Lian Li 1100B case with Water Cooling...
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Dec 2007 20:38    Post subject: Lian Li 1100B case with Water Cooling...
Ok, here is the deal. Nakitu (il bastardo) of course said with some sarcasm Wink , got me thinking in my "Enzotech" thread
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40461

I got a Lian-Li 1100B case (good case etc)

And I stumbled on some reviews/ articles about Koolance "Drop in" systems.
Koolance INX-720BK Cooling Kit

with this CPU cooling Block


Now I know that Koolance have the Lian-Li 1100 as a sort of reference case for the INX-720BK, and that it will fit etc. Thing is, I don't really want to buy a new case as this one fits perfectly under my desk and basically I don't see the point in spending money on a new one as this one is really good build quallity etc etc.

So...Would this be a an ok system? or...I know that Swiftechs stuff is also kick ass, but its dam hard to get hold of in Germany, at least their Apex "Ultra" kit.

I could also get a "Innovatek" setup (German made) and really good quallity stuff...but...
Or would someone (Nakitu for e.g.) gimme some hard advice here.

Like I said I don't really want to get a new case just yet.

Example of a "pre built" system using above components from Performance-PCS.com
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=262&products_id=3761

I know some WC vets will say that this is "beginners" stuff, but then again, I think the performance of this system ain't that bad...


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Dec 2007 22:13    Post subject:
Pre-built kits always trail behind the Aseteks and the danger dens in performance but are easy to install. On the other hand a diy kit would never fit in you case. Why do you need wc anyway? Planning to oc?
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Dec 2007 22:20    Post subject:
I am already, E6600 @ 3.2...but I am not happy with my temps ( 43-44 Idle, 52-54 Load with a Scythe Infinity)...never really was. My plan is to get the new Wolfsdale in Jan and clock it to at least 3.4 -3.6 or higher ( I know, tough call and all that)...anything above 40 C is not an option

Actually running at 40C now, but my room temp is...well, below comfortable Wink


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Dec 2007 22:34    Post subject:
i doubt u will feel any difference in between 10-15C and or 0.2-0.4 ghz, but then again if u got money to burn why not
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Dec 2007 22:41    Post subject:
CaptainCox wrote:
I am already, E6600 @ 3.2...but I am not happy with my temps ( 43-44 Idle, 52-54 Load with a Scythe Infinity)...never really was. My plan is to get the new Wolfsdale in Jan and clock it to at least 3.4 -3.6 or higher ( I know, tough call and all that)...anything above 40 C is not an option

Actually running at 40C now, but my room temp is...well, below comfortable Wink



Why do you complain about the temps?!
As long as it runs stable, where is the problem?
I am pretty sure that you wont be very happy with wc after some time... believe me...

and the new intel cpus wont get as hot as the E/Q/2/4/6 xxx.

I bet my nuts, that 4000 Mhz are easy to get on air.
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Dec 2007 22:49    Post subject:
Those temps are already below what you'd get with the stock Intel provided heatsink at stock speeds.

Don't deal with the hassles of water unless you are about squeezing every ounce of performance out of your rig, which you are not. -3 seconds from winrar isn't going to do you too well, might as well save the cash you will potentially spend on the water cooling deal and aim it at intel's new line of CPU's.
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Dec 2007 19:14    Post subject:
Hm...ok, but as I really want to deal with the "hassles of water"...oh well...
I guess I will order somet like the " INX-720BK" just to have somet to do over Xmas Wink
We will see...I will at least take home a Dremel and a Jig Saw + some other tools one might need from work over the holidays...U never know...do ya Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Dec 2007 20:24    Post subject:
AwE wrote:
CaptainCox wrote:
I am already, E6600 @ 3.2...but I am not happy with my temps ( 43-44 Idle, 52-54 Load with a Scythe Infinity)...never really was. My plan is to get the new Wolfsdale in Jan and clock it to at least 3.4 -3.6 or higher ( I know, tough call and all that)...anything above 40 C is not an option

Actually running at 40C now, but my room temp is...well, below comfortable Wink



Why do you complain about the temps?!
As long as it runs stable, where is the problem?
I am pretty sure that you wont be very happy with wc after some time... believe me...

and the new intel cpus wont get as hot as the E/Q/2/4/6 xxx.

