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 Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006 16:04 Post subject: LCD screen |
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Hey,
I want to buy a 19'' MAG LCD screen with a response time of 8ms.
My only concern is the problem of playing games with it. I've heard that 'ghosting' occurs while playing fast-paced games. I want to hear your opinion about LCD screens and personal experience with them.
Thanks.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006 16:13 Post subject: |
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I've got two LCD screens. I think ghosting is a thing ogf the past. Although I'm a gamer I still prefer to play games on my 19" IIYAMA crt monitor.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006 17:00 Post subject: |
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I have 2 19" Hyundai 890A (8ms also, but they seemed to have better contrast and colour values than most of the other 19" I could find).. I use them in horozontal span mode so I can get 2560x1024 res in games and on my desktop..
I would not go back to my 19" IIYAMA crt.. I use that for my 360 now, and thats only because I cant be fussed to change my cable over everytime I want to use it..
The colours and contrast make for an amazing gaming experience, with no ghosting at that speed whatsoever.. 8ms and below is what you need for gaming though.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006 20:02 Post subject: |
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Consider getting the Dell 2407WFP revision A03 it's the best performing (and looking) lcd screen i've ever had the pleasure of looking at 
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006 21:30 Post subject: |
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Got a SAMSUNG SyncMaster 940Bf 2MS was around 400 bucks...now you get it for around 300. Great gaming screen for little money.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006 22:01 Post subject: |
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| CaptainCox wrote: | | Got a SAMSUNG SyncMaster 940Bf 2MS was around 400 bucks...now you get it for around 300. Great gaming screen for little money. |
Unfortunately both the 940bf and the 930b and bf are all TN panels which might be good for gaming but gives horrible colour reproduction, the most optimal panel for both video viewing, gaming and general work is the mva or P-mva panels they're also more expensive, but you get larger viewfield without tearing and better colours although they're not always as fast as good tn panels, having used a screen with p-mva panel for a year I couldn't get a tn panel as I found the colours to be "lackluster" at best compared to mva panel.
Theres also ips and S-ips panels which gives the hands down best colour reproduction but they're usually rather bad at any kind of fps gaming, most professional artists swear by them though.
it's kinda like a scale
Extreme gaming-------General Work/Video/Gaming----------Extreme Graphics/Professional photoshop/webdevelopment
TN--------------------------MVA PVA P-MVA S-PVA-----------------------SA-SFT IPS S-IPS
Least Expensive-------------------Midrange--------------------------------Very Expensive (eizo)
Theres a good index site http://axofiber.no-ip.org/inside/monitor.lcd.panels.htm it's a almost complete index over various panels in screens |
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006 22:54 Post subject: |
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Great site Epsilon!
I'm thinking of buying LG LCD 19 L1970HR, it has a response time of 2ms and a ratio of 1:2000.
That's what I can afford with my budget. I looked at reviews, and everybody say its a good screen.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006 23:22 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | I've got a Samsung 930B and it works GREEEEEAT! (insret tony's the tiger picture here) |
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006 23:23 Post subject: |
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I got a Samsung SyncMaster 930BF 19” awhile back and with 4ms response time, I dont experince ghosting, hightly recommended 
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Oct 2006 14:38 Post subject: |
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I had a Samsung 940BF for a day. Sent it back because of a constantly lit pixel in the middle of the screen.
Excellent for games, matched my CRT. But movies were a bit dull and watery looking, no where near my CRT.
I notice there's a 931BF now which looks the same spec as the 940BF but with a lot higher contrast ratio. Is this the only difference between the two? or is the 931BF different altogether? anyone?
I looked at that chart, but the specs keep changing for the same model number, for instance the 931BF is only lilsted as 700:1 contrast ratio, whereas it now has a 2000:1 contrast ratio. Similar to the 940BF which used to have a 4ms response time, but now has 2ms. confusing or what?
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Oct 2006 16:30 Post subject: |
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| beeno wrote: | I had a Samsung 940BF for a day. Sent it back because of a constantly lit pixel in the middle of the screen.
Excellent for games, matched my CRT. But movies were a bit dull and watery looking, no where near my CRT.
I notice there's a 931BF now which looks the same spec as the 940BF but with a lot higher contrast ratio. Is this the only difference between the two? or is the 931BF different altogether? anyone?
I looked at that chart, but the specs keep changing for the same model number, for instance the 931BF is only lilsted as 700:1 contrast ratio, whereas it now has a 2000:1 contrast ratio. Similar to the 940BF which used to have a 4ms response time, but now has 2ms. confusing or what? |
As I said earlier, stay away from tn if your gonna watch movies. |
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Oct 2006 18:56 Post subject: |
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I guess I do watch movies on my SAMSUNG 940BF 2ms, I must say its ok, not like the best but its really good enough if your not to picky. I use my PC for Gaming to ..lets say 80% so, well I am pretty happy. Though I bought it maybe like 7 months or so ago I am thinking about something bigger and wider  maybe for Xmas...well that is if Nvidia don't launch somet I just got to have...though they always do...around Xmas Oh and same goes for AMD, got to have it...if its good 
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Oct 2006 22:11 Post subject: |
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| CaptainCox wrote: | | I guess I do watch movies on my SAMSUNG 940BF 2ms, I must say its ok, not like the best but its really good enough if your not to picky. I use my PC for Gaming to ..lets say 80% so, well I am pretty happy. Though I bought it maybe like 7 months or so ago I am thinking about something bigger and wider maybe for Xmas...well that is if Nvidia don't launch somet I just got to have...though they always do...around Xmas Oh and same goes for AMD, got to have it...if its good |
XHD http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_extreme_hd_home.html get a dell 2407wfp or a 2007wfp |
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Oh yea baby! those sure will make any gamers heart warm! Cheers for the link.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Oct 2006 16:03 Post subject: |
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so what do you think about HP 17''
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Oct 2006 21:13 Post subject: |
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26" at 1280*768 for me....
