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vaifan1986
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 Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 20:25 Post subject: Help with overclocking my new Q8200:) |
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Now I'd lilke to point out that I have done this before on my old E4300, managed to bring her up from 1.7 to 2.46. That being said, almost all knowledge about oc-ing with my motherboard has evaporated. I didn't want to post here, since I've already used up my "help the noob" card, but googling helped very little. The act of overclocking isn't what's confusing, it's the options on my motherboard: Gigabyte 965P-DS3 rev 3.3
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Whoever has the will,time or patience to explain which of these are relevant/necesary to increasing the speed at least up to 3Ghz, I'd be eternaly grateful.
Also, the option System Memory Multiplier goes from number 2 and upwards and the CPU Clock ration has only two options, 6 or 7.
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Slizza
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 21:07 Post subject: |
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Enable cpu host control then you will be able to raise the fsb.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 21:18 Post subject: |
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Here's a good place to start:
http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/26112-gigabyte-x38-p35-p965-ds-dq-s3-overclocking-general-bios-tweaking-guide.html
Also, you probably should disable everything relating to the CPU power saving options (CPU Enhanced Halt, C2/C2E State Support, C4/C4E State Support, etc). At least with my old E5200 disabling these seemed to help with the overall system stability.
If you have any Load-Line Calibration setting next to your Vcore disable it too.
I'd like to help a bit more, but some of the stuff in my BIOS seem to be absent of yours.
BTW, didn't some of the old Gigabyte BIOS have an hidden menu or something? I remember reading somewhere about this, where pressing F1 + some other key would bring up some options that usually were not shown by default...
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 21:27 Post subject: |
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Yeah disable the usual crap like speedstep first.
- CPU Host Control should allow you to set FSB
- Make sure to take SPD off auto, and set your memory speed correctly (go for a 1:1 ratio)
- Same goes for DDR2 overvoltage: see if you can set a specific voltage there, and then set it to whatever your memory is supposed to get (check it with CPU-Z before overclocking)
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Slizza
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 21:55 Post subject: |
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Can you post a screenshot showing the motherboard tab and the cpu tab in cpu-z please?
I just need to show somebody that the chip you have actually will function on that board.
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 09:57 Post subject: |
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Sorry for the wait guys, went out last night and got drunk with my friend and a couple of barely legal chicks.
Anyway, tonizito, you were right, there is a hidden menu, ctrl+F1, and there it was, I'm posting pictures of how it looks now. But before I went out, I managed to get a stable clock at 2.73Ghz without raising the voltage.
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Slizza, sorry for waiting, here are the pics you wanted
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6808/cpuz1l.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1789/cpuz2x.jpg
Couldn't spoiler the images for some reason 
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 15:35 Post subject: |
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Got a problem guys, I read somewhere that the system memory frequency should never exceed the maximum of the memory, which in my case is 800Mhz. But since increasing the FSB increases the sys mem frequency, I can't go any higher than 390. Is there a way around this?
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 15:57 Post subject: |
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| vaifan1986 wrote: | | Got a problem guys, I read somewhere that the system memory frequency should never exceed the maximum of the memory, which in my case is 800Mhz. But since increasing the FSB increases the sys mem frequency, I can't go any higher than 390. Is there a way around this? |
Well, as long as it's decent memory I think that running it a little above the default frequency will not cause damage. If you can't start windows or encounter any stability problems try raising the memory voltage a little bit.
Honestly, I don't know how accurate my advice on this part is. The last memory I OC'ed with were 2x512MB DDR400 sticks from Kingston (their awesome ValueRam too  ).
Regarding the 390 FSB... you can't get past that or are you afraid to past that because of the memory frequency?
If you can't boot past that then you might have hit your MB's FSB wall. And from there... I dunno. 
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 16:04 Post subject: |
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I can go higher tha 390, just not sure i should, because of the memory frequency.
I'd like to at least reach 3.0 GHz.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 16:13 Post subject: |
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| vaifan1986 wrote: | I can go higher tha 390, just not sure i should, because of the memory frequency.
I'd like to at least reach 3.0 GHz. |
Well, way back when I OC'ed that memory, I went as far as 460MHz and had that rig running for about 2 years. I even sold the memory to someone after that, and as far as I know it's still working as of today.
