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LeoNatan
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Considering they are using 2 DVD9s (read the whole debacle in the PC section's thread of the same game), I think it's ridiculous. Considering both consoles have such small amount of RAM, even if there were some uber uncompressed, 16384x16384 textures on the bluray, the PS3 won't be able to use them properly.
On the two discs, the more discs you have for release, Microsoft are charging more and more, so maybe now they are having second thoughts.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 22:59 Post subject: |
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This is pretty old news.
And already been said that PS3 and Xbox 360 version of Rage will look identical.The game will be split into two large wastlands and will fit perfectly on two DVD9 disks;)
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 01:19 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | Considering they are using 2 DVD9s (read the whole debacle in the PC section's thread of the same game), I think it's ridiculous. Considering both consoles have such small amount of RAM, even if there were some uber uncompressed, 16384x16384 textures on the bluray, the PS3 won't be able to use them properly.
On the two discs, the more discs you have for release, Microsoft are charging more and more, so maybe now they are having second thoughts. |
but you forget about one thing , when the X360 displays/codes/uses to show/calculate the graphic though the GPU , the PS3 displays/codes/uses to show/calculate it though the CPU and GPU (it can use software mode shaders , OutCast did some thing simillar with the Pentium Cpu back in the day ) so it can display faster and calculate faster IF they would use their full 8 cores of the PS3
thats why the PS3 IF it survives it will win the console fight when it comes about graphics , well if M$ will not do another revision of theirs console again like they did with the new 60gig model with new Ram chips and Lite-on drives
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 01:41 Post subject: |
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I really dont get it when people think that the PS3's *superior* CPU will make the graphics any better. it wont, its almost like saying I have an intel quad core with a an old geforce2 card, what benefit is the processor? none.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 11:06 Post subject: |
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| Spiderman wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | Considering they are using 2 DVD9s (read the whole debacle in the PC section's thread of the same game), I think it's ridiculous. Considering both consoles have such small amount of RAM, even if there were some uber uncompressed, 16384x16384 textures on the bluray, the PS3 won't be able to use them properly.
On the two discs, the more discs you have for release, Microsoft are charging more and more, so maybe now they are having second thoughts. |
but you forget about one thing , when the X360 displays/codes/uses to show/calculate the graphic though the GPU , the PS3 displays/codes/uses to show/calculate it though the CPU and GPU (it can use software mode shaders , OutCast did some thing simillar with the Pentium Cpu back in the day ) so it can display faster and calculate faster IF they would use their full 8 cores of the PS3
thats why the PS3 IF it survives it will win the console fight when it comes about graphics , well if M$ will not do another revision of theirs console again like they did with the new 60gig model with new Ram chips and Lite-on drives |
What do you mean by "new rams"? As far as I know there's no difference between RAM chips in the new model and in the old one.... Maybe the only difference is that the new ones produce less heat but nothing else, I mean, the 60gig model has no extra RAM modules or anything like that. To be honest I didn't even know it has new set of RAM chips 
*edit* Is it gonna be the first game to demonstrate ID's new engine?
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 11:52 Post subject: |
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That looks like Outcast, best game ever 
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 13:20 Post subject: |
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Both consoles are equal overall, saying one has better graphics than the other is just stupid. One game just might be optimized better for one than for the other.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 14:33 Post subject: |
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I like the PS3 more, and not just cuz I love MGS4 and technically speaking it dropped my jaw underground, or because it doesn't feel as tacky and cheap as the 360, or because it uses BD's, or because I didn't have to buy stupid rechargeable batteries, or cuz of the fact that it has no region lock...ok wait, I think point made, never mind.
I'm sure there are dozens of arguments to counter the reasons I like it, and I know the 360 is not too bad cuz well...I have 'em both, I just don't want to buy a new console (or a new HD DVD drive) every time MS notices the PS3 has another advantage over their console that they didn't consider...
Nevertheless, competition's good for consumers, so let 'em go at each-other.
Blame! don't act!
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 14:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 17:07 Post subject: |
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ps3 sucks ass proven fact,no better graphics pretty much dead on the same,
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 18:36 Post subject: |
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| Hellbeans wrote: | I like the PS3 more, and not just cuz I love MGS4 and technically speaking it dropped my jaw underground, or because it doesn't feel as tacky and cheap as the 360, or because it uses BD's, or because I didn't have to buy stupid rechargeable batteries, or cuz of the fact that it has no region lock...ok wait, I think point made, never mind.
