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 Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 08:58 Post subject: HDDVD just got killed by Warner Bros. |
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Warner Bros. all but signed the death warrant for HD DVD on Friday, when it dropped its format-neutral approach to back Blu-ray exclusively.
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Warner's move to back Blu-ray exclusively is expected to end the format war bedeviling the homevid biz. This would be a sweet victory for Sony decades after Betamax lost the first format war to VHS
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Sony, Fox, Disney and Lionsgate all back Blu-ray. Warners sister companies New Line and HBO will also shift their allegiance to Blu-ray only as well.
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Warner's timing apparently caught the HD DVD camp off-guard. Thursday afternoon, shortly before Warners said it notified Toshiba of the decision, HD DVD backers were making media calls, talking about their plans to promote the format at CES. A few hours after Warners went public with its decision the following day, the North American HD DVD Promo Group cancelled its Sunday event
Source: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117978461.html?categoryid=1009&cs=1
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 09:13 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | I personally couldn't care if I download BlueRay or HD DVD rips  |
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i just dislike sony... if bluray wins (i suppose the IF is kinda redundant...) i spose we can expect the price of bluray to skyrocket? sony LOVE overpricing their shit... look at the cost of ps3 game ffs... now that bluray is the ONLY hd format, and everyones signed up, sony can pretty much do whatever they want, and that was the only reason i originally wanted hddvd to win, because sony are cunts when it comes to their pricing.
anyway... the death of hddvd didnt come from wb...
newline just went bluray exclusive... THAT was the moment hddvd died.... that, and the rumblings that microsoft was going to release a bluray player for their 360... i mean shit, if microsoft of all companies has given up on hddvd, then its truely over and done with.
either way, i feel fucked over by both formats, so i intend to download most of the time, only buying the few rare ones i deem worthy of owning in the finest bestest quality ever, IE all pixar films 
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 11:46 Post subject: |
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I agree with chiv, i dont like Sony either..
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 12:04 Post subject: |
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i also spose this means bluray drives wont be coming down in price any time soon either!
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 12:17 Post subject: |
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arrr cmon lets not paint the devil on the wall, Sony wont make the same mistake as they did with the UMD disc... Also compromises are bound to be made to fully get all the studios onto the agreement kind a like with the DVD back in the mid nineties.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 12:35 Post subject: |
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jumping on the disliking sony bandwagon.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 12:47 Post subject: |
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What i -used to- like in the HD-DVD is that there is no region crap and that the codecs -excepting the DTS-HD- are mandatory and not optional for players.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 13:22 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | i just dislike sony... if bluray wins (i suppose the IF is kinda redundant...) i spose we can expect the price of bluray to skyrocket? sony LOVE overpricing their shit... look at the cost of ps3 game ffs... now that bluray is the ONLY hd format, and everyones signed up, sony can pretty much do whatever they want, and that was the only reason i originally wanted hddvd to win, because sony are cunts when it comes to their pricing.
anyway... the death of hddvd didnt come from wb...
newline just went bluray exclusive... THAT was the moment hddvd died.... that, and the rumblings that microsoft was going to release a bluray player for their 360... i mean shit, if microsoft of all companies has given up on hddvd, then its truely over and done with.
either way, i feel fucked over by both formats, so i intend to download most of the time, only buying the few rare ones i deem worthy of owning in the finest bestest quality ever, IE all pixar films |
That is wrong on many levels, first Sony is only one of the player in the Bluray association, so they can't "do whatever they want" as you say, even if Sony is a powerful member, decision are in no way taken by them, a lot of people inside and outside this team invested a lot of money so decision are not taken lightly, we are talking about a multi-billion market here that is suppose to take over DVD in the long range.
Then about the games, you have to understand that the production cost AND the media cost are much higher than other console such as Xbox 360 and Wii, those console relies on DVD or DVD-DL a technology that has been around for more than 10 years and used widely (software, movie, games), so if you think they are making more money because they are greedy think again, if anything they are doing less money, Bluray production cost is also higher than HD-DVD, however they recently found a way to convert DVD productions center to Bluray plants with low costs, this and the sales volume increasing should reduce the production/media costs, and this should eventually reflect on the MSRP.
Now about increasing the price that is SO wrong, trust me what they want is to reduce the price as much as possible, the target is to move as many hardware and software units into the consumers home, right now the HD business is nothing, compared the DVD industry or music industry and all the analyst know that selling 600$ players and overpriced software won't do any good, Sony already announced a 200$ players for 2008 and the prices will continue to decrease.
I don't know where you heard that Microsoft was going to release a Bluray player but that's the most stupid thing I heard, rumors was that Microsoft would announce at the CES the launch of an Xbox 360 with built-in HD-DVD player but presse conference was cancelled after Warner Bros annoucement, there's no way on earth MS will release a Bluray player for 360 and if you read that somewhere I would be interested to see the link.
