", you are the exact derp the COD series are aiming for now. I bet you think BO and MW2 are the bestest gamez evah. |
Well maybe not the BEST games ever,but the most fun and addictive shooters ever.
Im just saying what people who hate it so much do (from a development pov) to make right with the people who think the game is "to derp","to unbalanced".
Personally i would reduce the number of perks,leave like it was in cod 4.
Get more customization items,more things to put on your gun...more than one,two attachements.
Upgrades for the insides of the gun,to affect various traits.
Make killstreaks based on points ,like assists and team actions.
Separate kills from points,you get points only by doing assits,captures and team stuff.
Killstreaks you could get only with points.
More weapons etc,a map editor,that would make a difference.
But not a complex thing,something easy to understand and create nice ,fun maps ala gungame maps in CSS |
Ah ok. So you are just concentrating on the MP part. Well... I don't like the CoD multiplayer. I prefer Battlefield, Enemy Territory, Quake 3, CS, Unreal Tournament ... Well basically ALL pre-console multiplayer experiences over the recently released CoD games and it's bad clones. |
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:11 Post subject: |
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I'd realize my team would have to make the ninth iteration in the series so I'd cancel it all to make something which is worth the term "creative" and "somewhat original".
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:13 Post subject: |
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cod will always be remebered for shitty console gameplay ,console derps and of course dlc.
they cant do shit about it
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:18 Post subject: |
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| freiwald wrote: | cod will always be remebered for shitty console gameplay ,console derps and of course dlc.
they cant do shit about it |
Look,you gotta admit that the people who scream "DERP" are a minority,whats worse is the other guys who jump on the band wagon without thinking.
The games are some of the best and refined FPS's in history,they have lots of content,they are smooth,at 60 frames with great detail(not the best but...) .And it is unique to this franchise,all who tried to emulate it failed.
I never understod what was so derp about them,the game has all the traits of a "great game",except for some design flaws in the multi.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:21 Post subject: |
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The last game in this franchise I played, MW1 or MW2, added zilch to the FPS genre. Respawn galore, AI average at best, standard shooting mechanics, a shitload of "cinematic" events etc etc. Sure teh games are fun and have high production values due to a huge budget, but they add zilch to the genre. I can't name a single innovation I saw in Modern Warfare.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:27 Post subject: |
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| Shakabutt wrote: | | freiwald wrote: | cod will always be remebered for shitty console gameplay ,console derps and of course dlc.
they cant do shit about it |
Look,you gotta admit that the people who scream "DERP" are a minority,whats worse is the other guys who jump on the band wagon without thinking.
The games are some of the best and refined FPS's in history,they have lots of content,they are smooth,at 60 frames with great detail(not the best but...) .And it is unique to this franchise,all who tried to emulate it failed.
I never understod what was so derp about them,the game has all the traits of a "great game",except for some design flaws in the multi. |
CoD 4:
+ Good graphics for it's time
+ Some fresh ideas (firefights felt intense... at least for the first missions)
+ Some missions had some replayability, overall game was entertaining
- Didn't like the MP
CoD 5:
- Shitty graphics
- No new ideas
- No replayability
- Didn't even dare to touch the MP
CoD 6:
- Same graphics as 4, just more shit going on (Yeah, let's shove as much shit as possible into the screen! BIGGER = BETTER, right?!!!)
- No new ideas at all
- No replayability
- MP was the same as 4 just with the same MORE = BETTER mentality
CoD 7:
+ Didn't even touch that turd. What I have seen was enough to keep me away from that games.
What all of them share:
- "Cinematic" ingame cutscenes that got cheesier and cheesier with every new release, just like the dialogue and script
- shitty shooting mechanics
- bad AI
- fake EVERYTHING
CoD4 was really entertaining but that time is over. I did not reinstall it after the first playthrough... |
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:30 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | The last game in this franchise I played, MW1 or MW2, added zilch to the FPS genre. Respawn galore, AI average at best, standard shooting mechanics, a shitload of "cinematic" events etc etc. Sure teh games are fun and have high production values due to a huge budget, but they add zilch to the genre. I can't name a single innovation I saw in Modern Warfare. |
Come on now,theres alot of inovation in MW 1 don't lie.
i think your asking something from this franchise that isnt posible.The fps genre has reach its peak in terms of inovation some time ago,but not production value (story,artistic stuff,gfx).
But you wont see inovators like Doom,Quake,CS again.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:35 Post subject: |
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i think Treyarch should drop CoD franchise.. and should make a proper zombie game, bc thats the only thing i have liked about their games.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:37 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: |
CoD 4:
+ Good graphics for it's time
+ Some fresh ideas (firefights felt intense... at least for the first missions)
+ Some missions had some replayability, overall game was entertaining
- Didn't like the MP
CoD 5:
- Shitty graphics
- No new ideas
- No replayability
- Didn't even dare to touch the MP
CoD 6:
- Same graphics as 4, just more shit going on (Yeah, let's shove as much shit as possible into the screen! BIGGER = BETTER, right?!!!)
- No new ideas at all
- No replayability
- MP was the same as 4 just with the same MORE = BETTER mentality
CoD 7:
+ Didn't even touch that turd. What I have seen was enough to keep me away from that games.
What all of them share:
- "Cinematic" ingame cutscenes that got cheesier and cheesier with every new release, just like the dialogue and script
- shitty shooting mechanics
- bad AI
- fake EVERYTHING
CoD4 was really entertaining but that time is over. I did not reinstall it after the first playthrough... |
1. You know CoD 4 and 5 uses the same engine, thus same graphics -.-'
2. Your saying CoD 5 had no new idea's? 2 words: Zombie mode
3. Your saying CoD 5 had no replayability, it had EXACTLY the same way with demo recording as its older brothers.
4. CoD 6 had updated engine, thus better graphics. (dont bullshit that its virtually the same. cuz that it has been since CoD2).
