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Damn none of you got any views or anything  im stunned...
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 17:04 Post subject: |
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DVI->HDMI works fine, just doesn't give you sound through that cable. So you'd have to do DVI->HDMI + some audio cable (probably 3.5 to 3.5?) for your PC, and just connect the XBOX through HDMI.
Then you can switch between the two on the monitor itself, job done 
Warning though, speakers in monitors suck balls 
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 17:18 Post subject: |
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| pwerelds wrote: | DVI->HDMI works fine, just doesn't give you sound through that cable. So you'd have to do DVI->HDMI + some audio cable (probably 3.5 to 3.5?) for your PC, and just connect the XBOX through HDMI.
Then you can switch between the two on the monitor itself, job done
Warning though, speakers in monitors suck balls |
Hi psu man  hehe.,
thanks for reply, i see yeah it has x2 hdmi so switching on the monitor be ace, ill be in more gaming heaven then, i wasnt sure of this newish fandangled LED shit though, I mean it has LCD backlighting whats so different here with LED today?
Wouldnt LED be more prone to loosing pixels I would of though.. Or is it not that type of LED placement << DeRRrrP..
audio from monitors I am aware always suck balls though for sure, but what are my options with sound for the xbox360 then through it? Are there alternatives for an outside sound plugged into xbox360? Or I am guessing must be another way,
I have no ideas with hdmi never used it so not sure anything could be done with the xbox's hdmi cable..
cheers.. |
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 18:04 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 18:53 Post subject: |
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im confused lol, i cant see how that is wired up.
hdmi on monitor to hdmi say on 360- so where the hell does the phone plug tool goto,,, your pc soundcard? im at a loss there im so not used to fucking around with entertainment wiring, only the pc stuff for audio..
I can see how the vga out of monitor to the hdmi/vga lead to pc works cause you wont need the audio from the monitor as ull be using ur soundcard on pc anyhow.. so enlighten me how the audio with both those items are plugged in so i dont have to use shitty monitor audio, and not keep plugging unplugging audio leads juat cause ive switched from pc to xbox use.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 18:59 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | why vga 
if your 360 has hdmi get this, hdmi pisses over vga big time
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Not on the 360 it doesn't. I've got both the VGA and HDMI cables, the quality is identical. Provide proof to back up your comment that, on the 360, HDMI quality is better than VGA.
| moosenoodles wrote: | im confused lol, i cant see how that is wired up.
hdmi on monitor to hdmi say on 360- so where the hell does the phone plug tool goto,,, your pc soundcard? im at a loss there im so not used to fucking around with entertainment wiring, only the pc stuff for audio..
I can see how the vga out of monitor to the hdmi/vga lead to pc works cause you wont need the audio from the monitor as ull be using ur soundcard on pc anyhow.. so enlighten me how the audio with both those items are plugged in so i dont have to use shitty monitor audio, and not keep plugging unplugging audio leads juat cause ive switched from pc to xbox use. |
Yes, the phono plugs connect to either your stero, or surround, system -- or directly to your PC card via a Phono>3.5MM plug like I showed. I have my 360 running into LineIN on my PC, which feeds the audio to my SB Arena headset. You can also get the HDMI cable Morti was talking about, since that has two phono plugs for audio too.
Don't run the audio through your monitor 
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 19:28 Post subject: |
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Get a decent 2.1 soundset if you don't have one already, just make sure that it takes more than 1 audio source. I'm not sure on what the 360 has in terms of output options (I don't do derpbox and derpstation ), but you should be able to use VGA/HDMI for the image, and then still use the audio outputs and route that to your speaker set or surround system.
There should be no real quality difference between VGA and HDMI per se. The only big advantage HDMI has is that the XBOX can more or less literally "ask" the monitor what it supports: whether it can handle HDCP, what resolution/refresh rate it can do, etcetera. It's not like Component input vs VGA, where component is just fucking terrible
To give you an example of my setup downstairs:
- 42" LED TV with a million + 1 input options
- Surround set that has Optical+Coaxial+plain old analog inputs
- HTPC that has HDMI + Optical out
HTPC hooked up through HDMI to the TV, and through an optical cable to the surround system. In Windows the output is set to S/PDIF so that all audio goes to the surround set. I occasionally hook up my laptop to this setup as well, with an HDMI cable to the TV and a simple Stereo->Mono cable to the surround set. All I gotta do then is switch the TV to the other HDMI channel, set the surround set to Analog-In instead of Digital-In and job done.
TV = your monitor, HTPC = XBOX, laptop = your PC
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 19:30 Post subject: |
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hmm yeah just looked its a xbox arcade ill be nabbing, i looked up its numbers on the dashboard and its one that can be tagged apparently it seems.. Ill have a 20" dell a 22" samsung and a 24" acer then for pc and xbox hmm..
i dont have more than two slots on card so i goto decide what gets the 24" screen now.. and regarding the audio, i only have a creative 5.1 setup here for pc for speakers wtih a xfi card.. I guess ill be plugging it into the linein on the card then
weee cant wait i like new kit just as well my desk is big enough for 3 screens now.
thanks for all your input now i got see whats most easier to get lead wise but that all rests on what screen ill switch for use on xbox..
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 19:46 Post subject: |
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[quote="pwerelds"]Get a decent 2.1 soundset if you don't have one already, just make sure that it takes more than 1 audio source. I'm not sure on what the 360 has in terms of output options (I don't do derpbox and derpstation ), but you should be able to use VGA/HDMI for the image, and then still use the audio outputs and route that to your speaker set or surround system.