I'm sure there are dozens of arguments to counter the reasons I like it, and I know the 360 is not too bad cuz well...I have 'em both, I just don't want to buy a new console (or a new HD DVD drive) every time MS notices the PS3 has another advantage over their console that they didn't consider...
Nevertheless, competition's good for consumers, so let 'em go at each-other. |
Feel free to take a look at TFU on PS3 and XboX360 side by side! You won't need an eagle's eye to notice the differences between the two! XboX360: Better textures, more vibrant colours, less blurry. PS3: Much brighter image, much more blurry in order to hide weak portions of the game, less vibrant colours. This applies to most of the games on PS3. You like it better? Than go for it. I really don't know why you guys always come up with Cell and GF7 GPU. That GPU is NOT stronger than Xenos, have no clue why you think so... Cell would be or could be stronger if developers were able to exploit its full power but so far it is not the case... Some PS3 fans (I do not mean any of you on that forum!) keep claiming that PS3 is superior, stronger, better etc., but at the same time they cannot even show a worthy example that would prove their truth... OK there've been games that may look slightly better on PS3,like Mercenaries2... but it's not that XboX could not handle that game as well as PS3 does, it is the fault of developers' or simple marketing.
Before flaming, no I'm not an xbox fan, I do embrace the advantages of PS3 (BlueRay, Sixaxis, less heat producing better HW quality that prevents the console from melting lol...) but yet, it isn't superior.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 19:41 Post subject: |
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| Spiderman wrote: | | Fl00D wrote: | What do you mean by "new rams"? As far as I know there's no difference between RAM chips in the new model and in the old one.... Maybe the only difference is that the new ones produce less heat but nothing else, I mean, the 60gig model has no extra RAM modules or anything like that. To be honest I didn't even know it has new set of RAM chips
*edit* Is it gonna be the first game to demonstrate ID's new engine? |
in all models even Elites , there are 4 rams , 2 on top , 2 on the bottom (those two are main problem why the X360 is so hot when you touch it) , so they removed those on the bottom and added then on top + added new transistors in the new 60 gig , now this model is the superior one ,
http://benheck.com/08-06-2008/inside-a-60-gig-xbox-360 |
Well I see, but it means no extra performance in games, it only reduces the risk of heat problems, am I not right? Well, of course, it is superior but who cares when you have water-cooling inside your box
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 20:12 Post subject: |
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Typical. Mention PS3 in any context and people use it as a springboard to suggest one console is better than the other. Fl00d, comparing games across platforms as even you yourself pointed out (!) is a silly way of coming to any conclusion. Multiplatform titles aren't going to take advantage of either system and can in fact be biased to one or the other based on various factors, not least of which their experience with that particular system (what with the PS3 being relatively more difficult and newer to develop for).
Furthermore; hardware doesn't in of itself equate to arresting visuals or innovative and enjoyable gameplay - which makes this whole discussion, in an ID thread no less, completely moot (as they aren't artists and they don't innovate gameplay). Aesthetic value can be attained on even the most antiquated of systems - it just takes a different approach. The idea that any system would be limited by hardware is lame. Lets pretend that hardware improvements suddenly STOPPED still right now, do you really honestly believe that game development would come to a grinding halt with it? Of course not. So when will people just shut up about which system is better - it's an entirely subjective argument without merit. If you don't like the PS3 nobody really cares and likewise if you don't like the 360 - I mean it's fair enough if you have a preference but you don't need to derail threads all the time with inane babble.
For what it's worth I believe ID were trying to put pressure on Microsoft to change their stance on multiple discs. They will have had discussions about this in private surely so the only reason they went public with their 'concerns' was to create a buzz to push them into addressing it - right? Well, at least that's a convoluted and cynical way of looking at it anyway. It sounds far-fetched but I never really understood why they felt the need to whinge.
...and I'll go with Leo, the difference - if indeed there is one (and I wouldn't be surprised to find out the PS3 version actually ran worse in the end, such is my confidence in third party developers) - will almost certainly be negligible, especially when you take into account that they themselves have even pointed this out.
