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upstart_69
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 Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 23:49 Post subject: Jagged Alliance 3 On the Horizon |
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 23:53 Post subject: |
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they BETTER get a good gfx engin, i dont wanna hear any gameplay is everything crap, the gfx on this game were so terrible they made baby jesus cry
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upstart_69
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 00:06 Post subject: |
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well i still say when they came out, the ja games had decent graphics. but at any rate they made up for it in some of the most kick-ass game voiceovers of all time. anyways i figure if the engine is as good or better than silent storm(an example of turn-based going 3d perfectly), as well as good-to-excellent voice acting, they will have a winner on their hands. time will tell though.
and hey if one turn-based franchise can make a decent comeback, why cant another *ahem* fallout *ahem*.
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 00:07 Post subject: |
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i want another fall out tactics man, that was the bomb
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 00:08 Post subject: |
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When the games came out the gfx were fine, imo. Looking forward to this. I hope they stay true to the game and its background.
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Bet
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 00:14 Post subject: |
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| upstart_69 wrote: |
and hey if one turn-based franchise can make a decent comeback, why cant another *ahem* fallout *ahem*. |
We've yet to see how this comeback turns out, remember. Although I have faith that Russians can do this right, I have no faith at all in humanity in general. This can be screwed up, and royally at that ;) Still, though, I'd like to see the nearly-complete Fallout 3 see the light of day...fucking Interplay. They need to die painfully for their sins against gamers.
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mYslead
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 00:28 Post subject: |
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Jagged Alliance 2 was AWESOME.
the graphic were nice.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 08:57 Post subject: |
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The original JA was the best, with the russian Ivan it was the real game.shame they changed his voice to english in JA2.Sounds good, I hope they will stick to the older formula and only improve the gfx.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 09:31 Post subject: |
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They should use Silent Storm's engine. Such an awesome game.
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Sayko
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 10:43 Post subject: |
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| KleptoZ wrote: | | They should use Silent Storm's engine. Such an awesome game. |
i second that! Silent Storm + Jagged Alliance = ohmygod
to bad that 'MiST Land' developed ultracraptastic 'Paradise Cracked'.. i got bad feeling about this.. hope i'm wrong..
I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 12:28 Post subject: |
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Are you sure it's the same Dev? Paradise Cracked was pure shit, I hope they won't screw it up, or worse use Paradise engine for this game.
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Sayko
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 13:34 Post subject: |
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| Clevesa wrote: | | Are you sure it's the same Dev? Paradise Cracked was pure shit, I hope they won't screw it up, or worse use Paradise engine for this game. |
Yes.. i'm sure..
taken from Gameshell news:
"MiST Land South, Game Factory Interactive's Russian studio, will be assigned the job of developping Jagged Alliance 3D......"
and from "Paradise Cracked" Gamespot review:
"That's the kindest way to sum up Paradise Cracked, a turn-based strategy game in the tradition of X-COM from Russian developer Mist Land."
I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 13:40 Post subject: |
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Sayko
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004 08:58 Post subject: |
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new info:
http://www.rpgcodex.com/index.php#2513
| Quote: | JA3D will use an updated graphical engine of Alfa: Antiterror, MISTland's other tactical game. However, AI and other game logic will be developed from scratch.
The project leader will be Yaroslav Astakhov, who is also the project leader for Alfa.
Tactical features of JA2, such as movement, shooting, concealment, etc., will be preserved and even expanded.
JA3D will not be turn-based outside combat like Paradise Cracked
The weapons list will be expanded compared to UB. More heavy weapons are promised, but sci-fi weapons, like rocket rifles, are not planned.
Strategy First has considerable creative control over the project
The emphasis of this project will be on great looks and entertainment, as opposed to being aimed at the most hard-core fans (Wildfire was cited as an example of the latter).
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it doesn't sounds bad...
here you can look at ALFA: Antiterror
I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004 09:26 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004 10:20 Post subject: |
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| Sayko wrote: | new info:
The emphasis of this project will be on great looks and entertainment, as opposed to being aimed at the most hard-core fans (Wildfire was cited as an example of the latter).
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Oh great! Maybe they should release it on consoles first! AWESOME!
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Sayko
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004 11:29 Post subject: |
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| KleptoZ wrote: | | Oh great! Maybe they should release it on consoles first! AWESOME! |
<scared> don't give them that idea... please don't! </scared>
I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004 15:22 Post subject: |
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If they released it on console first it would be an instagib for sure. Lets see a good port... other than KOTOR and MAYBE i wont doubt all ports.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004 15:38 Post subject: |
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Even a good port is still limited by the weak technology of the console. You can't possibly have a complicated strategy game on a console.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004 16:24 Post subject: |
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JA on console? only a stupid fuck dev can think about that...
Games like JA are for PC only!
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upstart_69
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 10:27 Post subject: |
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Shit though, that statement about entertainment and not aimed at hardcore fans has me at a loss... why pick up a franchise if you arent going to give the hardcore JA fans what they crave? Who are the ones who will be driving the sales anyways..
Now I am also beginning to be a bit skeptical of their plans..