I format neutral but I believe Bluray winning will have a positive impact on the HD business and if you don't like Sony just get a Sharp,Pioneer,Denon,Samsung or Panasonic player all of them are also Bluray exclusive.
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| Quote: | Microsoft's director of global marketing for the Xbox 360, Albert Penello, told BetaNews this morning that the company will continue to push an HD DVD drive for the Xbox 360, but acknowledged the external nature would enable it to ship a Blu-ray drive if Sony's format became the new high-definition standard.
Penello also said that despite the rumors, Microsoft has never planned to ship an Xbox console with an integrated HD DVD drive, but the decision has nothing to do with the uncertainty in the format war. Because neither standard was finalized when the Xbox 360 shipped, Microsoft opted to use DVDs.
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sony are definately the most powerful and influential member of the founding groups, and theyve shown themselves to be very happy to overprice their products... unless you think that sony has by some miracle become powerless or suddenly cares about providing products are low reasonable prices... there is just no way you can justify the insanely high prices of current console games EXCEPT by the fact that they KNOW they have such a massive hooked fanbase so they realise they can price them however they want, and people will need to PAY that amount, unless they want their consoles to become useless... the sheer NUMBER of console games sold, means that prices do not need to be as high as they currently are - its pure greed.
and i seriously DOUBT that now that they are the ONLY ones providing hd solutions for movies, that they are going to LOWER their prices - price lowering only happens when you HAVE competition, not AFTER youve crushed the competition... no i expect they'll go up for a fair while, before they go down again some time in the future...
| [EviL] wrote: | | chiv wrote: | | that, and the rumblings that microsoft was going to release a bluray player for their 360... |
I don't know where you heard that Microsoft was going to release a Bluray player but that's the most stupid thing I heard
there's no way on earth MS will release a Bluray player for 360 and if you read that somewhere I would be interested to see the link. |
http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNews/idUSN0851332620080108
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| chiv wrote: | sony are definately the most powerful and influential member of the founding groups, and theyve shown themselves to be very happy to overprice their products... unless you think that sony has by some miracle become powerless or suddenly cares about providing products are low reasonable prices... there is just no way you can justify the insanely high prices of current console games EXCEPT by the fact that they KNOW they have such a massive hooked fanbase so they realise they can price them however they want, and people will need to PAY that amount, unless they want their consoles to become useless... the sheer NUMBER of console games sold, means that prices do not need to be as high as they currently are - its pure greed.
and i seriously DOUBT that now that they are the ONLY ones providing hd solutions for movies, that they are going to LOWER their prices - price lowering only happens when you HAVE competition, not AFTER youve crushed the competition... no i expect they'll go up for a fair while, before they go down again some time in the future... |
So in youre mind they will raise the prices to earn more money, and by doing so,loose money because no one will buy BR player. GG. Thats why all Sony-s products are so expensive. Like mp3 players, TV-s, DVD players, PS2 etc.  PS3 costs so much because ITS EXPENSIVE TO MAKE. They are loosing money on every sold console. Only one making profit is Nintendo. Prices will go down because studios want to sell movies and they cant sell them if hardware that can play those moview is expensive.
About region protection. Do you really belive that if HD - DVD wins that they wont add region protection on every dics? Y right i see that happening. There is no protection now because they want to sell as much movies as they can. Its simple as that.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 15:27 Post subject: |
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| Nakitu wrote: | | chiv wrote: | sony are definately the most powerful and influential member of the founding groups, and theyve shown themselves to be very happy to overprice their products... unless you think that sony has by some miracle become powerless or suddenly cares about providing products are low reasonable prices... there is just no way you can justify the insanely high prices of current console games EXCEPT by the fact that they KNOW they have such a massive hooked fanbase so they realise they can price them however they want, and people will need to PAY that amount, unless they want their consoles to become useless... the sheer NUMBER of console games sold, means that prices do not need to be as high as they currently are - its pure greed.
and i seriously DOUBT that now that they are the ONLY ones providing hd solutions for movies, that they are going to LOWER their prices - price lowering only happens when you HAVE competition, not AFTER youve crushed the competition... no i expect they'll go up for a fair while, before they go down again some time in the future... |
So in youre mind they will raise the prices to earn more money, and by doing so,loose money because no one will buy BR player. GG. Thats why all Sony-s products are so expensive. Like mp3 players, TV-s, DVD players, PS2 etc. PS3 costs so much because ITS EXPENSIVE TO MAKE. They are loosing money on every sold console. Only one making profit is Nintendo. Prices will go down because studios want to sell movies and they cant sell them if hardware that can play those moview is expensive.
