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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 19:28 Post subject: |
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phenom of course, you dont need to spend a cent more if you only game
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 19:55 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | Ok, that's clear, but I think I'll have to do with an Athlon II X3 445, in order to have enough moneyz to get GTX 460. 
Then later I can upgrade the CPU easily (am3 ftw) |
Go with 435 and OC it, you'll save money. I read that 435, 440 and 445 are the same proc only with 200 MHz difference (100 MHz stepping)...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 20:09 Post subject: |
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See... the Athlon II vs i3, that's a different matter. Phenom II vs i3 is a wash, but ATHLON II? Hmmm... That's a bit closer to the line.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 20:35 Post subject: |
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He cut my budget, lol. So I have this setup :
case :
ASUS TA-K62 BLACK
PSU:
some 550w-600w ...
Mobo:
MSI 785GM-E51
CPU:
AMD ATHLON II X3 445 3.1GHZ TRIPLE CORE BOX
Memory:
2x Kingston 2gb 1333mhz DDR3
GFX:
Gainward GTX 460 768mb
HDD:
Seagate sata2 500gb probably
That's the best value for money I can get I believe. What do you think, how's that for gaming ?
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 20:37 Post subject: |
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Trust me, I have Athlon II X3 435 and everything works like a charm ^^ And You have 460 which pwns 5770 ( ) so you'll play everything @ ultra 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 20:42 Post subject: |
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It's at 555 euros. And everything is uberexpensive here, so this is a success.
I'll probably get him a 22" lcd with 1680x1050 res like mine, so it should be fine performance-wise.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 20:44 Post subject: |
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Sounds like a plan, my good man! ^_^
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 21:21 Post subject: |
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First, about the initial question: the Phenom wipes the floor with that i3. No question about it, and for anyone in doubt: head to head on Anandtech. There's only very few points where the i3 is ahead 
Now, about your choices there: very solid setup, good choices you made there. For that kind of money, that's pretty much the best you can do, although you may want to check if the MSI board supports AMD's X6 CPUs for the future, not sure if it does. Might require a BIOS update, so check MSI's website for it perhaps?
As for the PSU, don't even go as far as 550W, really. If you want my suggestion, I'd aim for something like a Be Quiet Straight power 480W (Bronze, FSP inside), that'll give him plenty of upgrade room. If you want a bit more just to be slightly more future proof in case he gets silly and wants SLI or overclocks like crazy, things like an Antec Truepower (Bronze, Seasonic inside) or Thermaltake Toughpower XT (Bronze, CWT inside) are good choices at around 550W. Anything above will be wasted on this guy's budget
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 21:26 Post subject: |
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@pwerelds
No Corsair PSU recommendations?
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 22:05 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | @pwerelds
No Corsair PSU recommendations? |
Corsair doesn't have any modular PSUs I know of at that price/wattage level, and they only have basic 80+ certifications. The VX450/550 or even CX400 are by no means bad units, but spending 10 euros more gets you units with higher ratings and a (partial) modular layout.
Compare these two:
- Corsair VX550 @ €65: 80+ (Base), non-modular, CWT inside, 490W max. on the 12v rail
- Antec TP-550 @ €75: 80+ (Bronze), semi-modular, Seasonic inside, 540W max. on the 12v rails
Also note the plural at the Antec, it's got 4 split rails - single rail is not a big issue for most people, but if you got a shit power grid with peaks, split rails helps keep your hardware a little safer
I'm rewriting the PSU section of my hardware post soon, explaining some of this in more detail 
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 22:08 Post subject: |
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Kinda suspect how the VX550 only puts out 490W on the +12 whereas my VX450 puts out 545 :\
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 22:35 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Sep 2010 23:01 Post subject: |
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No problem
PSUs are tricky business, much harder to filter out the good ones than it is for all other components. I've been doing a lot of research lately for my own upgrade next week
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2010 04:48 Post subject: |
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Pc Power & Cooling
Seasonic
Corsair
Antec
PSU's to look at. And since most of them are rebrands of Seasonic oem's.....
PCC finally came out with modular/bottom 120mm fan psu's too btw, they look sexay but pricey.
I've been using corsair a lot for builds for customers and I've yet to have an issue with em, their rock soild. They usually come with a good array of goodies as well like velcro straps and zip ties.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2010 05:20 Post subject: |
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This thread is helping me a lot.
I got another question : Does the 460 need 2 x 6-pin connectors from the psu ? So, do I need a psu that provides 2 of those ?
Also, I've done some reading and it seems I'm good with a good 460w psu. Right ? (I posted the setup earlier)
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2010 05:23 Post subject: |
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btw VGA, the main difference between the athlon 2's and phenom 2 are the l3 cache, of which theres quite a few chips that can unlock those so you'll have yourself a beast, you could also unlock a core as well given the right motherbaord.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2010 09:20 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | This thread is helping me a lot.
I got another question : Does the 460 need 2 x 6-pin connectors from the psu ? So, do I need a psu that provides 2 of those ?
Also, I've done some reading and it seems I'm good with a good 460w psu. Right ? (I posted the setup earlier) |
I think that it has 2x 6 pin but I think that you can buy (or you get an extra) connector if your PSU doesn't have two. Altho I kinda think that majority of 550W PSU should be equipped with two 6 pin connectors...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2010 09:33 Post subject: |
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Thermaltake and more recent Cooler Master PSUs are not to be overlooked, they both use CWT parts for a lot of their recent PSUs. As a measure of comparison, out of Corsair's current PSUs in production (a good 20 or so) only 5 are Seasonic builds; the rest are all CWT builds with the exception of the AX1200 overpriced piece of shit, which is Flextronic.
| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | I got another question : Does the 460 need 2 x 6-pin connectors from the psu ? So, do I need a psu that provides 2 of those ?
Also, I've done some reading and it seems I'm good with a good 460w psu. Right ? (I posted the setup earlier) |
Yes and yes.
The system you built will be using somewhere between 200W and 250W (too lazy to look the numbers up for the CPU ) in a worst case scenario load, so 460ish is plenty. Seasonic have a couple of 420-480 modular units at around 60 euros, all with bronze certifications. And the one I mentioned above, Be Quiet! Straight Power CM 480 is a very solid unit as well (bronze, split rails, handles up to 420W on those rails and it's damn quiet).
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2010 13:14 Post subject: |
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I can find this 63 euros :
LC-POWER LC6460GP3 V2.3 460W SILENT GIANT GREEN POWER
Whatcha think ?
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Sep 2010 15:44 Post subject: |
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Lmfao @ Slizza, that's like Youtube advice, where's that from?
@VGAdeadcafe
Got any links to a webshop or something where I can have a look to see what you can get for your budget? No proper brands Seasonic in whatever shop you're using? I can find the Seasonic M12 II Bronze 520W for 69 euros here, much better unit, does 40A/480W on its 12v rail for example. Thermaltake, CM and Corsair all have similar units at that price level as well.
That unit you mention there is terrible, combined it does 31A on its 12v rails, 15 on one, 16 on the other. That's a really terrible result, that thing won't come anywhere near its 460W really.
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