There should be no real quality difference between VGA and HDMI per se. The only big advantage HDMI has is that the XBOX can more or less literally "ask" the monitor what it supports: whether it can handle HDCP, what resolution/refresh rate it can do, etcetera. It's not like Component input vs VGA, where component is just fucking terrible
To give you an example of my setup downstairs:
- 42" LED TV with a million + 1 input options
- Surround set that has Optical+Coaxial+plain old analog inputs
- HTPC that has HDMI + Optical out
HTPC hooked up through HDMI to the TV, and through an optical cable to the surround system. In Windows the output is set to S/PDIF so that all audio goes to the surround set. I occasionally hook up my laptop to this setup as well, with an HDMI cable to the TV and a simple Stereo->Mono cable to the surround set. All I gotta do then is switch the TV to the other HDMI channel, set the surround set to Analog-In instead of Digital-In and job done.
TV = your monitor, HTPC = XBOX, laptop = your PC [/quote
food for thought lol's
I guess it will be ok whatever lead I use.. I just thought that hdmi was the way to go if you had a hdmi monitor input option.. but as u say and sabin its not really a big diff, as long as I guess you set the resolution and options properly it should be all fine..
Id like to see if there are some comparisons though of a vga xbox image and hdmi.. as its one of them arguments/discussion I think that is like ping pong game
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 19:49 Post subject: |
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Good luck finding comparisons. I spent a FUCKTON of time searching, no TRAWLING the internet to find proper comparisons made, but there weren't any. Just endless argument after argument about how HDMI is better because it's digital and VGA is analogue so therefore the 360 *must* look better over HDMI than VGA.
I've got my own cables, both VGA and HDMI. There's no discernible difference in visual quality when using either cable.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 19:51 Post subject: |
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so i guess its like my samsung where if u are running like dvi which is sim anyhow as its digital like hdmi, you get more options or use of in the screens menu's?
been long time since i used vga now
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 19:54 Post subject: |
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I'm sure that there ARE noticeable differences..if you're sitting close enough to lick your bloody screen that is
Honestly, the main reason (for me) to use DVI/HDMI is that devices that support it just match the highest possible resolution from either side. I bought my bro and sister in law an AC Ryan PlayOn Mini or w/e it's called, just hooked it up through HDMI and it instantly selected the correct resolution (which is 720p for their TV, the thing itself can do 1080p). On that note, can the 360 do 1080p output (like I said, I know jackshit about it)? If so, I'd at least make sure that whatever monitor you hook it up to can do that
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 19:55 Post subject: |
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Yeah, the 360 can output at 1080p. Very few games are 1080 though, most are 720p.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 20:00 Post subject: |
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is it normal for the refresh hz rate to lower the higher in screen sizes u get, only thing i noticed that stands out diff to what i use now is it states if its right that its 1920x1080 and 50hz// sabin whats ur hz rate as urs is that size also
edit: hmm it now says on other places 60hz, but in spec says "video 50hz"
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 20:08 Post subject: |
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ah.. right, awesome.. I guess I will have to start watching good quality 1080HD films now and that means more leeching... weeeeeee!!
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 20:26 Post subject: |
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games like Saints Row look very crappy with vga cable, sorry don't have hd cam to make some vids
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 20:36 Post subject: |
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well to each his own, if i have xtra hdmi input i'd rather use it than vga, cable is slimmer as well, same price
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 20:50 Post subject: |
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Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know Leo can on this point), but if I'm not mistaken component is typically a compressed form of RGB, whereas VGA is just uncompressed (along with separate hsync/vsync signals, which is combined for component as well I think), so component can't be sharper really. At the very least the two have equal bandwidth, they're both analog and in both cases there's image processing needed on either side. In this case they'll be equal in quality, with the big advantage being that VGA is usually easier to work with in my experience.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 20:53 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 21:09 Post subject: |
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this is all good with lcd as the main screen format but guys this is LED right? with lcd backlighting..
So is there difference maybe here with that said?
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 21:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 21:18 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | | led lcd same shit really |
hmm ok,, i have no idea lol. ill have to read up on it later when i get few mins.. |
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Nov 2010 21:19 Post subject: |
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Well in your case your TV just sucks balls and doesn't handle the VGA input correctly.
Just quickly looked it up again: component has 3 signals. One is the Luma (brightness)+Sync signal; the other 2 are respectively the difference between Luma and red or blue. There is no signal for green, that has to be derived from the other ones. From these 3 wires, a whole bucket load of information has to be decoded, on top of the analog-digital conversion that's needed for a modern monitor or TV. None of that bollocks with VGA, as the sync signals and colours are all separated: stripping away the useless wires in VGA leaves 5 important ones: RGB + Hsync + Vsync.
So there. Unless you have a really crappyass TV, VGA should look slightly better; not to mention the fact that if it's coming from a PC, it's usually much easier to get the settings straight. The only "advantage" component has is that colours often look more lively, but that's because the TV incorrectly compensates for the lack of information.
To help moose out though: DVI or HDMI should be your primary choice for anything. Even though VGA can handle the same shit, the big advantage with these is that you're not bound to how good your monitor is, since all the information is digital. With VGA/Component you can get noise from bad connectors, bad cables, bad DACs in the TV or source device, etcetera. With DVI/HDMI you can't: the data is either there, or it's not. Period.
And about DVI versus HDMI: no difference apart from the audio. You can directly map a DVI connector's wires to HDMI wires, which is why DVI<>HDMI cables are so easy and cheap to get.
Oh, and about the LED: the display itself is more or less the same as before, it's just that the lighting is now done through LEDs. Typically, colours look a bit better and more lively, the device consumes less power and it's a lot thinner
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