I bet my nuts, that 4000 Mhz are easy to get on air.


Why wouldnt he be happy with WC? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Dec 2007 20:30    Post subject:
CaptainCox wrote:
Hm...ok, but as I really want to deal with the "hassles of water"...oh well...
I guess I will order somet like the " INX-720BK" just to have somet to do over Xmas Wink
We will see...I will at least take home a Dremel and a Jig Saw + some other tools one might need from work over the holidays...U never know...do ya Wink


My advice is dont listen to people that dont have wc. Point of WC is to get complete system cool and quiet. With air colling you have one big piece of metal that heats youre whole PC.WC takes all heat away so whole system is cool.My cpu block is cool as ice with WC as i is the rest of system. You can buy water block for youre gtx and with that you get rid of 60-80C that that cards makes.
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Dec 2007 20:30    Post subject:
Exactly Wink... Being a somewhat "paranoid" person when it comes to temps (probably down to all the speed and coke i have consumed over the years!" I think I will not have peace until I do go WC Wink


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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 13:39    Post subject:
Nakitu where did you purchase WC? Here in Cro or outside?


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PostPosted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 18:36    Post subject:
dingo_d wrote:
Nakitu where did you purchase WC? Here in Cro or outside?


http://www.ve-mil.hr/opis.aspx?sifra=7770001
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2007 00:31    Post subject:
Nakitu wrote:
AwE wrote:
CaptainCox wrote:
I am already, E6600 @ 3.2...but I am not happy with my temps ( 43-44 Idle, 52-54 Load with a Scythe Infinity)...never really was. My plan is to get the new Wolfsdale in Jan and clock it to at least 3.4 -3.6 or higher ( I know, tough call and all that)...anything above 40 C is not an option

Actually running at 40C now, but my room temp is...well, below comfortable Wink



Why do you complain about the temps?!
As long as it runs stable, where is the problem?
I am pretty sure that you wont be very happy with wc after some time... believe me...

and the new intel cpus wont get as hot as the E/Q/2/4/6 xxx.

I bet my nuts, that 4000 Mhz are easy to get on air.


Why wouldnt he be happy with WC? Rolling Eyes


because it`s not "build in and forget about it", because its expensive, because it isn`t less noisy than a good air cooling, because you have to buy new coolers everytime you update something, because you wont get a much higher oc capability.

did i mention its expensive already?

but maybe i am wrong and he wants wc just for the tinkering... Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2007 10:49    Post subject:
AwE wrote:
because it`s not "build in and forget about it", because its expensive, because it isn`t less noisy than a good air cooling, because you have to buy new coolers everytime you update something, because you wont get a much higher oc capability.

did i mention its expensive already?

but maybe i am wrong and he wants wc just for the tinkering... Smile



I can see that for people who dont have job or they live with their parents, WC can be expensive but for rest its not. What do you mean you need new coolers everytime you update something? You mean water blocks? If so then you are wrong because water block for cpu or mobo fits on every mobo that has that kind of socket. Same as Air cooler. WC is much less noisy then air. Here is why. When you have WC you DONT need 10 vents in youre PC. Having 6 vents in case + 1 on high end gpu card + 1 on cpu + 1 on mobo + 2 on PSU tends to make lots of noise. With good WC you loose all these vents. You have 2 vents on PSU (you can water cool PSU too if you want) and 2 or 3 vents on youre radiator and thats that. Pump in wc doesnt make any noise. You cant hear it. Other thing is,that cpu cooler heats up very much same as gpu cooler. That heat stays in case. If you want to test it run some benchmark for a houre and then open youre case. You will feel high temp inside. In WC you dont have that. Everything is cool inside. Its not build and forget, you are right there. Every year or more you need to add small amount of cooling liquid.
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2007 12:00    Post subject:
I have not yet decided what system I will buy, but I will buy "something". I keep you posted when I get some temps etc to report Smile