5. Your saying CoD 6 had no new idea's? IW.net (might be a shit idea but for them it worked and payed off, on consoles)
The fact that your started in CoD 4 and not 1 means you dont even know how CoD 4 was the start of it all going downhill.
CoD 1 and 2 are still the better ones, with CoD 1 leading.
Aswell you are saying that they are shitty shooting mechanics, you know that the smooth aim down sight started in CoD 1, and alot of games adopted it. 
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:38 Post subject: |
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| Shakabutt wrote: | | freiwald wrote: | cod will always be remebered for shitty console gameplay ,console derps and of course dlc.
they cant do shit about it |
Look,you gotta admit that the people who scream "DERP" are a minority,whats worse is the other guys who jump on the band wagon without thinking.
The games are some of the best and refined FPS's in history,they have lots of content,they are smooth,at 60 frames with great detail(not the best but...) .And it is unique to this franchise,all who tried to emulate it failed.
I never understod what was so derp about them,the game has all the traits of a "great game",except for some design flaws in the multi. |
Since when is linear shit considered "great game" and by whom exactly? Console tardos?
Here is another clue:
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Ok Shakabutt, now to something totally different. I know, you'll be totally surprised, but mainly CoD 6+7's success (esp financial success) is due to the $200.000.000+ marketing campaigns. (The budget of the games themselves is just a 4th/5th!)
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:42 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | Shakabutt wrote: | | freiwald wrote: | cod will always be remebered for shitty console gameplay ,console derps and of course dlc.
they cant do shit about it |
Look,you gotta admit that the people who scream "DERP" are a minority,whats worse is the other guys who jump on the band wagon without thinking.
The games are some of the best and refined FPS's in history,they have lots of content,they are smooth,at 60 frames with great detail(not the best but...) .And it is unique to this franchise,all who tried to emulate it failed.
I never understod what was so derp about them,the game has all the traits of a "great game",except for some design flaws in the multi. |
CoD 4:
+ Good graphics for it's time
+ Some fresh ideas (firefights felt intense... at least for the first missions)
+ Some missions had some replayability, overall game was entertaining
- Didn't like the MP
CoD 5:
- Shitty graphics
- No new ideas
- No replayability
- Didn't even dare to touch the MP
CoD 6:
- Same graphics as 4, just more shit going on (Yeah, let's shove as much shit as possible into the screen! BIGGER = BETTER, right?!!!)
- No new ideas at all
- No replayability
- MP was the same as 4 just with the same MORE = BETTER mentality
CoD 7:
+ Didn't even touch that turd. What I have seen was enough to keep me away from that games.
What all of them share:
- "Cinematic" ingame cutscenes that got cheesier and cheesier with every new release, just like the dialogue and script
- shitty shooting mechanics
- bad AI
- fake EVERYTHING
CoD4 was really entertaining but that time is over. I did not reinstall it after the first playthrough... |
But its all your opinion man.
Sometimes more of the same is better,why not ?
MW 1 rejuvenated the genre,brought alot of fun stuff,a great formula.You dont see alot of haters for MW 1.
But why the hate for more of the same ?Your asking for inovation in the genre every year like its so easy.
Tell how many fans are heartbroken that Valve doesnt say shit about EP 3 for 4 years now ,when all they want is more of the same.
Yet call of duty delivers to its fan,every year,with a fresh story and the same fun gameplay.
Where is the problem ?
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:49 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Shakabutt wrote: | | freiwald wrote: | cod will always be remebered for shitty console gameplay ,console derps and of course dlc.
they cant do shit about it |
Look,you gotta admit that the people who scream "DERP" are a minority,whats worse is the other guys who jump on the band wagon without thinking.
The games are some of the best and refined FPS's in history,they have lots of content,they are smooth,at 60 frames with great detail(not the best but...) .And it is unique to this franchise,all who tried to emulate it failed.
I never understod what was so derp about them,the game has all the traits of a "great game",except for some design flaws in the multi. |
Since when is linear shit considered "great game" and by whom exactly? Console tardos?
Here is another clue:
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Since the advent of cinematic gameplay ?
You know,when devs wanted to present the story more in a cinematic fashion since they had the means.
In 1993 they had to keep you interested with secret rooms and stuff.
Why is this a bad thing....its not like Half Life lets you go anywhere ....its just that it has better pacing than cod who focuses more on non stop action,pacing is another thing i think treyarch needs.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2011 22:51 Post subject: |
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A steak tastes good-
But serving a hot dog and calling it steak is a totally different thing. And then they just add some spices to the hot dog and sell it every year with a higher price tag.
They shove so much crap into the series... it isn't nice any more... And maybe I was just lucky to NOT listen to any of the dialogue in MW1, because it didn't bug me. But each and every one after that had such horrible script and dialogue..
It feels more like a parody but then you realize, fuck, they are serious with all the shit they talk. And then you see 12 year old kids going all "Whoaaaa!"..
The more I think about this matter, the sadder I become when I see new Battlefield 3 footage. EA is not in a very healthy position. And they are ready to invest millions in the marketing of battlefield 3, just so that it can beat the COD series. Basically EA's future is bound to the success of the BF3. What do you think the guys at the top of EA will do regarding BF3? They will look at what they think made cod a best seller and will try to force this stuff into BF3.
In the trailers we already saw quite some predefined ingame "cinematics" and CoD'esque shootouts ... 
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