Hopefully, wishfully, mercifully, this wont be a repeat of...dare i say it...the ufo: aftermath travesty? where turn-based strategy was scrapped for 'entertainment' purposes as well...
well if greedy devs/pubs screw this one up, theres gonna be some blood to spill... 
I know most JA 'hardcore fans' i talk to are very much gun-enthusiasts and ex-military...So strategy first better behave with this one...
or else.. 
However, I did like the part about no sci-fi weapons. One of my only pet-peeves with Silent Storm, brilliant game that it was, was that the laser weapons and whatnot dominated the game in the end and took away the authentic feel everything else had. Same with the rocket rifles in JA2, to a lesser extent.
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HubU
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 10:42 Post subject: |
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Aaah Jagged ! Godn it was a real good game...
JESUS K-RIST
Ps: Silent Storm was real nice, but I hated those sci-fi robots and that kind of stupidities...
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." ~Berthold Auerbach
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mYslead
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 17:24 Post subject: |
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| Clevesa wrote: | | The original JA was the best, with the russian Ivan it was the real game.shame they changed his voice to english in JA2.Sounds good, I hope they will stick to the older formula and only improve the gfx. |
it's actually the same guy.
but Ivan learned english a little but still talks russian
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mYslead
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 17:30 Post subject: |
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| Sayko wrote: | | KleptoZ wrote: | | They should use Silent Storm's engine. Such an awesome game. |
i second that! Silent Storm + Jagged Alliance = ohmygod
to bad that 'MiST Land' developed ultracraptastic 'Paradise Cracked'.. i got bad feeling about this.. hope i'm wrong.. |
they are working on Jagged Alliance 3D not Jagged Alliance 3
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Sayko
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 20:33 Post subject: |
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| mYslead wrote: | | they are working on Jagged Alliance 3D not Jagged Alliance 3 |
no
they are working on both new Jagged Alliance games:
Jagged Alliance 3 - http://snipurl.com/715s
Jagged Alliance 3d - http://snipurl.com/715t
I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
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upstart_69
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 22:26 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Hi all, too many questions at the same time! Yes I am directly involved in this project. I have even had some involvement in the original game and have known Ian since then.
1-2 year(s) development for this game makes no sense. We are not talking about a simple sequel or add on. 2.5-3 years makes more sense.
The turn based system has to be retained and improved. There might be some evolution on the tactical side of things to allow a more fluid and engaging multiplayer experience, which is something that Me and others are looking at currently.
So, when can this be bought? When it's ready. There is no set date as we are way too early in the process.
At this point, all I can say beyond this is that there are 2 games being worked on that are related to the JA franchise.
Nothing to worry about DiAnna. This tactical system evolution would be more a multiplayer related mode of play.
There is a problem when considering multiplayer for turn base systems. This problem is the amount of time that it takes before it is your turn again. If we are to have a multiplayer mode for JA3, something has to be done about that. Same for Disciples.
This being said, dumbing down the single player tactical system to support variations for multiplayer gaming is out of the question. Adding options on how the multiplayer is dealt with is a must though.
Consider just this possibility:
An additional initiative factor based on certain stats, the amount of unused movement points in the previous turn and the health state of a merc or player character could be used to create an initiative based 'unit turn' instead of a 'whole team turn' in multiplayer. This is an example of how you can cut down on the impression of down time a player must support while waiting for his turn, since everybody gets to play more often but for shorter periods. (In other words, all units get 'their' turn and not necessarily all at the same time as opposed to a player getting 'his' turn and moving all his units around in that turn). One advantage of such a system is that the order of initiative in the turn (who gets to play in which order) is variable in that it depends on units being injured or not or having saved their moves or not. (Saving your movement points would give you initiative points for the next turn unless they were used up during an interrupt sequence).
There is also the possibility of having a timer option in multiplayer so that every unit has a certain amount of time to decide what he will do.
There are also more possibilities. The idea is to get an optional set of rules that would be available for multiplayer purposes and let the players decide if they want to play that way or if they prefer playing the way they were used to.
About other remarks, well I don't understand why people would be against having options if the game does not disallow playing with the classic rules.
Btw again, these possible options are not there to replace the single player gameplay, they are there to enhance multiplayer. |
sorry, long quote, but right from the horses mouth, Richard Therrien, a VP of SF who will be directly overseeing development of both games. He posted this reply in the official forums. This puts me a bit at easy as far as the game mechanics go. Don't know how exactly the MP component will go, but seems like they realize the basic formula behind JA in the SP mode shouldn't be touched. Also knowing someone close to Ian is working on the project puts me more at ease. Though it would be awesome if the whole former sir-tech team were to get hired on the project, especially Shaun Lyng, who worked with the Silent Storm team.. but all in all, sounds promising, if only it weren't so far away.. it's gonna be a long 3 yrs of waiting patiently...
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mYslead
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004 06:54 Post subject: |
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didn't Shaun Lyng only worked on the dialogues of Silent Storm
and you know how cheesy the dialogue of silent storm is
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004 08:56 Post subject: |
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"It smarts, but I'll be alright"..
AHHHHHHH!!!
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