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 Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 05:10 Post subject: Should religion be discussed here. |
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It is a no win argument, and the mods don't help, they are just as bias.
Seems like it is OK to trash Jews and Christians, but don't touch Muslims.
Why is that?
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 05:13 Post subject: |
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Jesus is a cocksucker.
Mohammed is an asshole.
God is a fucking lie.
Any questions?
The only talk about religion here should be to expose it for the bullshit it is.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 05:17 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | Jesus is a cocksucker.
Mohammed is an asshole.
God is a fucking lie.
Any questions?
The only talk about religion here should be to expose it for the bullshit it is. |
Racism is against the rules. So why even let it get started? |
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nouseforaname
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Scaramanga
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 07:31 Post subject: |
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Its ok to critisize religions yourgod though know the freakin history before doing so.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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deelix
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 09:19 Post subject: |
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In denmark they believe in the booze
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[sYn]
[Moderator] Elitist
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 09:39 Post subject: |
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Religion is allowed to be discussed here so long as that discussion is taken from an intelligent stand point. We will not tollerate racism of ANY kind towards ANY religion or group of people if it has the sole purpose of being offensive. We are belivers in freedom of speach, so allowing comments to made about differing religions will never be disallowed, however it is often a fine line.
People do need to remember that the mod's job is not an easy one in cases like these, as what one person may see as an idle comment could very well be seen as a mindless insult to another. Going forward any religious statement used to belidle or harm, without any prior reasoning (thread topic for example) will be taken as a racist remark and will no doubt lead to the user in question getting a temp ban (leading to a more perminant answer for multiple offenses).
We will not allow racisim or homophobic behaviour on the forum aimed at ANY religion, should it be seen, USE THE REPORT POST BUTTON.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 10:04 Post subject: |
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I banned you yourgod. For a whole two hours. I'll ban anyone maligning anyone elses religion be it of any faith. This site caters for all creeds and colours. What's the point of alienating whole groups of people that you don't know.Jjust because you have a given standpoint on where they believe they're going in the afterlife should one exist.
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deelix
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 10:34 Post subject: |
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Without going any futher with this, there may be an answer to YourGods question. But it sounds to sarcastic.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 22:39 Post subject: |
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I think the topic of religion should be read with discretion
If your a sensitive person or someone who believes devoutly in whatever religion, i dont think a person such as that should read some of the discussions we have.
I could care less how someone speaks of any god, including ones I may worship. Its opinion and if u want to think im stupid/crazy/weird for believing in what I do, then well, thats cool and its allowed but fuck yourself you know?
What bothers me is when, on rare occasions, we get those religious fanatics who think the Bible and Christ (or Koran and Mohammed) are actually factual and argue based on that "fact".
Its incredibly annoying. No one religion is totally correct, and taking a biased stance to any one religion starts alot of the arguements.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 23:04 Post subject: |
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It would all work fine if the mods were completely fair. But since ( some ) can't, then maybe it should be off limits.
I don't care what affiliations people have, but it is sad when people get banned for dislike of certain religions, but not others.
Insult Jews, insult Christan's, but don't insult Islam.
Seems like the rule of thumb. 
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Grees
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 23:13 Post subject: |
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Ofcourse should religion be discussed here.
How else am I gonna get my postcount?
Making crappy meaningless topics in Useless Void? Pfff
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 00:33 Post subject: |
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the problem is that we want to tolerate free speech, BUT almost every time you (yourgod) 4me2 and a few others post or reply to a thread that has to do with Islam or violence from Islam these comments are ALWAYS attached :
' OH yah religion of peace right"
"oh no now they gonna bomb them too"
" they'll declare jihad on milk now"
"what a barbaric religion"
so on and so on, total provocative tone and that causes people to reply with something, and you reply and discussion gets more heated...
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 00:39 Post subject: |
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SJ is always anti-Jewish, so that got him VIP? And we all know the others.
and you aren't a mod with the problem.
We respond because some people always post their hate propaganda and get away with it.
Tit for tat.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 07:49 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | the problem is that we want to tolerate free speech, BUT almost every time you (yourgod) 4me2 and a few others post or reply to a thread that has to do with Islam or violence from Islam these comments are ALWAYS attached :
' OH yah religion of peace right"
"oh no now they gonna bomb them too"
" they'll declare jihad on milk now"
"what a barbaric religion"
so on and so on, total provocative tone and that causes people to reply with something, and you reply and discussion gets more heated... |
I agree with you Max, but it's not the whole truth. There are other topics wich automatically generate the same comments just in another direction, yet they get treated differently by the mods.
for example topics about Isreal. As soon as you see a topic about Isreal you see posts like
- Zionist motherfuckers (even in the Sexy Selections about an Israeli girl, i reported it but nothing happened)
- Bomb them all and we have peace in the middle east
- they should all die etc...
The second topic is america, as soon as you see a thread title about the US you can read comments like
- they are all fat ugly assholes
- good that these soldiers die
- americans are all stupid etc..
