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 Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 00:49 Post subject: Epic imagines Xbox 3 as an iPad-like tablet + Kinect |
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inb4 why you post it here instead of consoles' section. Because the iPad is a computer and because he specifically says that the device he has in mind can be used as a computer whenever you want. Read bellow.
http://www.develop-online.net/news/36015/Epic-boss-sees-next-gen-consoles-going-mobile
| Quote: | “Imagine a future Xbox 360 that is actually a tablet you carry around,” said Mark Rein in a new interview with Develop.
“It will have more power than 360 does today, with technology like Kinect built right in.
“Imagine walking into a bar with some friends, propping it up on the table and playing games like Dance Central or Kinect Adventures anywhere you go. Then when you get home that same device will use technology like AirPlay or wireless HDMI to connect to your big screen, you’ll pick up a wireless controller, or use your phone as controller to play games like Gears of War.” |
| Quote: | “A lot of gaming is going mobile and I believe that console-style gaming is going there as well,” Rein said.
“It feels like there’s a great opportunity for game consoles to cease to be something you plug into the wall and rather become something you take with you. Of course it will be more than just your game console; you can have your productivity apps, your documents, and your media collections on it as well.” |
| Quote: | “Today the companies making the hardware going inside phones know that games are important – they are incorporating processors that suit games and are as powerful as a PC or console. We’re turning a corner with GPUs and CPUs that support the intensive gameplay functions we need.
“So we’re going to see really powerful smaller machines emerge – they will be more powerful than a 360. To Epic that’s where our interest lies. We’re not interested in simple 2D games or games for the original iPhone or 3G; we want to bring high-quality, high-fidelity triple-A games to mobile. Epic Citadel woke a lot of people up – they realised it’s real and can be done.” |
Let's be honest now.. netbooks in the past few years and now tablets have become extremely popular and most "casual" (read: a HUGE percentage of) computer users will and do prefer them over a traditional computer.
Furthermore for all intents and purposes Apple now does have a competing console. I imagine iOS games are the #1 kind of apps that are bought from the app store, and, okay, perhaps the iPhone and iPod should be classified as handhelds, but I believe the iPad is more of a traditional console.
So in a sense Apple has released the first modern device that is both a computer (of sorts) and a console (of sorts) and it's extremely popular as both!
Now, everyone that reads tech-blogs must have noticed that many hardware companies are trying to replicate the success of the iPad.. so the question is will MS, Sony and Nintendo try to do the same? And if they do, do you see tablets effectively replacing both computers and consoles as the de facto gaming machines?
This isn't a thread to discuss if you'd like or hate this to happen, but instead to discuss if you think this is something that could indeed happen, as Mark Rein says, in the, let's say, next 10 years.
I say it's not impossible; traditional PCs are already losing in terms of popularity (not raw numbers) compared to netbooks and tablets and I can see Microsoft going that route to compete with the 3DS and NGP handhelds and the iPad-like tablets at the same time. In fact I believe it would be very stupid of them to sit there and watch the world slowly getting used to iOS-powered devices instead of computers running Windows as it was the case for all those years. And perhaps it's too soon for their traditional console, the Xbox 3 to go that way, but I can definitely see them introducing the "Xpad", a tablet computer with a big emphasis on gaming, powered by Xbox LIVE, Kinect-like tech etc.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 00:52 Post subject: |
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This honestly wouldn't surprise me, not given the way "handheld" technology is growing. I mean, good Christ... have you SEEN the visuals and performance of machines like the upcoming NGP? the iPad2? the 3DS? That's a scary amount of power for supposed portable gaming. From what we've seen so far, the NGP looks like it could rival current-gen consoles ... and it's a PORTABLE.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 00:59 Post subject: |
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I have and it's certainly very impressive what companies are able to do this early with the hardware. I believe we will be blown away particularly with the NGP, that has very powerful hardware and its games will have large enough budgets (because they aren't going to be sold as cheap 1-5$ games as most iOS game are) to show what its capable of.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 01:05 Post subject: Re: Epic imagines Xbox 3 as an iPad-like tablet + Kinect |
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Why are you pos... oh. 
| consolitis wrote: | | Quote: | “Imagine a future Xbox 360 that is actually a tablet you carry around,” said Mark Rein in a new interview with Develop.
“It will have more power than 360 does today, with technology like Kinect built right in.
“Imagine walking into a bar with some friends, propping it up on the table and playing games like Dance Central or Kinect Adventures anywhere you go. Then when you get home that same device will use technology like AirPlay or wireless HDMI to connect to your big screen, you’ll pick up a wireless controller, or use your phone as controller to play games like Gears of War.” |
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Okay, I've imagined it.
It would look stupid. Incredibly stupid.
Oh, and regarding the NGP versus the current consoles:
| Quote: | | Well, it's not going to run at 2GHz because the battery would last five minutes," he said. "And it would probably set fire to your pants." |
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-02-ngp-chips-wont-rival-ps3-performance
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 01:06 Post subject: |
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Yes, great idea that will surely get you laid, bringing xbox 720 into a bar and waiving your arms like a chipmunk, nice, sweet!
