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towelie_swe




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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 16:42    Post subject: Computer freezing
Lately, my computer has started to freeze all together. It's happening all the time now, sometimes after the computer's been on for ten minutes and sometimes it's ok for several hours.
When it happens, I can't do nothing, the mouse won't move, the keyboard doesn't work, and everything on the screen stops.
Anyone recognise this? Help appreciated!!
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 17:02    Post subject:
do you hear your hd rattling or making funny noises?

Could be your harddisk, or perhaps your cpu,gpu are getting to hot. Check temperatures.


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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 17:07    Post subject:
Specs please and how long ago did you install Windows? Do you have the latest drivers ? Have you checked all fans etc? Virus scan etc etc. A lot at once but...could be any of the above.

Freeze ups is normally a sign of :
Virus
Overloaded CPU
Not enough RAM
Corrupt OS
Software Bug
bla bla...could be alot man.


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towelie_swe




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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 19:36    Post subject:
Sorry, was in a bit of a hurry when I posted

My specs:
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
AMD Athlon 64 3800+
Geforce 7900 GS
2*1024 mb Kingston Ram.
Seagate hdd, 120 GB

Was about a month ago that I installed Windows. I have MacAffee virus scan up to date and Search & Destroy spyware remover up to date. All drivers are updated as well.
My hdd is not making any strange noises. I just installed PC Probe to check my temperatures, will monitor them for a while now and post the results.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 19:58    Post subject:
update: Just had another freeze, my CPU temp. was 41 degrees C and MB was 44.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:09    Post subject:
WOW, thats totally normal temps man...you can not "alt,con,del" I guess to see what the CPU is doing when it happens ?
Have you tried another vir scan, like NOD32 or something.
How about gracard like skidrow said, do you have a temp monitor on that?
Also check your "Component Services" you can see warnings and stuff
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/snap_comp_exp.mspx?mfr=true
Check if you had any warning at the time of the freeze.
Only shooting wild here...


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towelie_swe




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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:17    Post subject:
the log didn't show any warning around the time. does NO32 monitor graphiccard temp? if not, could you recommend me another prog?
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:17    Post subject:
Try running a repair with your XP disc.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:20    Post subject:
No NOD 32 is just a very good vir scanner. Normally you have temp in your gracard software. Actually it should be installed with your driver. Right click anywhere on your desktop and you should see "Nvidia Control Panel" Then the temp is under 3-D settings




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towelie_swe




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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:21    Post subject:
GQ wrote:
Try running a repair with your XP disc.

I won't do that, because the last few times I've tried to repair XP it has just fucked it up even more forcing me to format. Not willing to take that chance like.
thnx anyway Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:24    Post subject:
I think this is not OS related...well could be. But somehow I smell a Virus or Hardware here...
EDIT: Have you opened your case and actually checked if " ALL!" your fans are running.
Also check this
http://www.techspot.com/vb/all/windows/t-22692-Windows-XP-Freezes-randomly-way-too-much.html

You could also try "Hijackthis" you need some knowelge in what you are looking at when running that.
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/programs.php

You could also try "Memtest" to check yor rams
http://hcidesign.com/memtest/


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towelie_swe




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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:43    Post subject:
Actually, my chip fan is not running! (i think that's what it's called. The one that is attached to the motherboard, located like at the same "height" as the gfx-card).

Edit: btw, my gfx temp is at 52 degrees.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:50    Post subject:
MAN! thats not good! thats what keeps your CPU cool! if that fails it might well be thats why. High temp will for sure slow down the PC and finally it will switch off...if your lucky, otherwise... well something like "Chernobyl" you get my drift Razz. Whats weird is that ur temps seemed to be OK. Have you moved the cable to see if its only the contact or brake in the wire? Whatever....if your PCU fan is not moving you need a NEW! one fast.

I don't know how much U know about hardware so forgive me if I am stating the bleeding obvious here.


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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:53    Post subject:
52 degrees with a Geforce 7900 GS....hmmm not to high but on the high side I would say. But again nothing unusual. If your CPU fan is not blowing it could also hlep pushing your GPU temps up a tad. I recon theese temps are "Idle" not under load, games apps etc.


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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:54    Post subject:
I know fuck all about hardware Laughing But as you said, my temp seems to be fine. Can't see any cables that might be fucking with things, though I wouldn't know for sure Razz

Just talked to my uncle, who knows a fair bit about these things, he said that he had some cooling device ( not a fan, something else) that I could have from him. Won't get it til next week probably though.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:56    Post subject:
CaptainCox wrote:
52 degrees with a Geforce 7900 GS....hmmm not to high but on the high side I would say. But again nothing unusual. If your CPU fan is not blowing it could also hlep pushing your GPU temps up a tad. I recon theese temps are "Idle" not under load, games apps etc.

The CPU and MB temps were while I was extracting, so the computer wasn't idle. The gfx is for idle though.