One neeeds something to fiddle with over Xmas...no? Wink


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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2007 17:48    Post subject:
Nakitu wrote:
AwE wrote:
because it`s not "build in and forget about it", because its expensive, because it isn`t less noisy than a good air cooling, because you have to buy new coolers everytime you update something, because you wont get a much higher oc capability.

did i mention its expensive already?

but maybe i am wrong and he wants wc just for the tinkering... Smile



I can see that for people who dont have job or they live with their parents, WC can be expensive but for rest its not. What do you mean you need new coolers everytime you update something? You mean water blocks? If so then you are wrong because water block for cpu or mobo fits on every mobo that has that kind of socket. Same as Air cooler. WC is much less noisy then air. Here is why. When you have WC you DONT need 10 vents in youre PC. Having 6 vents in case + 1 on high end gpu card + 1 on cpu + 1 on mobo + 2 on PSU tends to make lots of noise. With good WC you loose all these vents. You have 2 vents on PSU (you can water cool PSU too if you want) and 2 or 3 vents on youre radiator and thats that. Pump in wc doesnt make any noise. You cant hear it. Other thing is,that cpu cooler heats up very much same as gpu cooler. That heat stays in case. If you want to test it run some benchmark for a houre and then open youre case. You will feel high temp inside. In WC you dont have that. Everything is cool inside. Its not build and forget, you are right there. Every year or more you need to add small amount of cooling liquid.


Well - I had water before... expensive oc in comparison to air cooling. #
add liquid every year or so? some times a year fits it better. hmm... 10 vents in your pc?! just plan your airflow well and you will do fine with 4-6 (including cpu cooler) + psu.
And it doesn`t make more noise... you are right about the water blocks. you could always build your own adapters if you change socket/gpu - so ok... you mustn`t change EVERYTIME you change hardware.
Then there is the bearing of the waterpump - often makes problems after some time/makes more noise.
and then there is the psu - I know there are watercooled psus - expensive as hell - and i wont trust a psu filled with water...
Hmm - wc is still not for the mass market - but its fun to tinker with it... just my opinion oc.
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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Dec 2007 22:15    Post subject:
Ordered today (hope it will come before Xmas )

http://www.aquatuning.de/product_info.php/info/p2084_360er-Komplettset-12V-Laing-S--775.html
and
http://www.aquatuning.de/product_info.php/info/p853_Blende-Triple--360--Bricky-Black.html
Will take a dremel, drill and a jig saw from work on Friday (last day before the big HD) Smile
Wish me luck....it might not fit ....I will make it but!


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Dec 2007 23:53    Post subject:
Do not butcher such a lovely case, i.e. good luck. Wink Post some pics while you are at it.
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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Dec 2007 01:39    Post subject:
That will keep you busy for some time. What's the pump rated at?
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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Dec 2007 18:39    Post subject:
I think the pump specs are

Pump Speed: 420 LPH
• Max Temp: 60° C
• Delivery head: 3.7m

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=409

Not the most powerful Laing pump, but enough for starters i recon

Anyhow, the kit was shipped out today, so if I am lucky I could get it in the morn...or latest Monday WOW...that's the 24th Wink
Got all the tools just laying around in "ready" mode Smile


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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Dec 2007 15:22    Post subject:
Got my stuff today. Guess the Deutsche(German) Post had to much to do over Xmas
Will start to install the stuff...maybe later, or at least in the morn. I might have to get a metal file, as I guess the jig saw will leave pretty rough edges, will see.


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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Dec 2007 16:51    Post subject:
CaptainCox wrote:
I might have to get a metal file, as I guess the jig saw will leave pretty rough edges,


Probably
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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Dec 2007 17:08    Post subject:
Cheers for that link!, my case actually, well not 100% but same interior!
That case is a "Lian Li PC V1200B Plus II - black" my one is a "Lian Li PC V1100B Plus II - black" basically same case but mine has a front hatch and uses solid aluminium instead of the perforated stuff shown in that vid.