These two topics get treated differently than the islamic faith here, i'm sure i'm not the only one who noticed that. I made a post about the sport of bashing on the US in the vip section and the answer was that it's all under the protection of freedom of speech. Don't you think that all discussions about certain topics/faiths/countrys should be moderated equally. You mentioned some users who always reply in a certain manner if it comes to islamic topics, i could name you some members who always provoke or flame right away if it comes to Isreal/Jews or the US.
I'm Catholic but not very religious, but i was a little bit offended by some of the bible threads here. If you start a stricter moderation on islamic topics you should do so too on christian topics, just because christian faith is more liberal doesn't mean people are more entitled to bash on it, fair treatment to all relgions!
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Grees
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 10:47 Post subject: |
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Oh I dont know about that, when it comes to bashing in Isreali or US topics, its about Americans and Isreali's, their politics and actions, not necessarily about Christianity or Judaism. Even most of the insults that you named up doesnt really has anything to do with religion.
But whenever people talk about muslims the subject of their religion is bound to come up since their politics and their actions are most of the time about how their religion is being treated, not to mention the terrorists that use Islam to justify everything.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 13:08 Post subject: |
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The moderation isn't consistant, it's as simple as that.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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fisk
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 13:17 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | The moderation isn't consistant, it's as simple as that. |
I think it's called "being human".
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 13:21 Post subject: |
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| whoKnows wrote: |
- Zionist motherfuckers (even in the Sexy Selections about an Israeli girl, i reported it but nothing happened)
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I've now deleted those. I'm sure you can understand that I hardly look in the sexy selection forum. |
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 13:25 Post subject: |
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| whoKnows wrote: |
- Zionist motherfuckers (even in the Sexy Selections about an Israeli girl, i reported it but nothing happened)
- Bomb them all and we have peace in the middle east
- they should all die etc...
- they are all fat ugly assholes
- good that these soldiers die
- americans are all stupid etc..
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you must be joking.. i can safely say i have seen those types of comments maybe a few times in total and me and other mods have always warned or banned people who say stuff to that extreme.. please find me these posts and give em to me... even when yourgod brings up posts to my view i always act on it...
secondly the difference between free speech and provocation is clear in my thread about 101 issues with the bible... i never bad mouthed it in the post, i didn't name call, i didn't make fun of the followers, i simply posted the material and let people judge for themselves... THAT is how it should be, to post a thread about let say a beheading in iraq and add this " fucknig Muslim savages, kill them all" is not the way to go.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 15:43 Post subject: |
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Ok Max, i'll send you a pm the next time i'll notice something, and i wasn't referring to your bible thread in specific.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 15:51 Post subject: |
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| whoKnows wrote: | | Ok Max, i'll send you a pm the next time i'll notice something, and i wasn't referring to your bible thread in specific. |
Most of the time we get the reports, it does depend on the time of day sent though as we're not always in IRC.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 16:05 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | The moderation isn't consistant, it's as simple as that. |
I think it's called "being human". |
I don't mean for each moderator, I mean for the team as a whole. They should set out rules and all enforce them fairly, not have a banning dependent on which moderator decides to read your post.
I mean, in the end they moderate so that it creates a better environment for us members. But if lots of members complain about someone being banned, does that not mean that the banning was probably unwarrented, or at least overzealous?
Sometimes I think that the moderators forget that a forum is all about it's members, they're not moderating for themselves. They're moderating so that the members don't feel intimidated about posting here, and that the site doesn't encourage racist or defamatory behaviour.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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[sYn]
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ollax
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 17:16 Post subject: |
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Clearly we need to make a distinction here!
Islam is not a race it is a religion.
Therefore you can critisise it all you want!
Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most!
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 18:10 Post subject: |
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Thats why i try and avoid any sort of religeous, or political talk. It always tends to end up heated. Its kinda like you dont go into someones house and try and talk about religeon or politics, becasue these ideas and ideals people take so personally and beleve so strongly that eventually it will become a bad arguement.
Its kinda why i never posted in any of the Canadian election threads. Im the only one from Alberta, so you the rest of the canadians obviously knew who i voted for. But there was no need to try and start a debate about it, becasue it would just end up bad. People would get mad, offended, and what not. And i dont think anyone would have really changed there stance on the issue; no matter ho sound the argument.
But if punishment is going to be given, it should be on a level playing field. I have seen many more rude, and arogent comments towards the USA and there beliefs than any other nation on this forum. And nothing is done. But i see a few coments on more touchy areas of the world, and there belief systems, and bans are flying left and right.
Its just a raceist to treat one group as more sensitive to abusive comments than another group.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 18:18 Post subject: |
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There is a big difference between criticism (which requires analysis of factual information) and insult (which is a statement made based on person views with the intention of causing hurt/anger/pain/annoyance.)... Learn the above, and no one needs to be banned.
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, the thread is still here right? and I can assure you that since its creation it has been (and is still being) discussed by the mods.
