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 Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 13:35 Post subject: Quick question on ATi gfx |
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As I was walking home from work tonight, I saw a few deals going on at the local PC store, , an ASUS EAH4870 512MB for NZ$299.00 reduced from NZ$491.86 (US$195.09, reduced from US$321.04), so was wondering if this was cause the card was crap or if this was a great opportunity to upgrade my grandpa card as I can't really afford nvidia because of crap pay, and its almost xmas, also, Western Digital Caviar Green 500GB 32MB SATA for NZ$96.74 (US$63.17), good deals (in terms of hardware reliability) or keep saving?
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
Mobo: ASUS M3N78-VM
RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 13:57 Post subject: |
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No, the card is not crap  They are getting cheaper because by the end of the year a new line of DX11 cards will be coming out, while the 4870 line is over a years old.  It's great card, you should see a huge improvement over the 8800GT.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 14:19 Post subject: |
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dx11 eh... let me guess... windows 7 exclusive?
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 14:24 Post subject: |
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I bet some silly Russians will try to port it to XP. 
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 14:49 Post subject: |
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Hmm, OK then I'll put some serious consideration into dishing out some money for it, will look around first though, will be good for a chance since I've been having problems with nvidia's latest drivers.
Also would the hard drive be fine for a system hdd?
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
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RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 14:52 Post subject: |
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I suggest Samsung Spinpoint F1, they are faster and more reliable than the Caviars.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 15:00 Post subject: |
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Awesome, thanks, and I'm glad I did a little looking round first as the 1GB is just as cheap, except PowerColor and XFX at NZ$320 (US$209) but I think I recall someone mentioning XFX aren't as good as they used to be? Would it still be a good investment to last something like 2 yrs? Dx11 can wait till the bugs are ironed out.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
Mobo: ASUS M3N78-VM
RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
GFX: XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB
Audio: VT1708B (Integrated)
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W
OS: Windows 7 (x64)
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 15:11 Post subject: |
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Both seem to be stock cards with only a sticker from the brand, so it doesn't matter, you'd get the same product, so go for the cheaper (or the one that would arrive faster if they both have the same price  ).
And it's a good investment, especially with the console ports currently dominating the market. Look how long the 8800GT has been in service for you.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 15:22 Post subject: |
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| Psyclon.Thanatos wrote: | | Awesome, thanks, and I'm glad I did a little looking round first as the 1GB is just as cheap, except PowerColor and XFX at NZ$320 (US$209) but I think I recall someone mentioning XFX aren't as good as they used to be? Would it still be a good investment to last something like 2 yrs? Dx11 can wait till the bugs are ironed out. |
I run a xfx4870 1gb version, top quality packaging it was etc etc, id not say the brand is not as good as it was , no idea where u heard that....
anyway go for it. good card runs anything i throw at it so far. |
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 15:25 Post subject: |
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Hell yeah, my only regret is getting it on launch for US$326.10 only for it to drop to around US$228.27 in other shops soon after, ain't doing that again...but that WAS my first real worthwhile card, 7600GT was only tempo, since the 1GB don't seem to be on special I'll wait till payday, and console ports aren't that important to me, got a PS3 for that, only thing I never play on console unless exclusive is fps, don't really bother with strategy.
| moosenoodles wrote: | | id not say the brand is not as good as it was , no idea where u heard that.... |
I'm not sure who, but it was something along those lines but it was Nvidia cards.
EDIT: put the 2 replies together.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
Mobo: ASUS M3N78-VM
RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
GFX: XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB
Audio: VT1708B (Integrated)
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W
OS: Windows 7 (x64)
Last edited by Psyclon.Thanatos on Thu, 30th Jul 2009 15:28; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 15:28 Post subject: |
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Ah i see, I got my 4870 from overclockers.co.uk for a measley £147 once..
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 15:29 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 15:39 Post subject: |
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Yeah was just about to mention, I can get 4890 for NZ$100 (US$65.21) more than the lowest priced 4870, but the XXX edition here is way too much
Its late so gonna sleep on it now, will hopefully get enough money on payday to pay for a 4890 if I'm lucky then put my 8800GT into a HTPC made of spare parts so I can watch anime and bd rips instead of just divx on PS3, hopefully mkv takes over avi soon, thanks heaps for all the input, didn't expect to get a good card for such a low price, specially here >.>
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
Mobo: ASUS M3N78-VM
RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
GFX: XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB
Audio: VT1708B (Integrated)
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W
OS: Windows 7 (x64)
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 15:57 Post subject: |
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| Psyclon.Thanatos wrote: | | hopefully mkv takes over avi soon |
Huh? Haven't had an AVI in my PC for years. |
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009 18:19 Post subject: |
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| Psyclon.Thanatos wrote: | | thanks heaps for all the input, didn't expect to get a good card for such a low price, specially here >.> |
I think it's due to shipping costs, new zealand is pretty remote and I don't think they make GFX cards in there. it's the same case for other countries like that aswell.
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009 03:49 Post subject: |
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Nope, neither support them, but that just shows how inferior they are. HTPC FTW!
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009 13:31 Post subject: |
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So true, but give the console a keyboard+mouse and I would consider using it as my main gaming platform, less DRM hassle, Steam is fine, I use it for most/all my games now but TAGES, etc. Makes me regret buying Clear Sky for US$7, I'm never gonna install it cause of TAGES, even for the Steam version which is a bitch, oh well, theres other ways.
