Not trolling - but I concider Anarchists/communists to be scum. <end of discussion>
I don't consider anyone to be scum, expect scum and religious people
Anyway,Communism is a failed ideology because it relies on the state, saying that Anarchy and Communism is the same is as absurd as stating that Democracy and Fascism are the same..
Anarchy stands for organization of society without any form of coercive institution such as the government.
Communism stands for absolute centralization of society, they are pratically opposites of each other!
And yes, I'm an Anarcho Syndicalist, so in your eyes I should be scum!
I think you just answered your own question as to why any extreme governmental ideal will never work outside of small groups.
The thing is, government does not exist in a anarchic or libertarian system
When you say extreme governmental system you are projecting the idea of absolute government control which is what Communism and Fascism are!
The smaller the power by the government the better society works, so as purely logical conclusion, no government equals the best solution for society!
Anarchism is only as extreme as Atheism is, in the sense that they both actively expose the ridicule and irrationality of both Government and Religion.
Anarchism stands for organization (much in the sense of what we have today) without coercive control such as the government.
The government regulates through force.
And all form of force, coercion and oppression is fundamentally immoral.
Also, nobody absolutely agrees with the decisions made by governments in the name of all of us.
Minorites are always outspoken!
Therefore the only rational system is one where there exist no forcefully impositions on society!
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I think you just answered your own question as to why any extreme governmental ideal will never work outside of small groups.
The thing is, government does not exist in a anarchic or libertarian system
When you say extreme governmental system you are projecting the idea of absolute government control which is what Communism and Fascism is!
The smaller the power by the government the better society works, so as purely logical conclusion, no government equals the best solution for society!
You are truly brainwashed kid. If you honestly beleive that in a world with no government, that there wouldn't be smaller groups of people that take advantage of everyone anyways; You need to go get a job and start visiting reality. I'd rather have a system where everyone votes, and you get a middle-end bargain on what you want, instead of a system where it's fuck all.
I think you just answered your own question as to why any extreme governmental ideal will never work outside of small groups.
The thing is, government does not exist in a anarchic or libertarian system
When you say extreme governmental system you are projecting the idea of absolute government control which is what Communism and Fascism is!
The smaller the power by the government the better society works, so as purely logical conclusion, no government equals the best solution for society!
You are truly brainwashed kid. If you honestly beleive that in a world with no government, that there wouldn't be smaller groups of people that take advantage of everyone anyways; You need to go get a job and start visiting reality. I'd rather have a system where everyone votes, and you get a middle-end bargain on what you want, instead of a system where it's fuck all.
First, I'm not a kid, I have 2 of my own.
Secondly I already know where you stand politically, you believe that everything is to be regulated and controlled, and no discussion exist when you start it by saying others are brainwashed, when in fact, you were the one brainwashed into believing that "Government is good..."
In order to avoid the possibility of being small groups of people taking advantage of small groups of people.
You say that the greater good is smaller groups of people with more power taking advantage of large groups of people.
And just so you know, there are several theoretical models to prevent almost to a degree of absolute certainty, hierarchic power to ever appear on society again.
I don't consider anyone to be scum, expect scum and religious people
Anyway,Communism is a failed ideology because it relies on the state, saying that Anarchy and Communism is the same is as absurd as stating that Democracy and Fascism are the same..
I never claimed communism and anarchism to be the same thing. No idea where you got that from. And yeah, I forgot to add religious nutcases.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
The thing is, government does not exist in a anarchic or libertarian system
When you say extreme governmental system you are projecting the idea of absolute government control which is what Communism and Fascism is!
The smaller the power by the government the better society works, so as purely logical conclusion, no government equals the best solution for society!
You are truly brainwashed kid. If you honestly beleive that in a world with no government, that there wouldn't be smaller groups of people that take advantage of everyone anyways; You need to go get a job and start visiting reality. I'd rather have a system where everyone votes, and you get a middle-end bargain on what you want, instead of a system where it's fuck all.
First, I'm not a kid, I have 2 of my own.
Secondly I already know where you stand politically, you believe that everything is to be regulated and controlled, and no discussion exist when you start it by saying others are brainwashed, when in fact, you were the one brainwashed into believing that "Government is good..."
You have absolutely no concept of what my political views are. You only assume where I stand based on the fact that i'm in the military. I love how you casually forget all the arguments i've had with you, in specific in the past, where it was quite obvious that I tend to be on the side of de-regulation.
However, when you de-regulate to the point where we basically go back to the same horseshit that people had to deal with during the industrial revolution - Thats when things really fucking suck.
sometimes even i feel like an anarchist. i feel disgusted and betrayed by modern laws and modern ways of detenting the power by the ones who govern us.
they feel like Gods, they send the "everyone is equal before the law" to the cannister and many ppl are dumbass that like that way.
they charge us with depraved taxes and do nothing for the less favored ones. instead, they feed their own greed by celebrating MM contracts with their friends.
i dislike this very much, i dislike the policys and i dislike the rules. i have desobey many of them in the last 2 years and i feel happy with it.
does that convert me in an anarchist or sort of?
anarchist are not scum. anarchist that dress like womens and live under the bridge and fuck themselves and others are scum.
