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LeoNatan
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| Quote: | Dear Valued Giganews Member,
Giganews
We’ve dropped a few hints about how fast Giganews retention is growing – but now we want you to be the first to hear the biggest news yet. You will soon see 365 days of retention! That’s a full year of content waiting to be discovered.
It’s a great time to be with Giganews:
* You get more time to find and download great content -- we’re adding another day of retention every single day
* Soon you’ll get a full 365 days of retention, something that doesn’t exist anywhere else
We want you to have the best possible Usenet experience – so we’ll keep delivering quality and features you can’t find anywhere else. Check our website daily to watch us reach this new milestone in Usenet history.
Best regards,
Giganews Team |
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 11:07 Post subject: |
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Still overpriced. I'm sticking with Astra.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 11:17 Post subject: |
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I guess buying more drives is cheaper than lowering prices like most other providers. I don't know if storing a year's worth of warez is a good idea though. I know that a year and 200 days is same in terms of principle but there might be a critical point where the copyright people decide to move against giganews/others.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 11:47 Post subject: |
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| swingman wrote: | | I guess buying more drives is cheaper than lowering prices like most other providers. I don't know if storing a year's worth of warez is a good idea though. I know that a year and 200 days is same in terms of principle but there might be a critical point where the copyright people decide to move against giganews/others. |
Well if they aren't total idiots they would of saved a significant chunk of cash for the possibility of a lawsuit. Anyone in that business who thinks the good times will roll unchallenged legally is being optimistic at best.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 12:23 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Still overpriced. I'm sticking with Astra. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 12:23 Post subject: |
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Yes, but where do we draw the line when it comes to user generated content? How are Giganews responsible for the content uploaded by the users? It's like the airline companies being blamed for 9/11 for having sold tickets to the terrorists.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 12:32 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Yes, but where do we draw the line when it comes to user generated content? How are Giganews responsible for the content uploaded by the users? It's like the airline companies being blamed for 9/11 for having sold tickets to the terrorists. |
"User generated content"? Is that what we call pirated material now?  99.99% of all the binary groups consists of pirated data, no doubt.
How can the usenet providers not be responsible? They run the paid service and they facilitate all the servers. This is not the same as p2p trackers, who don't have a finger in what users upload/download except for the tracking file itself.
Usenet providers store the actual pirated material on their own servers. If one of them is drawn into a lawsuit for the material they store, it's game over for them me thinks. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 12:37 Post subject: |
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What I meant was user uploaded content Giganews, or any usenet host for that matter, are not to blame here.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 12:43 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Giganews, or any usenet host for that matter, are not to blame here. |
Yes they are guilty as charged (if they do enter into a lawsuit) as I said above - for distributing pirated material. Simple as that.
Laws might be a bit different from country to country, but seems to be the same regarding uploading or distributing pirated material. And I somehow doubt Giganews or otherwise are hiding down in south-america or someplace. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 12:49 Post subject: |
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Hold on, how are they responsible for distributing it? It's like saying Youtube is responsible for sharing a music video with the world, when clearly the one responsible is the user uploading it. Usenet servers just replicate bits, this is what you pay them to do. Their servers cannot distinct what is copyrighted and what is not (as opposed to Youtube which have some chance at catching videos and audio by "finger printing" them), and like you said, 99.99% of several hundred petabytes, so expecting them to sit and filter legal from illegal content is silly. 
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 12:58 Post subject: |
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Giganews went to shit recently. They started censoring posts, threatening people who post with emails, lying about retention, and still charging insane amounts for their shitty service. As someone already mentioned Astra ftw.
Oh and there's a dutch usenet provider that's upgrading retention to 400 days. So Giga once again wrongfully bullshitting people about how they are the best yadda yadda.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 13:01 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Hold on, how are they responsible for distributing it? It's like saying Youtube is responsible for sharing a music video with the world, when clearly the one responsible is the user uploading it. Usenet servers just replicate bits, this is what you pay them to do. Their servers cannot distinct what is copyrighted and what is not (as opposed to Youtube which have some chance at catching videos and audio by "finger printing" them), and like you said, 99.99% of several hundred petabytes, so expecting them to sit and filter legal from illegal content is silly. |
Two different things: Youtube by themselves does not allow you to download their videos, only streaming. Youtube is also paying the music industry for this, afaik it is not known what Usenet providers are doing in this regard.
