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CaptainCox
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 Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 18:28 Post subject: 1156 or 1366...that is the question, or is it? |
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Will build a new rig soon enough...just been looking around a bit. I am a bit confused (I am sure Intel intended that  ) as to the sockets at the mo.
And I am in love with the EVGA P55 FTW mobo (purely based on looks
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But seriously, what to get here, a X58 or P55 board. if I had the money, would a X58 do a better job etc etc. And just looking at pricing the i7 860 just screams "Buy MEEEEE" or?
Any thoughts for and against would be more then welcome, cheers guys.
Oh and I am pretty sure I will buy Corsairs new case (Obsidian 800D)...looking at the interior solutions I really think they hit the nail on the head this time, enough space and fan mesh up top for a 360 radiator, if you are in to water cooling that is...and its BLACK!!! 
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 20:44 Post subject: |
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It all depends on what you want mate; future proof, triple-channel, hardware - or current tech, dual-channel hardware.
The 1156 socket has the i5 and the new dual-channel i7, which is every bit as powerful as the current triple-channel i7, just at a minuscule price difference. If you don't care about triple-channel, and would like a DMI (basically translates into an onboard PCI-E controller, effectively offering magnificent PCI-E bandwidth capabilities) then I'd recommend going with the 1156/i5. The i5-750 is every bit the performance equal to the i7-920 in the vast majority of every-day usage, and still clocks like a monster. If you would rather easier OCing via QPI, HyperThreading (effective 8-cores) and considerably faster memory bandwidth, then get the i7-860.
Or, if you want the best of the best - go for the proper, full-fledged, 1366 i7
There's a ton of good articles out there now, listing the differences between 1156 i5/i7 and the original 1366 i7, including performance comparisons. I was originally STEADFAST against Intel for releasing the, what I thought to be useless, i5 .... until I saw the reviews/previews/benchmarks. Holy shit that's an impressive chip! 
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 20:51 Post subject: |
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1366 i7 975. There can be no compromises when assembling a new rig
But if you don't feel like throwing away that kinda money, like I would 
Then get the 950.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 20:53 Post subject: |
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tywyn
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 01:34 Post subject: |
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If you're not looking at a multi GPU rig then go with the 1156.
I have an i5 750 and it's more than powerful enough for my requirements as the hardware is way in advance of the software.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 02:05 Post subject: |
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1366=high end
1156=low end
i7= best line of cpus currently on the market
i5=another average low perfomance crap
Hope it clarifies!
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 02:23 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: |
i5=another average low perfomance crap
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Every hardware and tech site online disagrees with you  |
Do they?
They are very outdated then 
Seriously now, didn't knew about that, but one think you can't deny is that i7 is greatly better than the i5!
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 02:56 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Of course! the 1366 i7 is the best-of-the-best, nobody disputes that, but - like you - I thought the i5 would be a worthless piece of trash. Turns out we were both wrong as the i5 goes head-to-head against the i7 in most every test  |
Well, I'm very surprised then, usually the low end cpus are very inferior to their high end counterparts.
Still, I wouldn't trade my i7 for anything released until this point
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See, the thing is; these *aren't* low-end at all. I'd call them mid/high-end, with the i7/Xeon being the "Enthusiast" class chips. Hell, the i5 is selling for £150++ with the i7 only being £30-40 more expensive. I agree though, you'd be daft to trade an i7 for an i5 - but for new buyers? they're incredibly tempting ^_^
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 06:37 Post subject: |
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With the low price of 5870 I can make a nice i7 system with 1366 6GB memory...
... Or wait for GTX 380 and waste all the money only on that 
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tywyn
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 10:25 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | 1366=high end
1156=low end
i7= best line of cpus currently on the market
i5=another average low perfomance crap
Hope it clarifies! |
It's laughable and embarrassing how little research you've done into this. The i5 750 actually beats the i7 920 for gaming and also uses 25% less power, and has massive overclocking potential if required (or the new q6600 if you like). If you're not using hyperthreading for high end video editing or encoding then tell me exactly what the point of getting an i7 would be? If you want to run multi GPU and add £30 a month on to your energy bill then go 1366. It was never a case of money when choosing between the i5/1156 and i7/1366, as there was only £40 difference in the price. If you're spending £800 on a new box, £40 is neither here nor there right?
Single GPU= 1156
Multi GPU= 1366
The forthcoming i3's are the low end
i5 mid range (replacing the Q6600 and such like)
i7 mid-high range (only difference between i5 and i7 is that i7 has hyperthreading and i5 uses less power)
i9 high end (very expensive and not yet available)
So the next time you're considering posting shit and misinformation on forums please do some research beforehand, and think before engaging your brain.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 11:35 Post subject: |
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sabin sums it up nice.
I know you don`t buy your new hardware cause you *need* it, cox (I am pretty sure your actual build still serves you *very* good...) - but if your next card is the 5870 (or even x2/crossfire) and you want to push it, get one of the *bigger* I7s.
With this card you are still cpu limited most of the time, even with a monster like the overclocked I7.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 11:52 Post subject: |
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Rohnrin please read some tests before posting such crap... the i5 is in the most tests just a little bit slower as the i7s.. and with some little tweaking it's blazing fast.
@Cox: If you have the money, go for the i7 as they are more powerful but none the less, the i5 is incredibly fast and has a lot of bang for the bucks
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 11:57 Post subject: |
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I know that i5 lack HT ability and have no triple channel mem controller, so if you have the money go for i7...
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 12:04 Post subject: |
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When I built my system, socket 1156 wasn't available. Had it been I probably would have leaned towards 1156 rather than 1366.
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tywyn
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 14:26 Post subject: |
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I think the only thing holding me back from an i5 setup right now, is the price. i5-750 is only about £40 cheaper than the i7-920. Dual-Channel DDR3 is only about £10 cheaper than Triple-Channel. P55 motherboard has a negligible price difference between P55 and X58.
I think I'd rather spend just that little bit extra and get a full i7 kit. Either that or wait a little and see if the i5 drops the "new hardware/early adopter premium"
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 14:30 Post subject: |
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Put a Thermalright 120 in there and you'll get 4.0+GHz easy. 
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 14:31 Post subject: |
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^^ That reminds me, tywyn; what voltage are you running that i5 on?
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tywyn
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 14:33 Post subject: |
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Yes i agree the price is alittle bit too close between the two, the price of the 1156 mobos needs to drop by about £30 - £40. I could have had an extra 2GB for £10 more with the 1366, but atm 4GB RAM is enough for me, if not I'll just get another 4GB.
In the end what swung it for me was the power savings for the same gaming performance as an i7 920, although the newer i7's will be faster for gaming. I even had the components delivered and still wasn't 100% and was prepared to send them back, but in the end I'm happy that I made the correct choice for my needs.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 14:35 Post subject: |
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So the only thing that differentiates i5s and i7s is hyperthreading? Not that this is a small feat, just asking. I'm also considering upgrading and this is important to me too. I'm leaning more toward an i7 though.
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tywyn
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 14:37 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | ^^ That reminds me, tywyn; what voltage are you running that i5 on? |
It varies between 0.88 - 1.01 v
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 14:48 Post subject: |
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And the i5 and i7 use different sockets, right? Can't buy an i5 now and down the road decide to upgrade. That's also important to me, because the new Hydra-powered MSI board is coming just for i5 CPUs for now.
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