I can imagine the type of posts that would have populated this thread had the news story been the other way around, if it were supposedly better on the 360.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 20:17 Post subject: |
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The new Xbox models will offer no extra performance, they'll just improve heat distribution etc. If MS or Sony decided to replace the GPU for example, it would be useless because the devs will still have to develop for the least common denominator.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 21:04 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | Typical. Mention PS3 in any context and people use it as a springboard to suggest one console is better than the other. Fl00d, comparing games across platforms as even you yourself pointed out (!) is a silly way of coming to any conclusion. Multiplatform titles aren't going to take advantage of either system and can in fact be biased to one or the other based on various factors, not least of which their experience with that particular system (what with the PS3 being relatively more difficult and newer to develop for).
Furthermore; hardware doesn't in of itself equate to arresting visuals or innovative and enjoyable gameplay - which makes this whole discussion, in an ID thread no less, completely moot (as they aren't artists and they don't innovate gameplay). Aesthetic value can be attained on even the most antiquated of systems - it just takes a different approach. The idea that any system would be limited by hardware is lame. Lets pretend that hardware improvements suddenly STOPPED still right now, do you really honestly believe that game development would come to a grinding halt with it? Of course not. So when will people just shut up about which system is better - it's an entirely subjective argument without merit. If you don't like the PS3 nobody really cares and likewise if you don't like the 360 - I mean it's fair enough if you have a preference but you don't need to derail threads all the time with inane babble.
For what it's worth I believe ID were trying to put pressure on Microsoft to change their stance on multiple discs. They will have had discussions about this in private surely so the only reason they went public with their 'concerns' was to create a buzz to push them into addressing it - right? Well, at least that's a convoluted and cynical way of looking at it anyway. It sounds far-fetched but I never really understood why they felt the need to whinge.
...and I'll go with Leo, the difference - if indeed there is one (and I wouldn't be surprised to find out the PS3 version actually ran worse in the end, such is my confidence in third party developers) - will almost certainly be negligible, especially when you take into account that they themselves have even pointed this out.
I can imagine the type of posts that would have populated this thread had the news story been the other way around, if it were supposedly better on the 360. |
I do agree with you, but maybe you misunderstood me, I did not say that either system would be superior to the other! I only said there were games that looked better on 360 and games that looked better on PS3 but this "phenomenon" is due to various factors, which you mentioned likewise. Your thesis about ID trying to put pressure on Microsoft sounds really logical and I would not be astonished at all if it was the case!
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 23:04 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | The 360 will probably not have that long view distance or have to load more. I judge this by a inteview I saw some months ago. But I don't get it.. rockstar eliminated loading times in GTA 4. Not tried Oblivion on 360, but I guess its no longer loading times than the PC version. |
so far i saw ps3 having view distance issues in several games
by the time this game comes out 360 will have 'install to HDD' feature, so loading times should be equal
all in all i don't care how good/bad it will look on either of 'em coz there is no way in hell i'm cashing out 60 euro for a single game which will be 'play and forget' as any other
even if it will look worse on 360 i'll go with leeching side
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 23:05 Post subject: |
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Dewlix loading times what load times , the new update will have install on HDD
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Sep 2008 00:36 Post subject: |
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They've already said it will look the same, as far as I know they changed the design of the game to accommodate the lack of storage space and Microsofts policy on multiple discs. The difference, they said, will be in distance scenery so the impact will be minimal at best (again, assuming we take what they say at face value when it all sounds a bit political to bring it up in the first place).
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Sep 2008 02:48 Post subject: |
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It looks to me like the most important 360 attribute -- for the typical console gamer at least; is the fact that you can build castles made of verbs. The 360 is going HD-DVD last I heard right? that will put a new spin on things...until then, people will obviously try to keep justifying their choices, it's only human.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Sep 2008 13:11 Post subject: |
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The Xbox has a superior GPU, that's a fact. I myself do not bother with brands, but I definitely see a (very) small difference in hgraphics between the PS3 and Xbox. The PS3 CPU is better, but it's hard to code for and useles unless the devs can do something with the raw power present.
The Xbox has a superior online service. Gold isn't free yes, but even Silver is superior to Sony's online option.
The Bluray has no value if you don't watch Bluray movies. The Bluray disk can hold much more data, but that's only a plus with ingame cutscenes. Devs could probably use uncompressed, high res textures because of the huge amount of space. But the PS3 HW won't be able to handle such textures and the Bluray drive is just too slow.
The Xbox has a far better selection of games for me. So that's a plus too.
And most importantly, games are free. That's probably the biggest reason to go for an Xbox.
Do you want more reasons?
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