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Ronhrin
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 Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 03:41 Post subject: Is TV becomming better than movies!? |
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What's your thoughts on this, I'm mainly referring to this year alone, but it seems to me that TV production value is really improving in the last couple of years, in some cases even surpassing the quality of some of the most expensive movies out there.
I just finished watching the 2 seasons of Breaking Bad, and I got to say it is really good, specially towards the end of the 2nd season.
As for the the rest of the year, I have really been very positively impressed by all most of the shows I usually watch, something I really can't say about any movie, I believe that Watchmen was pretty much the only movie that I enjoyed this entire year.
Lost season 5 - Improved considerable since the latest 2 seasons, and built up to one of best epic cliffhangers I have ever seen, and as I often say, I believe this show will go down as one of the best and most original shows of all time.
Battlestar Galactica - Despite some reservations about what was done in the very end, I cannot deny that this show really raised the bar in dramatic sci fi and realism in space flight, as the above show, this one will go down in history as one of the greatest.
Dexter - There really isn't anything to say about this series, it is perfect in every scene, detail, joke, everything in this show is great.
24 season 7 - after a average season 6, this show really put itself back on his feet and achieved what is imo the best season since it's beginning, the events and situations portrait this season also felt much more real than in prior seasons.
True Blood - Another very good example of the great improvements being made in television.
Obviously I do not watch every single show out there, either for lack of time or lack of knowledge about the show, but it is quite noticeable that we are probably living the best age of television of all time.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 04:33 Post subject: |
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Agreed.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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Ashok0
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 04:46 Post subject: |
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Agreed. Hollywood is pretty much "meh" these days compared to TV. And I totally agree with you, LOST ("The Incident" was incredible), BSG, Dexter, and Breaking Bad are phenomenal. You can also add Friday Night Lights and The Shield to that list. The final season of The Shield was FANTASTIC and had one of the best series finale I've ever seen.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 04:53 Post subject: |
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obviously coming from the EU you're not inundated with the unbelievable amount of fucking garbage on TV.
a couple hours a week / 30-40 hours of primetime programming does not equal a good product.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 04:54 Post subject: |
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Dexter is awesome, especially the 2nd season !
I don't watch Lost because it gets tiring with the constant questions raised  I want some good progression.
Battlestar Galactica : I liked the first 2 seasons, then it was less space combat and more bullshit on the planet where they were captured, gtfo, I stopped watching there.
24 : I liked how it started, then the whole kidnapping over and over again from the police's hands got ridiculous, come on. And prison "bases" guarded by 7-8 people ? Orly ? And reinforcements taking too long to come, I mean, seriously. And ppl shutting down each other's PC (oh noez! lol) I barely made it to the end of the first season. And that was disappoitning after the totally randomness of the revelation of the main traitor (wtf)
I really enjoyed Entourage, too, although it's getting boring now.
There are a lot of good TV shows, I hate it when they turn to shit, though. I believe there's more potential in a show, because movies are just too short. Even The Watchmen, which was my favourite movie of 2009, left me wanting for even more, although it's a long movie.
TV FTW ! But like nouseforaname says, I don't actually watch TV, I choose what shows interest me, so ...
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azzman
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 04:56 Post subject: |
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Should see Australian TV , thats a certified brain embolism in a box
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 05:08 Post subject: |
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| azzman wrote: | | Should see Australian TV , thats a certified brain embolism in a box |
Are you recommending any show in particular?
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 05:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 06:33 Post subject: |
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I just find that 1,5-2hr movies lack so much in character development compared to a series. And movies is actors, acting, good dialogue, and a good story. In that order. When you have all that time to get to know a character (Admiral Adama for instance in BSG), movies just pale in comparison. That's a solid character, solidly acted.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 07:37 Post subject: |
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While I agree with most that has been said here, I still believe there is place for "grand cinema", shall we call it. Maybe it's fueled by prejudice, but I just can't imagine grand epics like There Will Be Blood, The Lord of the Rings, The Dark Knight or Schindler's List made for TV. Could you imagine There Will Be Blood or Schindler's List as Hallmark Originals? Or The Lord of the Rings as a SyFy Original? Or The Dark Knight as an HBO Original? Even something like Transformers 1&2, which are horrid beyond any doubt, still have their place as tour de force of CGI, which otherwise would have never happened on TV. On the other hand, I think it is very safe to say that Battlestar Galactica has proven itself to be much much better than popular science fiction crap like Star Wars and Star Trek in both story and visuals, but that is the exception to the rule, sadly. I'd gladly take 3-4 season long Lord of the Rings (or better yet, The Silmarillion), but I know it will never have the care, love work and budget behind it that people put into the movie, so until that day comes, I will still prefer the film version.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 08:31 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | What's your thoughts on this, I'm mainly referring to this year alone, but it seems to me that TV production value is really improving in the last couple of years, in some cases even surpassing the quality of some of the most expensive movies out there. |
I don't think so, they are just different. I hear you that mainstream hollywood movies are falling in quality, but then you're looking in the wrong place for a good movie. Yes, you have some excellent TV-series, which by the way has not been a trend that started this year, but has been going on for some time. However, more and more TV-shows are being axed now than ever.