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 01:09 Post subject: |
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Pretty ridiculous idea, overall.
And these things will never be able to run anything but customized 'triple A' games, since they'll never have the processing power of a same-generation PC or console because of heat, power and size issues.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 01:11 Post subject: |
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has handheld gaming ever really been that popular apart from teh old gameboy days? most handheld consoles have been a flop and most people wont remember half of them.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 01:14 Post subject: |
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| snoop1050 wrote: | | has handheld gaming ever really been that popular apart from teh old gameboy days? most handheld consoles have been a flop and most people wont remember half of them. |
Handhelds perhaps not, but "everyone" loves the iPad 
Which is what Mark Rein says, when you are in your living room you are going to (wireless-ly) plug it into your TV, when you are anywhere else/on the go, it's a handheld/computer.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 01:16 Post subject: |
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| Raap wrote: | Pretty ridiculous idea, overall.
And these things will never be able to run anything but customized 'triple A' games, since they'll never have the processing power of a same-generation PC or console because of heat, power and size issues. |
But the most successful console of this generation is the Wii. A traditional console or PC would always be more powerful compared to a tablet, but would it be more popular and successful?
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 01:39 Post subject: |
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Some numbers:
In the first 8 months after its release, there were ~15 million iPads sold.
Steam has about 30 million active customers after idk how many years.
PS3 and Xbox 360 have each sold ~50 million units after 5-6 years.
You can't ignore a device that sold 15 million units in less than a year! (Plus there are 100 million iPhones sold!) Software companies won't (and don't) ignore it, hardware companies won't (and don't) ignore it.
I can't imagine that traditional console companies are not feeling threatened by it. Especially Microsoft that risks losing customers from both the "computer" and "console" markets if they don't do something about it.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 01:48 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | Some numbers:
In the first 8 months after its release, there were ~15 million iPads sold.
Steam has about 30 million active customers after idk how many years.
PS3 and Xbox 360 have each sold ~50 million units after 5-6 years.
You can't ignore a device that sold 15 million units in less than a year! (Plus there are 100 million iPhones sold!) Software companies won't (and don't) ignore it, hardware companies won't (and don't) ignore it.
I can't imagine that traditional console companies are not feeling threatened by it. Especially Microsoft that risks losing customers from both the "computer" and "console" markets if they don't do something about it. |
Yeah, but steam ( which BTW exists since 2004, I think ) and the current gen consoles are focused on gaming, even if microsoft and sony are trying to convince people otherwise.
The iPad is not.
Sony plans to tackle the NGP against the ipad, but microsoft... yeah, they really need to come up with something.
Zune 2?
Zune next gen? NGZ? 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 01:50 Post subject: Re: Epic imagines Xbox 3 as an iPad-like tablet + Kinect |
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Might it happen? Technology is making giant leaps forward, so why not. I think it's quite possible.
Would I like it?
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| consolitis wrote: | | “Imagine walking into a bar with some friends, propping it up on the table and playing games like Dance Central or Kinect Adventures anywhere you go. Then when you get home that same device will use technology like AirPlay or wireless HDMI to connect to your big screen, you’ll pick up a wireless controller, or use your phone as controller to play games like Gears of War.” |
Hell no.
Hopefully in this futuristic scenario I'll still have my trusty laptop + USB mouse that will allow me to walk in that hypothetical bar and play the whole GoG catalogue while my friends will enjoy the gorgeous wonders of the Next-Nextgen technology in the form of Dance Central 3D v2015.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 01:54 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | consolitis wrote: | Some numbers:
In the first 8 months after its release, there were ~15 million iPads sold.
Steam has about 30 million active customers after idk how many years.
PS3 and Xbox 360 have each sold ~50 million units after 5-6 years.
You can't ignore a device that sold 15 million units in less than a year! (Plus there are 100 million iPhones sold!) Software companies won't (and don't) ignore it, hardware companies won't (and don't) ignore it.
I can't imagine that traditional console companies are not feeling threatened by it. Especially Microsoft that risks losing customers from both the "computer" and "console" markets if they don't do something about it. |
Yeah, but steam ( which BTW exists since 2004, I think ) and the current gen consoles are 100% for gaming.
The iPad is not. |
But Mark Rein said the hypothetical next Xbox wouldn't be strictly a console either.
| Quote: | | "Of course it will be more than just your game console; you can have your productivity apps, your documents, and your media collections on it as well.” |
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 02:02 Post subject: |
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Still, I think that Rein might be going a bit over the top, especially from that walk-into-the-bar-and-play stuff.
The hardware will no doubt allow that, but I think that gaming has a long way to go before it is accepted like that.
IMO a test is in order.
So let's wait until Epic releases one of their "great" games on the ipad and see how it goes.
Let's see how the casual users respond to that.
