BTW, both of these retards have been doing this crap for years. They are sort of tag-team, where the young one "questions" religion, and other "proves" everything.
Check out the "Why we laugh at creationists" videos to see a lot of hilarity by these two.
BTW, both of these retards have been doing this crap for years. They are sort of tag-team, where the young one "questions" religion, and other "proves" everything.
Check out the "Why we laugh at creationists" videos to see a lot of hilarity by these two.
I don't know, I think I should purchase "the atheist bible", because you know, we might actually end up spending eternity close to these guys, and nobody wants that
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
"So you had proof that I exist but you sold it to the people as a book. Why didn't you also create a .pdf and distributed it via the internet for free?"
"Ehm... you know.. err ... fuck"
Such people are pure scum.
Oh and not that you guys think that I would read such nonsense even if it was free
"So you had proof that I exist but you sold it to the people as a book. Why didn't you also create a .pdf and distributed it via the internet for free?"
"Ehm... you know.. err ... fuck"
Such people are pure scum.
Oh and not that you guys think that I would read such nonsense even if it was free
I'm sure there are priceless things written in there, and when I say priceless, I really mean it
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
Please don't stone me but yes I believe in god, but I'm not a sheep and follow some idiots proclamaiming that they are the only ones that truely understand the messages in the quran and other things.
Please don't stone me but yes I believe in god, but I'm not a sheep and follow some idiots proclamaiming that they are the only ones that truely understand the messages in the quran and other things.
Well, I will not enter in a discussion with you, because you are one of the best guys among our community.
But I will say this, god does not exist, that is a fact, and it is my personal opinion that anyone who believes in any god is either mentally ill, plain stupid or very bad informed about the nature and the mechanics of our physical reality.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
So you're saying that god exists outside of our physical reality, which means that verification of his existence is metaphysically impossible, the only thing you can really use to argue his existence is nothing more than your faith...
Following this train of thought, why would you really want to believe that the universe is being supervised by a god, when you look at "his creation" do you really see a system that an all loving god would create, we humans tend to forget where we came from, just look at the harsh reality of every other living being on the planet, the constant struggle for survival, think about how fragile life is, it hasn't the smallest amount of meaning unless you yourself give it some.
Will you say that god designed everything exactly this way, just to test how would you behave before he decides where to send you to spend eternity?
No wait, he is omniscient, he knows everything that has ever happened and everything that will ever happen, so he already knows what you are going to do before you were even born....
One more thing, assuming that you aren't a creatonist and you embrace evolution as the factual explanation of human history, then, what will happen to every other species on the planet when they die, where is the worm messiah?
Can't you see past the obvious, and perceive that god is only the hope you grab yourself into when you are aware of your own mortality.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
Theoretically speaking, what prevents being from existing in higher dimensions? They would seem omnipotent to us.
Theoretically yes, but you have to remember that complex systems can only emerge out of simpler ones, the amount of degrees of freedom you are able to access doesn't change this very simple fact, ultimatelly , even if there were some type of extra dimensional life forms, they would still have to be evolved from a simpler state, doesn't matter how many variables you enter in this argument, you will always end in the same final conclusion.
Any complex system needs to evolve from a simple state, when you argue that "the most complex system ever imagined aka god" was there at the beginning and has always existed, you are going against every last stance of logic and factual knowledge in existence.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
Theoretically speaking, what prevents being from existing in higher dimensions? They would seem omnipotent to us.
Theoretically yes, but you have to remember that complex systems can only emerge out of simpler ones, the amount of degrees of freedom you are able to access doesn't change this very simple fact, ultimatelly , even if there were some type of extra dimensional life forms, they would still have to be evolved from a simpler state, doesn't matter how many variables you enter in this argument, you will always end in the same final conclusion.
Any complex system needs to evolve from a simple state, when you argue that "the most complex system ever imagined aka god" was there at the beginning and has always existed, you are going against every last stance of logic and factual knowledge in existence.
We do not know that much about everything there is to know in the universe and beyond, Sherlock
Your assumptions are based on the little we do know.
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Theoretically speaking, what prevents being from existing in higher dimensions? They would seem omnipotent to us.
Theoretically yes, but you have to remember that complex systems can only emerge out of simpler ones, the amount of degrees of freedom you are able to access doesn't change this very simple fact, ultimatelly , even if there were some type of extra dimensional life forms, they would still have to be evolved from a simpler state, doesn't matter how many variables you enter in this argument, you will always end in the same final conclusion.
Any complex system needs to evolve from a simple state, when you argue that "the most complex system ever imagined aka god" was there at the beginning and has always existed, you are going against every last stance of logic and factual knowledge in existence.
We do not know that much about everything there is to know in the universe and beyond, Sherlock
Your assumptions are based on the little we do know.
So your solution is, just forget all the little we do know, just invent god and convince yourself that you are right even though you just pulled god out of your ass?....
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
No, but someone claiming facts about something that isn't even tangible is just as ridiculous as religious nutters preaching their BS. To me you seem just as close minded as them.
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These "beginning" and "always" that Ron mentions are very subjective, aren't they? Eternity for us can be a singular "moment" for a higher dimensional being of sorts. So "technically", a being could have "been there" from the beginning and "be there" until the end of what we see as eternity.
This is something nobody can prove or disprove, so it is pointless debating it.
But the silliness of the existence of a being that is there to listen to praters of some pathetic species on one pathetic planet out of all universes (and beyond) is clearly the works of the imagination of a megalomaniac brain, seeking explanation for the unknown.
No, but someone claiming facts about something that isn't even tangible is just as ridiculous as religious nutters preaching their BS. To me you seem just as close minded as them.
If you consider every scientific knowledge we have today, as little as it may be (and yes, we already know quite much), it is metaphysically impossible for something like a god to exist, close minded is someone that still tries to find excuses, loopholes and bad information to sneak in the obsolete idea of god.
The truth is this, if there were to exist some possibility and plausibility for the existence of some god, it would require to be something so conceptually different from what all the major religions are advocating, that perhaps god wouldn't even be the correct word to label it.
The facts that you mentioned I was claiming above are all well established scientific truth, calling close minded when it's you that are badly informed is just as ridiculous as claiming there has to be a god to save you when you die....
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
These "beginning" and "always" that Ron mentions are very subjective, aren't they? Eternity for us can be a singular "moment" for a higher dimensional being of sorts. So "technically", a being could have "been there" from the beginning and "be there" until the end of what we see as eternity.
This is something nobody can prove or disprove, so it is pointless debating it.
But the silliness of the existence of a being that is there to listen to praters of some pathetic species on one pathetic planet out of all universes (and beyond) is clearly the works of the imagination of a megalomaniac brain, seeking explanation for the unknown.
Again, you are correct about your facts, I understand what you are saying, but still, you miss the point that a hyper complex system can't exist without being evolved by some means, this is the key notion that I'm trying to argue, that even if you consider a hyper complex being(s) existing in a extra dimensional framework, they needed to come from somewhere, they needed to evolve or being evolved by some means, you are obviously an intelligent person, you can see the difference between something that might seem godly to us mere humans from something that clearly violates almost all laws of physics, logic and rationality.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
But of course, I agree with you completely that the god of the bible is a complete lunacy. I was just entertaining the mere idea of something above our perception (aka omnipotence, omnipresence, etc), just like I entertain the possibility (and probability) of extra-terrestrial life.
But of course, I agree with you completely that the god of the bible is a complete lunacy. I was just entertaining the mere idea of something above our perception
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