And TV-shows are different than movies in most respects (as Leo mentioned, the notion of grand cinema if you will). TV-shows for instance, have to have B-plots in most episodes and filler-episodes. Some say it's less character development in a movie, I agree only if we're talking mainstream movies here. There are many many great movies that has gone down in history as excellent, and will be remembered for a very long time. Can TV-shows speak of the same accolade yet?
| iNatan wrote: | | I know it will never have the care, love work and budget behind it that people put into the movie, so until that day comes, I will still prefer the film version. |
Bottom line for me. A good movie gives me so much more in 2 hours, a TV-show on the other hand takes so much more time to invest in, and in the end they might disappoint you.
The Wire, Dexter, Battlestar Galactica, Sleeper Cell, etc, are the exception to the rule of TV-shows. Lost and 24 (among others) are too incohesive in quality to be called remotely good. |
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 08:35 Post subject: |
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I think some series have proven without a doubt that the 'care' you speak of can apply just as well to TV-series.
I think the reason why we haven't seen 'The Dark Knight' (for example) as a TV-series is the cost of the cast, and all the extra work it requires out of actors to participate in season after season of playing the same characters (just ask Patrick Stewart, lol). Not every actor is up for it, and certainly not every director.
But I think the fact that more movie director switch medium is due to the fact they don't have to fit important things such as character development and background into thirty minutes of a film. And both these things make TV-series superior to any movie, in spite of it's epic proportions. Six more hours of LOTR? YES PLEASE. 
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 08:38 Post subject: |
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| lhzr wrote: | | i laughed. at the topic and at the fact that, for some, movies equal hollywood. |
That's because, generally; that's how it is.
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I'm sure there's a lot of shit tv programmes that never get popular enough to be bought by countries outside the US so I think that the shit vs good ratio will probably be the same for tv. It could even be higher because tv budgets are lower than films and with this bs 'reality tv' crap and 'talent' shows it might only get worse.
Lost - Stopped watching after season 2 because I hate being jerked around which was pretty much the reason I stopped watching Prson Break.
Battlestar Galactica - Stopped watching when it started going in the religious mumbo-jumbo realm. And also, a bunch of psychotic men, women with eternal pms, lingering close-ups of Edward James' (lunar sur)face do not make a good sci-fi show.
Don't know the rest.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 15:23 Post subject: |
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24 is really good actually, only the first and 6th seasons suck IMO.
Dexter, The Wire, Fringe, Burn Notice, Leverage are awesome.
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Ashok0
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Oct 2009 17:28 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | "The Wire, Dexter, Battlestar Galactica, Sleeper Cell, etc, are the exception to the rule of TV-shows. Lost and 24 (among others) are too incohesive in quality to be called remotely good." |
I really like all the shows you mentioned... but I've found LOST to be MUCH better written than Dexer with the formulaic Dexter kills Killers X/Y/Z, Battles Serial Killer X, Miraculously Escapes Police, Rinse/Wash/Repeat Next Season. And I thought the LOST Oceanic Six story was much better written that BSG's Final Five arc. *** * is a Cylon? Really? k.
And like the above poster said, the last season of LOST ended with one of my favorite hours of TV ever. It wasn't just good, it was brilliant. Just my .02.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 04:55 Post subject: |
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I can't wait for LOST to start up again. Too bad it's the last season. On the other hand Prison Break was also good but started to go downhill in the last season. Maybe that's why they took it off the air.
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| digitalhex wrote: | | I can't wait for LOST to start up again. Too bad it's the last season. On the other hand Prison Break was also good but started to go downhill in the last season. Maybe that's why they took it off the air. |
That and nobody watched it
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 11:27 Post subject: |
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Another good thing about TV shows. The blu ray releases fit fullscreen 16:9 - no damn black bars!!!!
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nouseforaname
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 05:38 Post subject: |
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id say definately not. 99% of the stuff on tv is pure shit... only about 94% of movies are shit (when you take into account foreign and the more obscure independant films)
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Ashok0
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 06:54 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | id say definately not. 99% of the stuff on tv is pure shit... only about 94% of movies are shit (when you take into account foreign and the more obscure independant films) |
99% of TV is bad? Really? Maybe NETWORK television...
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 18:57 Post subject: |
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Add to this list :
Sons of Anarchy
The Seeker
Merlin
Empty again 
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chiv
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Oct 2009 01:47 Post subject: |
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| Ashok0 wrote: | | chiv wrote: | | id say definately not. 99% of the stuff on tv is pure shit... only about 94% of movies are shit (when you take into account foreign and the more obscure independant films) |
99% of TV is bad? Really? Maybe NETWORK television... |
maybe just different standards, but tv is pretty damn shit, and anything GOOD... by definition... swiftly gets cancelled. |
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Oct 2009 12:15 Post subject: |
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Dexter and early prison break are the only things ive found worth watching in the past 5 years on TV..
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Oct 2009 12:55 Post subject: |
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I think the golden age of television that started with The Sopranos is over soon. There are less and less complex plotlines and its generally going back to the "alien of the week" type of episodes, the red thread constantly floating in the background but it wont matter if you miss 1 or 2 episodes. For example Fringe is like that. Its more about appealing to a broader audience than it was before, less risks, more of the same. Just look at all that supernatural/genius/overachiever crap they're throwing at us.
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Oct 2009 13:03 Post subject: |
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Huh, don't even watch tv only if sports is on nothing else, mostly garbage and commercials there.
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