And are there any numbers on these casual gamers ( portable vs normal )?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Pssst... Infinity Blade says HI! and would like to report that it sold/is selling exceptionally well for a "portable" game  |
... Infinity Blade was an epic game?
Anyway, Rein and his buddies can do whatever they want with their ipads and kinects.
I'll probably still be gaming indoors...
Busy with some kind of virtual reality technology...hubba hubba. 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 02:13 Post subject: |
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Aye, it was co-developed by Chair and EPIC. I do get your point though.... I think Rein is going a little OTT with his vision of the gaming future. I don't doubt for one second that portable gaming hardware is going to leap forward immensely, but not to the level of social interaction like he believes -- nor do I think Microsoft are going to make their next Xbox a "tablet" portable machine.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 02:14 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | Anyway, Rein and his buddies can do whatever they want with their ipads and kinects.
I'll probably be still gaming indoors...
busy with my virtual reality environment...hubba hubba. |
3D Gay Villa VR-edition?  |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 02:22 Post subject: |
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| ixigia wrote: | | 3D Gay Villa VR-edition? |
Complete with the modules:
ixigia v2.1
inatan v2.0
human_steel v3.0
sabin v3.1
etc
Basicly, the nfohump edition.
But yeah, assuming that something like VR will be available by then I think that casual gamers might give that a shot instead.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| tonizito wrote: | | ixigia wrote: | | 3D Gay Villa VR-edition? |
Complete with the modules:
ixigia v2.1
inatan v2.0
human_steel v3.0
sabin v3.1
etc
Basicly, the nfohump edition. |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 02:39 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | sabin1981 wrote: | | Pssst... Infinity Blade says HI! and would like to report that it sold/is selling exceptionally well for a "portable" game |
... Infinity Blade was an epic game? |
Chair are owned by Epic. Infinity Blade has sold better than their critically acclaimed XBLA title, Shadow Complex.
http://www.industrygamers.com/news/infinity-blade-hugely-successful-says-epics-rein/
| Quote: | Epic Games has been ‘hugely successful’ with the iOS title Infinity Blade. Epic vice president Mark Rein says that Infinity Blade has greatly surpassed Shadow Complex in terms of sales figures.
While Rein did not specifically state sales figures or number of downloads for Infinity Blade, the figures help give a perspective. Infinity Blade is offered at $5.99 while Shadow Complex goes for $15. If Infinity Blade has surpassed Shadow Complex, then at the very least the title has surpassed the 545K units displayed on Shadow Complex’s leaderboards. |
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 02:46 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | I'm still hoping (probably against hope ) for a Shadow Complex sequel .. or, hell, even an iOS port! It would be awesome playing SC on the move =) |
I assume you haven't read this? http://nexus404.com/Blog/2011/03/12/chair-entertainment-says-there-will-be-a-shadow-complex-2-chair-says-shadow-complex-2-isnt-a-question-of-if-its-a-question-of-when/
| Quote: | | “I’ll put it this way,” Chair creative director Donald Mustard said to Eurogamer. “More Shadow Complex isn’t a question of if, it’s a question of when. Shadow Complex is our baby and we love it dearly and, y’know, we’re working on some cool stuff [in general]. That’s all I can say.” |
| Quote: | | Despite Infinity Blade’s success, Mustard says that Shadow Complex 2 probably isn’t going to come to the iPhone. “Shadow Complex is designed for a controller,” he said. “I’m not a fan of trying to shoehorn console controls onto touch screens.” |
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 09:33 Post subject: |
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Gosh, if gaming's future is heading the way of iPads and other Apple status symbols, that can never be good. Yes, I know, I hate Apple with a passion, but that's what you get for building a cult - the first tech cult to have been created, with zealots and all.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 10:00 Post subject: |
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Okay I've read it, he makes some good points and is basically stating the obvious. Tablets with processing power and motion detectors? Duh! Tablets which are more powerful than an Xbox360? Well much more duh since it's a pretty old machine.
As for the question in the OP, I can't even imagine tablets replacing PCs and consoles for gaming. They can be an addition, but there are too many limitations to fully replace other platforms (screenzise, control, easy of use etc.).
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 10:35 Post subject: |
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CliffyB in bulletstorm video "so i made game where you can shoot man´s asshole"
If this derpbox will be like Ipad, CliffyB can touch man assholes in bulletstorm 2.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Mar 2011 13:11 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | | Gosh, if gaming's future is heading the way of iPads and other Apple status symbols, that can never be good. Yes, I know, I hate Apple with a passion, but that's what you get for building a cult - the first tech cult to have been created, with zealots and all. |
it wont be , just some crappy gimmic anything that small will have piss poor battery life and the gpu wont even be cable of 720p
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) to do right now. The console would be responsible for basically running the game and then sending it wirelessly to the tablet. Of course you could still play the console with a gamepad and tv like usual, but the option for the tablet would be there as well, and some genres like RTS would work much better on such an interface.