My CPU temp is around 36-37 when idle, btw.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 20:58    Post subject:
Well to get a CPU Cooler for that processor is not an expensive affair. Your looking at 20-30 Euro (180-290 Skr) something like that. And its not verry difficult to install. But if the fan is dead...well you need a new one, trust me!. And I am almost 99.9% sure thats ur problem with the freezes. I will have a look for fans...just a mo.
In German sorry, but they are for your CPU. http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/default.php?cPath=25_277_348
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/default.php?cPath=25_277_346
Best is probably to go to the Computer shop you normally go to and explain your problem and they will recommend you one. I would recommend a Zalman but. Could quality and good cooling.

However the freezes could be something else, but as i said if your CPU Heatsink "fan, cooler" don't work, YOU NEED! a new one 101%
Get that fixed 1st and see if the freezes stops, if not lets talk again Wink

Just a thought. Your temp is that low without the fan actually moving? do you have the lid of the case open when you got the last temp for the CPU?
And just my plausible explanation on this with the temp.
When you run idle i think the "other" fans in the case is enough to cool down the CPU, it also have some copper and stuff except the fan to cool it. BUT! when you do stuff, gaming and apps and stuff this is not enough, and the temp rises ( you can't measure then as the PC freezes) result freeze (to hot) the computer stops and it cools down slowly using the other fans in the case as I said. So when the temp reaches an acceptable level it kicks in again. That you read a low temp "now" might not have anything to do with the "actual" temp, well i am sure you understand what I mean.




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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 21:10    Post subject:
CaptainCox wrote:
Well to get a CPU Cooler for that processor is not an expensive affair. Your looking at 20-30 Euro (180-290 Skr) something like that. And its not verry difficult to install. But if the fan is dead...well you need a new one, trust me!. And I am almost 99.9% sure thats ur problem with the freezes. I will have a look for fans...just a mo.
In German sorry, but they are for your CPU. http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/default.php?cPath=25_277_348
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/default.php?cPath=25_277_346
Best is probably to go to the Computer shop you normally go to and explain your problem and they will recomend you one. I would recomend a Zalman but. Could quallity and good cooling.

However the freezes could be something else, but as i said if your CPU Heatsink "fan, cooler" don't work, YOU NEED! a new one 101%
Get that fixed 1st and see if the freezes stops, if not lets talk again Wink

Alright, thank you for your help, very much appreciated Smile Will be looking at new fans, as long as it doesn't ruin my plans for the X360 Laughing
thanks again
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Jan 2007 23:24    Post subject:
Wait a minute.

I used to have that board. He's not referring to the cpu heatsink fan, he's talking about the active cooling on the MCP. I had the same board, same fan died. It's a known issue with that board. ASUS gave away free replacements, but I couldn't be bothered waiting for them and replaced it with a vantec iceberq...worked perfectly and shaved off a few deg too.

This is the fan that stopped turning right?

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEwNDM0MDc1NDdpTHh4S3dpRXZfMV8xMV9sLmpwZw==

Ask your uncle to get you one of these:

http://vantecusa.com/p_ccb_a1c.html

Problem will be solved.
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jan 2007 00:03    Post subject:
Ahhh Razz never looked at what mobo etc. That would aslo explain the CPU temps beeing ok etc.


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towelie_swe




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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jan 2007 02:31    Post subject:
GQ wrote:
Wait a minute.

I used to have that board. He's not referring to the cpu heatsink fan, he's talking about the active cooling on the MCP. I had the same board, same fan died. It's a known issue with that board. ASUS gave away free replacements, but I couldn't be bothered waiting for them and replaced it with a vantec iceberq...worked perfectly and shaved off a few deg too.

This is the fan that stopped turning right?

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEwNDM0MDc1NDdpTHh4S3dpRXZfMV8xMV9sLmpwZw==

Ask your uncle to get you one of these:

http://vantecusa.com/p_ccb_a1c.html

Problem will be solved.

That's the fan alright, are you sure this will solve the problems though? I'm a bit confused, I must admit Razz
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jan 2007 08:20    Post subject:
towelie_swe wrote:
GQ wrote:
Wait a minute.

I used to have that board. He's not referring to the cpu heatsink fan, he's talking about the active cooling on the MCP. I had the same board, same fan died. It's a known issue with that board. ASUS gave away free replacements, but I couldn't be bothered waiting for them and replaced it with a vantec iceberq...worked perfectly and shaved off a few deg too.

This is the fan that stopped turning right?

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEwNDM0MDc1NDdpTHh4S3dpRXZfMV8xMV9sLmpwZw==

Ask your uncle to get you one of these:

http://vantecusa.com/p_ccb_a1c.html

Problem will be solved.

That's the fan alright, are you sure this will solve the problems though? I'm a bit confused, I must admit Razz


Absolutely. Your MCP or southbridge as it's normally referred to is overheating because the fan motor died.

You don't have to use the replacement I used, but it works great and only costs 12 bucks Canadian.
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Jan 2007 09:39    Post subject:
Check these out.
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/38623/?o=4400
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/635909.html
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=172903
Like GQ says its a known problem. Funny I had a A8N SLI Deluxe in my previous PC, almost a year and no prob, guess I was lucky Wink


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