You are truly brainwashed kid. If you honestly beleive that in a world with no government, that there wouldn't be smaller groups of people that take advantage of everyone anyways; You need to go get a job and start visiting reality. I'd rather have a system where everyone votes, and you get a middle-end bargain on what you want, instead of a system where it's fuck all.
First, I'm not a kid, I have 2 of my own.
Secondly I already know where you stand politically, you believe that everything is to be regulated and controlled, and no discussion exist when you start it by saying others are brainwashed, when in fact, you were the one brainwashed into believing that "Government is good..."
You have absolutely no concept of what my political views are. You only assume where I stand based on the fact that i'm in the military. I love how you casually forget all the arguments i've had with you, in specific in the past, where it was quite obvious that I tend to be on the side of de-regulation.
However, when you de-regulate to the point where we basically go back to the same horseshit that people had to deal with during the industrial revolution - Thats when things really fucking suck.
Yes, the mere fact that you support the military is a big issue!
But correct me if I'm wrong, didn't we had a discussion roughly two months ago about the legalization of drugs and you were strongly opposed to it? (I might be confused about where you stand concerning this issue)
You insult people for their ways and "dont want discuss" ? Go die in a fucking lake of puke you cf.
I've insulted none. Im just saying what I think of them.
It's not them when you have one right here, and he just so happens to be a member of this forum for over 7 years!
I would very much like to know, why specifically, you see "me" as scum?
Not so sure why you belive that you being here for 7 years has anything to do with it.
I concider anarchists to be scum as I belive in law and order. I want more and tougher cops in the streets. And its still "THEM" even if your one.
I belive that the state is important for us and then arent doing the harm some people tend to imagine that they do. I'm sure you can find some kind of the hundeds of different anarchist beliefs to be something I'd agree on. But The "classic" anarchist is something I (as I said) belive is scum.
However, instead of starting argues where people start copy/paste from wikiepedia I'd rather just stay at saying that I concider them to be scum. Not saying so to start a discussion. I accept your views on it and expect you to do the same.
Oh, and I do support military too.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
sometimes even i feel like an anarchist. i feel disgusted and betrayed by modern laws and modern ways of detenting the power by the ones who govern us.
they feel like Gods, they send the "everyone is equal before the law" to the cannister and many ppl are dumbass that like that way.
they charge us with depraved taxes and do nothing for the less favored ones. instead, they feed their own greed by celebrating MM contracts with their friends.
i dislike this very much, i dislike the policys and i dislike the rules. i have desobey many of them in the last 2 years and i feel happy with it.
does that convert me in an anarchist or sort of?
anarchist are not scum. anarchist that dress like womens and live under the bridge and fuck themselves and others are scum.
Perhaps you should take a political quiz to know where you stand!
An Anarchist is by definition someone who acknowledges that Government is fundamentally immoral and we need to organize society without centralized power!
From what you say, you seem to support several Anarchic or Libertarian values.
But I must admit that this partisan song is very good/catchy. However, not 100% sure what political view it is apart from the fact that its against nazi/facism.
edit: but i think its communism/marxism...could be wrong though. Anyway, enjoy the song.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
I've insulted none. Im just saying what I think of them.
It's not them when you have one right here, and he just so happens to be a member of this forum for over 7 years!
I would very much like to know, why specifically, you see "me" as scum?
Not so sure why you belive that you being here for 7 years has anything to do with it.
I concider anarchists to be scum as I belive in law and order. I want more and tougher cops in the streets. And its still "THEM" even if your one.
I belive that the state is important for us and then arent doing the harm some people tend to imagine that they do. I'm sure you can find some kind of the hundeds of different anarchist beliefs to be something I'd agree on. But The "classic" anarchist is something I (as I said) belive is scum.
However, instead of starting argues where people start copy/paste from wikiepedia I'd rather just stay at saying that I concider them to be scum. Not saying so to start a discussion. I accept your views on it and expect you to do the same.
Oh, and I do support military too.
Oh, but I support law and order also, I just don't support force!
Law is a set of rules for which society abides to!
Order is organization!
You can have forcefully imposed law and order (Government)
And morally accepted law and order (Anarchy)
Violence only generates more violence, this is why when you demand for (meaner cops), like you see in the U.S. you will see a rise of criminality.
And when you have softer cops like certain places in Europe, the criminality is extremely low!
Criminality is mostly a response to coercion and oppression.
And there are some things you just won't be able to stop, passionate crimes will always happen, either in an Anarchy or in a Democracy, same as Serial Murders and so forth.
Those things are not related to the amount of control you have imposed upon your society, they merely happen out of rage or human irrationality, you cannot prevent them!
What you can prevent is criminality of social class, which happens as a byproduct of coercion and oppression!
And the creation of more force will only lead to more criminality, you can make Brazil as an excellent case study on this
Now i think the biggest issue is, that, what a coincidence, your government "insert any" labels anarchists , punks, whatever, as "aggressive, dangerous, drug addicted, violent, vandalistic" etc etc people.
Stereotype of Anarchism = Chaos ... which is totally WRONG.
Dont hate something because you got brainwashed into hating it lol.
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