Usenet is facilitating distribution of illegal material, even though their own staff are not uploading the material themselves. Usenet is taking part in distributing it further, not the end user, even though he/she have upload the material in the first place. This is not a distribution between end users, but between Usenet providers and end users. That is why it is illegal.
In the way Usenet works, yes it replicates bits. But each Usenet providers have the ability to filter what is on their servers or not. They can distinguish what is illegal and what is not in their binary groups. After all they make an effort to remove child pornography and otherwise (last time I checked their CoCs anyway), it should be no problem to filter out the illegal stuff, which is pretty much everything. Oh hey, that means they're outta business, that's why they won't. But it is technical possible. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 13:07 Post subject: |
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Well, don't know, it doesn't sound illegal to me. Good thing I live in a country where 99.99% of the population has no clue what usenet is, and the other 0.01 say "pay for varez!? no wai!".
Oh yes, it's also good that there are no piracy laws enforced at all. That also helps.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 16:06 Post subject: |
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I play taxes too...
25$ monthly to Giganews.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 17:51 Post subject: |
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Depending on countries and so on there have been talk about this in the court when in comes to The Pirate Bay and how they are merely offering a service that can be used for good and bad. The way I think it is a service is available as is. Otherwise you might aswell hold ISP's responsible for users sharing illegal material. ISP's also filter child porn so why shouldn't they filter warez, it's not like its hard for them either...
The serviceprovider should not be liable to what the users do in a case like this!
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spankie
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009 23:05 Post subject: |
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ISPs have to block pirated material as good as they can... Block kiddie porn and report it...
Google got sued for showing copyrighted material on their news site...
I dont understand that you guys dont understand that. Of course you are guilty for encouraging infringements. When you know illegal shit is going on, you have to prevent and report it.
You don't rent out a house to drug addicts as a drug house, do you? Or is your excuse, 'hey man, inside they do what they want'. Of course you are responsible. You own it, you are responsible. There are of course degrees of responsabilities. But saying 'i am only offering a platform, thats BS'. Dont be a hypocrite
Even a bank has to report fraudulous money, why? Because if they dont, they get problems some years later.
Have you never read the little letters at the bottom of an ISP contract? "we will report fraudulous activities blablalb', why is that? Because once they see something not ok, they report you and you are screwed and they cleanse themselves as soon as they can to avoid problems in the future, because they know they can be responsable.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Mar 2009 11:12 Post subject: |
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The Astraweb site is now stating that they too will be upgrading to 365 days retention.
Happy days!
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Mar 2009 11:31 Post subject: |
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I don't know the legality of the situation, but on the technical side it would be insane to force ISPs to filter stuff. Not only because of the sheer amount of data would bring any filter server to it's grave, but also because all the illegal traffic will suddenly evaporate and be replaced with encrypted data. It would be meaningless to hold an ISP responsible.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Mar 2009 11:42 Post subject: |
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| cirithungol wrote: | | The Astraweb site is now stating that they too will be upgrading to 365 days retention. |
Nice, especially for the price they have
| Submiqent wrote: | | I don't know the legality of the situation, but on the technical side it would be insane to force ISPs to filter stuff. Not only because of the sheer amount of data would bring any filter server to it's grave, but also because all the illegal traffic will suddenly evaporate and be replaced with encrypted data. It would be meaningless to hold an ISP responsible. |
Of course, that's another reason why most ISPs stay off binary groups and only offer text.
I dunno why spankie mentioned ISPs, but his analogy is correct as far as Usenet providers go. It's not insane for Usenet providers to filter stuff, as they sit on huge amounts of processing powers. I was not necessarily talking about only automated filtering either. And just because traffic is encrypted, does not mean authorities can't find out what's going on, and slap them with a subpoena to say, check the content of their servers. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Mar 2009 13:04 Post subject: |
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Haha this is why competition is always great.
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2012 21:11 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Giganews is down? |
Same happened with Astra today, EU servers went 502. I waited for about 5 minutes and switched to their umbrella servers  |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2012 21:30 Post subject: |
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Giganews is back, working fine now.
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2012 21:45 Post subject: |
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Testing if search is working correctly ?
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