EDIT: Step One: Mouse
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009 13:55 Post subject: |
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Yeah yeah, these console mice are really terrible, as what they do is emulate analog, and also games are not designed to use mice (you can see a proof of this with the shittier ports, which work terribad with PC mice). You could say "support a kb+m oficially" but in the age of "as simpler as possible, down to having a magic button that thinks for you", do you really think it will happen?
BTW, PS3 supports KB+M (through USB). How many games support them? 1 (UT3).
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009 14:06 Post subject: |
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Yeah I've used my kb+m on my PS3 but it only works on the console OS, and UT3...oh right I remember hearing about that, that servers show if it supports em or not, and I know what you mean about the bad ports, worst I've played (atleast recently) is Ghostbusters, the game and concept are fine but the mouse controls are horrid, trying to move slow/sensitive is impossible.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
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RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009 14:20 Post subject: |
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Yeah, because shamefully they implement mouse to analog emulation. Sadly, this is what is only possible with current game designs, so imagine having to play all games with awful controls like in Ghostbusters. That's what will happen with that FragFX. You can see how bad it is in videos in YouTube.
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2009 14:25 Post subject: |
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Lol, some guy used a PS2 converter to use a PS/2 adapter on his PS3 and the mouse and keyboard worked fine on Resistance, saw it on a youtube vid.
Are the Samsung 500GB hdds only in 16MB cache form? Its all I can find, but doesn't mean a 32MB doesn't exist :3
EDIT: Lol, your prof says you joined on 1 Jan 1970, thats what Steam says my OS was installed on.
Yup 16MB the only 1, bit disappointed but oh well.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
Mobo: ASUS M3N78-VM
RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
GFX: XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB
Audio: VT1708B (Integrated)
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W
OS: Windows 7 (x64)
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 08:33 Post subject: |
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Last offtopic, and sorry for dp but browsing a local shops site, they have a Phenom II X2, are those any good at all? Of course better than my current but worth the price of US$129.75?
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
Mobo: ASUS M3N78-VM
RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
GFX: XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB
Audio: VT1708B (Integrated)
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W
OS: Windows 7 (x64)
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 08:51 Post subject: |
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| Psyclon.Thanatos wrote: | | Last offtopic, and sorry for dp but browsing a local shops site, they have a Phenom II X2, are those any good at all? Of course better than my current but worth the price of US$129.75? |
the phenom II cpu's are good period. They've gotten them to overclock past 4ghz on just air. |
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 09:02 Post subject: |
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Yeah, Phenom II's I'm aware of but a dual core Phenom II, or should I just keep my money, cause this is apparently a "rare" product and it does have a pretty lowish price, but in terms of bang for buck I mean.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
Mobo: ASUS M3N78-VM
RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
GFX: XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB
Audio: VT1708B (Integrated)
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 09:11 Post subject: |
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With a 3.2GHz dual core A64 you already own, do you really need a new CPU? Not really, if you are upgrading just for gaming, I think. 
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 09:14 Post subject: |
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| Psyclon.Thanatos wrote: | | Yeah, Phenom II's I'm aware of but a dual core Phenom II, or should I just keep my money, cause this is apparently a "rare" product and it does have a pretty lowish price, but in terms of bang for buck I mean. |
meh, depends on what your doing with it. I prob wouldn't get anymore more than a dual core for anything just cause I wouldn't need the extra cores, I rarely go outside of gaming/chatting with my computer so I need to worry more about gfx and shit |
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 10:09 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | With a 3.2GHz dual core A64 you already own, do you really need a new CPU? Not really, if you are upgrading just for gaming, I think. |
True, but its the 6400+ Black Edition that was pulled out for having a bug, so I was gonna replace it and just use it for the HTPC where the so-called bug won't be that much of a problem, plus it would overheat so much I have a Zalman 9700LED that blocks a RAM slot, but apart from that your right it works pretty much fine.
EDIT: Yeah guess I won't bother with a new CPU for now just get a cheaper 1 if I really want a HTPC, I have old RAM, mobo, and a GFX in a few days, and an old case but probably won't use that.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
Mobo: ASUS M3N78-VM
RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
GFX: XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB
Audio: VT1708B (Integrated)
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W
OS: Windows 7 (x64)
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 13:11 Post subject: |
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Got the gfx and hdd today, put them in, runs fine apart from that high pitched sound that won't go away but I'm assuming its just cause I have good hearing for high pitched sounds (I hear things my friends don't), but when I try to update the gfx drivers, when I get to the logon screen everything is black apart from the mouse, when I do ctrl+alt+del or ctrl+shift+esc the mouse goes into the loading cursor but nothing after that, oh and this is on Windows 7 64bit, no drivers it runs fine apart from what I'm assuming is Microsoft graphics drivers but I doubt they will be that good seeming how in properties it says it has 16mb of ram on it, oh and I can't get my default resolution of 1440x900 :\
Oh, so far tried 9.6+7
EDIT: Nevermind, it was cause I usually plug both my monitor cables in, it came with both vga and dvi so when I first got it I plugged them both in just to be on the safe side, but taking 1 out made everything fine, would the vga with dvi adaptor be worse or the same as just plain dvi?
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400 Black Edition (3.2GHz)
Mobo: ASUS M3N78-VM
RAM: OCZ Gold DDR2-1066 2x2GB
GFX: XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB
Audio: VT1708B (Integrated)
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W
OS: Windows 7 (x64)
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