Can't you buy higher clocked memory? I had to buy some GSkill 1066MHz to OC my Q8300 to 3.33GHz, my 800MHz memory would probably not be able to handle a 444 FSB.
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 16:24 Post subject: |
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I'd love to buy it, but the motherboard only supports memory up to 800
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Slizza
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 18:40 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the screens.
What memory do you use?
Most of the good 800mhz sticks will be happy to run 1ghz.
Ballistix/dominators etc..
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 19:35 Post subject: |
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| Slizza wrote: | Thanks for the screens.
What memory do you use?
Most of the good 800mhz sticks will be happy to run 1ghz.
Ballistix/dominators etc.. |
Nah, it's Kingmax, crap I know, but couldn't afford anything better.
Also I pushed the fsb to 400, so now I'm running at 2.8GHz.
So in order to go higher I'd have to oc the memory a bit. But I haven't got a clue how. Raising the memory voltage? Changing latency settings? No idea.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 20:30 Post subject: |
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You don't _have_ to OC the memory. You can unlock it from the FSB in the BIOS and set a frequency manually. It just means your memory won't be running on a 1:1 ratio with your FSB, which doesn't really have that big of an effect.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 21:28 Post subject: |
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But aren't those two tied? If you increase FSB, you'll need to lower the speed multiplier on memory, and for me 2.0 is as low as it goes... increasing FSB any further drags the memory clock beyond 400/800.
Edit: Ah, I just re-read what you have said... I never saw an option to set the memory clock manually on my board though...
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 08:10 Post subject: |
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Ok, seems 2.8 is as high as it can go. Increasing the FSB anymore results in bsod.
Guess the bottleneck is the memory and motherboard with its stupid 800MHz limitation.
Anyways, thanks guys for your help, I really appreciate it.
@pwereleds- I can't seem to be able to to set memory frequency,it's greyed out, so I can't get anything other than a 1:1 ratio.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 09:20 Post subject: |
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there is no reason to run memory to run at 1:1 with cpu. Memory will set itself to a appropriate ratio
Especially when it comes to 800mhz memory, what you gonna do lol, set fsb to 800 (that would fsb 200 ^^).
anyway, ratios like 1:1 , 1:2 ,1:3,2:3,1:4 etc etc are all more than fine and you wont feel the difference in performance AT ALL lol.
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 09:27 Post subject: |
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Well that's the problem, I have no idea have to set a differet ratio, and I don't see any option in bios. The only scalable options are the multiplier which can only be 6 or 7, the FSB, and the memory multiplier, lowest of which is 2.00, and it's already on that setting.
Check my 2nd spoiler to see all the options in my bios, maybe you can see what I have to do set a different ratio.
And the memory won't set itself to an appropriate ratio, because as soon as the memory frequency goes past 800MHz(by raising the FSB), I get a bsod.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 09:54 Post subject: |
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Your bios looks exactly like mine and those huge images gave me a headache!
Resized them for easier viewing...
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 12:44 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | Especially when it comes to 800mhz memory, what you gonna do lol, set fsb to 800 (that would fsb 200 ^^). |
DDR2-800 = 400 MHz, not 800 
@ Vaifan: are there no guides for similar motherboards out there? |
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 13:06 Post subject: |
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None that I could find, I barely found the ctrl+F1 trick, to unlock everything in bios. But nothing on ram. Gonna keep on searching,but for the moment, 2.8 is enough, especially since I've been living with an E4300 for the last three years.
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Slizza
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 13:37 Post subject: |
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have you tried bumping up vcore a little and then setting the fsb @ 400?
I think that's your roof with the board you have.
EDIT: silly me you are already at 400.
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 13:48 Post subject: |
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Yeah, beginning to think 2.8 is the roof for this board, since any increase in memory frequency results in bsod, sure it's cheap memory and a 3 year old board, so I think I'll be happy with the 2.8, until I get some more money for a better board, and memory.
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Slizza
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 14:10 Post subject: |
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Not worth buying a new board and ram just for some more overclocking.
Keep that system until you move away from 775.
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