About region protection. Do you really belive that if HD - DVD wins that they wont add region protection on every dics? Y right i see that happening. There is no protection now because they want to sell as much movies as they can. Its simple as that. |
they will raise prices on br movies not players.. my statement has NOTHING to do with players... of course players will come down in price now, NOONE is debating that... but hiking up br movie prices will NOT stop people buying them
basically its asking people to chose between high prices or not having something at all... and people will ALWAYS cave and pay those high prices... and sony knows it! its the same as how those overpriced ps3 games dont stop people buying those either... people are hooked and if theres no substitute, we'll pay whatever it costs. |
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I don't think so. I think the HD market for films and the required equipment is so selective that the Bluray consortium have to tread lightly.
Only a select few want such high quality. Most people are happy with standard DVD's.
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I dont understand the hate for Sony.
Sure they mark up some products but fuck PS3 games go for $49.99-$59.99. Not to bad.
They make decent products. My sony tv, dvd player and ps3 havent failed me yet.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 15:56 Post subject: |
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Sony make some good kit. But they can make some disasterous mistakes.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 16:11 Post subject: |
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| Nakitu wrote: | | About region protection. Do you really belive that if HD - DVD wins that they wont add region protection on every dics? Y right i see that happening. There is no protection now because they want to sell as much movies as they can. Its simple as that. |
| Quote: | | There is no Region Coding in the existing HD DVD specification |
If you think that they could have easily added a region protection afterward with the players already sold, now this seems unrealistic to me.
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| Jenni wrote: | | Sony make some good kit. But they can make some disasterous mistakes. |
Im just saying ive never had a problem with any of my sony products. Maybe Ive just been lucky  |
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 16:18 Post subject: |
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One of those mistakes affected me directly.
Bunch of wankers.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 16:19 Post subject: |
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First go and check the price of the media check how much is a DVDR and compare it to the price of any BDR, it's obvious that the media itself is much more expensive, it's logic if you consider 4.7GB vs 50GB, also the production volume plays an important part here, have you ever heard about standard variable cost (SVC), the more you produce the lower the cost gets, I know I'm repeating myself but overpriced PS3 games has nothing to do with Sony making more money on them, it's new technology, it's has more storage and much lower production volume, it's pure logic.
Of course the bluray groups want to provide products at reasonnable price, consummer are confused about HD and most are happy with standard DVD, having a one and only high defintion format is a fantastic opportunity to educate people, actually raising price is exactly what they don't want, they want to move as far as possible from this "elite" image, they want to provide cheap hardware and cheap software and they will, they wont risk loosing a 10 year multi-billion market to make an extra 100$ on player and 5$ on software.
Also don't forget that to watch bluray you need a TV and most of the Blurays supporting brands here are offering 1080P sets, Pioneer,Sharp, Panasonic, Samsung, Sony, so pushing with cheap player and cheap software is win-win for them, also the protection on the movie it self is much harder to bypass and it will be hard for the average joe to copy/burn them so it's also positive for the studios, to sum it all it's really in there advantage to target the masses and not the rich geeks.
oh and Chiv I don't know what your problem is with Sony but you just sound like an angry kid missing 10$ pocket money to buy an overpriced PS3 games, move on, there's many many other brand to choose from if you don't like them.
Oh and also don't use the word fanboy, it's a console forum only word.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 17:46 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | Those are called people who haven't watched a high definition movie yet  |
So true. I have converted 3 of my friends to HD after letting them watch some HD content. They are all happy now. |
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I know, I feel like my entire DVD collection is outdated. I have a couple hundred burned dvds that I got cases for and printed high-res covers. Think I'm going to put them all in dvd-folders now instead...
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008 20:16 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | they will raise prices on br movies not players.. my statement has NOTHING to do with players... of course players will come down in price now, NOONE is debating that... but hiking up br movie prices will NOT stop people buying them
basically its asking people to chose between high prices or not having something at all... and people will ALWAYS cave and pay those high prices... and sony knows it! its the same as how those overpriced ps3 games dont stop people buying those either... people are hooked and if theres no substitute, we'll pay whatever it costs. |
Prices will fall for media and players and thats a fact. You cant compare price of empty dvd with empty BR disc because the difference is in amount of data you can store and what kind of process is needed to create one disc. I dont see people whining about price of empty DVD when compared to empty CD.Studios want to sell movies and they know that if price is to high people will pirate movies even more.
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@Nak
Is Blue-Ray region coded?
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Warner didn't kill HD DVD, they killed HDM in general. Its still a niche market, and now it looks like the most anti consumer, DRM filled, over bloated product, and also the most expensive product is the choice of movie studios.
I'm loving all the people unloading there HD DVDs on ebay. Ive picked up multiple titles for pennies on the dollar.
Blu-ray is to expensive for the average Joe 6 pack, and will remain a niche market untill down loadable HD is available.
Im still buying HD DVDs, and i make many of my own from .264 blu-ray rips. Most fit on 1 or 2 DVD9s and are great quality. I have a PS3, but im not buying any blu-rays, ill just make my own HD DVDs.
@Syco, yes Blu-rays are region coded, HD DVDs are region free( It was part of the mandatory specs). Most imports have selectable subs as well.
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