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Oct 2006 21:26 Post subject: |
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HDTV's dont count. Not high enough res either unless it's 1080p screen.
I got a 18.1" @ 1280x1024 but I prefer using my laptop but the screen is only 1080x768. When I have a decent paying job gonna get myself a nice new laptop with big ass res screen.
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I have 2 SyncMaster 244T 24 inch wide screens in my office. Max Res is 1920x1200 and they have a response time of 6ms. i still see some ghosting from time to time. Not like the old 12ms moniters, but i do still see some ghosting. I havent gamed on them, but i still see ghosting in my 3d software.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Oct 2006 02:37 Post subject: |
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| Bigperm wrote: | | I have 2 SyncMaster 244T 24 inch wide screens in my office. Max Res is 1920x1200 and they have a response time of 6ms. i still see some ghosting from time to time. Not like the old 12ms moniters, but i do still see some ghosting. I havent gamed on them, but i still see ghosting in my 3d software. |
Nice setup!, they're like 700£ each though, the dell 2407 use the same panel (samsungs LTM240L2)
If someone is in the market for a 24 inc and can get either of these cheap, go for it, it's a very good screen and you'll likely be tired of it before it'll fail you |
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What is everyones experience regarding dead/stuck pixels? Are there any on your screen?
I got really put off buying one again, as the Samsung 940BF I had didn't seem that hot to me.
Every time I was gaming, pixels would be sticking all over. Most would go with a gentle rub, but one really bright one in the middle just wouldn't go away, and according to samsungs dead pixel policy it wasn't classed as returnable, even though it was horrendous to use.
Did I just get unlucky here, or do you all have similar experiences with dead pixels.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Oct 2006 15:08 Post subject: |
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| beeno wrote: | What is everyones experience regarding dead/stuck pixels? Are there any on your screen?
I got really put off buying one again, as the Samsung 940BF I had didn't seem that hot to me.
Every time I was gaming, pixels would be sticking all over. Most would go with a gentle rub, but one really bright one in the middle just wouldn't go away, and according to samsungs dead pixel policy it wasn't classed as returnable, even though it was horrendous to use.
Did I just get unlucky here, or do you all have similar experiences with dead pixels. |
You failed to research on panel technologies before making your purchase, tn panels are cheap and are more prone to production errors than other panels. |
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Oct 2006 18:07 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | beeno wrote: | What is everyones experience regarding dead/stuck pixels? Are there any on your screen?
I got really put off buying one again, as the Samsung 940BF I had didn't seem that hot to me.
Every time I was gaming, pixels would be sticking all over. Most would go with a gentle rub, but one really bright one in the middle just wouldn't go away, and according to samsungs dead pixel policy it wasn't classed as returnable, even though it was horrendous to use.
Did I just get unlucky here, or do you all have similar experiences with dead pixels. |
You failed to research on panel technologies before making your purchase, tn panels are cheap and are more prone to production errors than other panels. |
Agreed.
I knew nothing when I bought my 940BF. I thought that a 2ms response monitor would be the newest technology, therefore the least prone to defaults. How wrong I was.
So say I bought a SM244T 24" 6ms.
Can I expect no ghosting in games, excellent movie picture, and solid pixels.
I'm afraid to spend £700 unless I know it's going to have no dead pixels out the box, and stay that way. Because on a screen that size, there's an awful lot of dead ones allowed before being classed as faulty and returnable.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Oct 2006 19:52 Post subject: |
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| beeno wrote: | | Epsilon wrote: | | beeno wrote: | What is everyones experience regarding dead/stuck pixels? Are there any on your screen?
I got really put off buying one again, as the Samsung 940BF I had didn't seem that hot to me.
Every time I was gaming, pixels would be sticking all over. Most would go with a gentle rub, but one really bright one in the middle just wouldn't go away, and according to samsungs dead pixel policy it wasn't classed as returnable, even though it was horrendous to use.
Did I just get unlucky here, or do you all have similar experiences with dead pixels. |
You failed to research on panel technologies before making your purchase, tn panels are cheap and are more prone to production errors than other panels. |
Agreed.
I knew nothing when I bought my 940BF. I thought that a 2ms response monitor would be the newest technology, therefore the least prone to defaults. How wrong I was.
So say I bought a SM244T 24" 6ms.
Can I expect no ghosting in games, excellent movie picture, and solid pixels.
I'm afraid to spend £700 unless I know it's going to have no dead pixels out the box, and stay that way. Because on a screen that size, there's an awful lot of dead ones allowed before being classed as faulty and returnable. |
There will always be some ghosting if you move a small black object across a white background, thats the extremes though and I don't believe you will see any ghosting unless you get a faulty screen, if the screen is fault ie has a "lazy panel" then you're entitled to a new one by law. So no you shouldn't see any ghosting in games or movies.
If you get one dead pixel in the center of your screen your not entitled to a new one, if however you buy from a company who has a 7 day or longer money back guarantee then you should be home free.
Samsungs s-pva panels are the best, I can only see a slight smearing of the colors if I look at the screen from the side "compared to an s-ips panel" , but mostly your looking at a 90 degree angle anyway so thats hardly relevant. |
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Oct 2006 20:50 Post subject: |
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Im going to order a HP w19 for £149.. read reviews on it and it seems great for the price and people have tried playing fast paced games with it and reported no ghosting.
plus its widescreen which is a bonus as most new games seem to have widescreen options so Im guessing widescreen is the way to go now just like TV's, they are nearly all widescreen now as nearly all films are released in widescreen...
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