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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Dec 2007 21:22    Post subject:
Got a couple of questions to any hardened WC veterans.

1. Do I connect the 3 fans in series (using 3 pin converters "came with the package") to the CPU fan socket on the main board?

2. Any good tips as to get the system absolutely air bubble free!


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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Dec 2007 02:34    Post subject:
1. Three fans on one header might be more than it could handle. I would put one on the cpu for monitoring purposes and two on molex connectors.

2. Fill the reservoir with coolant and make sure that the pipe going to the intake of the pump always has coolant in it. Start the pump and let it run till the coolant level in the intake pipe gets low. Switch-off pump, refill res and repeat till all the air is out of the system through the res. You will have to short your power-supply to be able to run the pump without powering on the computer. You might get some air bubbles trapped in the block or in the bends which you can remove by tapping it or tilting the system. Avoid sharp bends in the tubing.

Look for videos on youtube by dangerden on how to fill/drain the system.
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Dec 2007 08:52    Post subject:
Cheers man!. Good tips there. Will get on with it today.


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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Dec 2007 13:06    Post subject:
CaptainCox wrote:
I am already, E6600 @ 3.2...but I am not happy with my temps ( 43-44 Idle, 52-54 Load with a Scythe Infinity)...never really was. My plan is to get the new Wolfsdale in Jan and clock it to at least 3.4 -3.6 or higher ( I know, tough call and all that)...anything above 40 C is not an option

Actually running at 40C now, but my room temp is...well, below comfortable Wink


I don't know why you're keen to keep it below 40 as you'll need to top 70 to worry about electromigration, and temps in the 50's are the norm

It's nice to have a new toy tho, good luck with it all, interested to hear how high you can get it..
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Dec 2007 14:26    Post subject:
Cheers! will do, but have to do it in the morn I guess Sad. Having guests for dinner here, and later theater (my Xmas press for the Mrs. At the mo I am back to stock speed on the E6600 2.4Ghz as the temps where just getting really weird, I actually have 2 fans on that Infinity at the mo, but dont really seem to help. To get decent temps my room have to be sort a 17-18C and that's not really comfortable in the long run. If I keep my room temp 22-24 or so I tend to be in the high 40s "C" and that's in Idle, OCed that is.

I will keep U posted on how it goes, probably will start 1st thing in the morn. Will probably take a good 4-5h though, as I should clean out the case completely before starting to butcher it. Will also take my time to figure some clean cable management etc.


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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2007 02:10    Post subject:
Ok finally managed to get all stuff done, PHEW!, what a day!. Took me a good 6-7 h due to disassemble the case, ALL COMPONETNTS!, Plan of attack, fuke up due to the dremel battery not wanting to recharge, cutting cursing, filing, drilling and vacuuming, every little pice of aluminum that was ALL OVER THE PLACE!.
But I am really happy I did it Smile, check my temps in the end

Getting there, almost done connecting all the stuff.



Checking for air bubbles and leaks! about 6H, should probably run 24h, but seems solid .


Putting back all the components + some sort of cable management
Had to move the sound card up one slot as the rad takes a A LOT OF SPACE!


Almost there now, will give the pipes some slack in the end, no worries Wink


DONE!, but I do need a bigger case for my next project no doubt!. TJ07 or... Smile


And finally the temps, 3.5 Ghz at 34C...now that is what I call HOME FREE!
Don't regret doing this one BIT!


And I bet I can take it higher, no prob.

But next project will include N/S bridge + Gracard...no doubt, but that is another story Wink

Cheers to Nakitu for encouraging me...in hes own surly way of course Wink
Cheers to swingman for the hints as to how to do stuff!!!!




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2007 02:31    Post subject:
nice aquarium u got there Razz
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