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Baleur
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Wow so USA has plenty of stuff to play with, cash or research blahblah etc etc..
I love that, i love that in countries, i love power mmmmkay? I love financial power, because that equals military power, and that equals POWER.
But i hate how its achieved in USA.
Surely these arnt the main reasons, but if you do the math they add up to HELL OF ALOT OF MONEY..
For simplicitys sake lets compare USA to my country, Sweden, which dont have a very good economy, yet we have more healthy people %-wise, and some other good things the US doesnt have, which i think do contribute quite a bit to the US economy.
Health care, you'll die in the US if you dont have money, because you wont afford the treatment, whereas in sweden all you need is a life insurance, and you'r set to go for 100 years.
Plenty of money the US goverment dont have to spend on this.
School. ok so in sweden you gotta get to your school yourself, no school buses at all.
You do however get 100% free food in school in sweden, and since the goverment pays for the food, it isnt hamburgers or pizza, because there is no need to generate interest, since there is no cash to be made, almost only healthy good old household food.
School in USA, ok now you do get rides to school, but are they free? I dunno so i wont comment, but i will definetly comment on this, your children have to BUY the food in the school, and since the school actually SELLS food, to very very many hungry children, what children want = big bucks.
So every little fat child eats hamburgers, pizza and candy in school every single day with the money their mommy gave them. Yes there are always exceptions, im just generalising here or i could go on for hours.
And then, when their children are FAT, the parents have the nerve and obscene arrogance to BLAME SOCIETY, when they gave their children money for that school cafeteria crap.
Then again, its the country's fault in one sense, since it wont supply the food, all those children, all that food, imagine the costs..
Well thats just my rant, im so sick of idiotic people blaming the society for everything, and at the same time im so sick of everyone looking up to USA as a god or something, there is way better living conditions in Sweden just as an example, the big reason why USA have managed to expand and grow so huge, is because central issues that is needed for a society to function well is completely ignored, and the money saved and used on development instead.
And please, dont even get me started on the fact that more than half (it seems anyway) hardly even know how the Earth looks. "um, the equator, is that in germany?"
Sure, flame me if u like 
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drakgon
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Esel_Gesi
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 00:45 Post subject: |
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Do you think that if you are unconcious from something, lets say a car accident, that they wont treat you at the hospital in the USA until you wake up and prove that you have insurance or show them your bank statement proving you have the cash to pay it?
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Baleur
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 01:01 Post subject: |
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No, thats even worse, i dont wanna be unconcious, i wanna tell the fuckers that i dont want your stinking medical care, i want my money!
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drakgon
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 01:10 Post subject: |
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well in the uk going private is extortianatly high priced. the cheapest thing my dad does is about 300 quid and that takes him no more than 10 mnutes per patient. its not much of a choice and that is why it is so difficult to go private in the uk.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 01:51 Post subject: |
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Americans don't care how a little country like Sweden runs it country, there is no comparison.
We don't even know you exist, so why would we care how you feel about us.
Care about yourselves, and stopping trying to make yourself look better in comparison to the US.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 02:07 Post subject: |
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| drakgon wrote: | | well in the uk going private is extortianatly high priced. the cheapest thing my dad does is about 300 quid and that takes him no more than 10 mnutes per patient. its not much of a choice and that is why it is so difficult to go private in the uk. |
Maybe it's your father who's extortionate, and not the system. Whats he doing, botox?
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manwithplanxyz
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 02:25 Post subject: |
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| PlayboyHef wrote: | Americans don't care how a little country like Sweden runs it country, there is no comparison.
We don't even know you exist, so why would we care how you feel about us.
Care about yourselves, and stopping trying to make yourself look better in comparison to the US.
I DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL AMERICANS I AM JUST DUMB |
stfu except for that last part 
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drakgon
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 02:42 Post subject: |
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So what does he do that takes 10 minutes?
As for private doctors, many of them run their own surgeries, so they set the prices. There was nothing stupid about my statement.
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drakgon
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 02:46 Post subject: |
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echocardiograms, takes about 10 minutes. i was with him on work experience and saw him do it in about 2-3-4 minutes but i'm adding in time taken to asses as well, though that maybe slightly longer not much though.
also sorry was a bit harsh there, just you dont really know what your talking about when you say the only thing thatll cost 300 quid or more is botox.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 03:09 Post subject: |
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| drakgon wrote: |
also sorry was a bit harsh there, just you dont really know what your talking about when you say the only thing thatll cost 300 quid or more is botox. |
I never said it was the only thing though did I. I asked a question. It's just that today it's quite a common procedure, and can cost in the region of £300 while only taking 10 minutes.
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javlar
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 04:00 Post subject: Re: USA's economy in a nutshell |
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| Baleur wrote: |
School. ok so in sweden you gotta get to your school yourself, no school buses at all. |
Yes we do, depends where you live though. During grades 1 to 9 as well as highschool (gymnasiet) the schools have to pay for bussing the students to school if they live more than 2.5 km from the school-area. It might be different in some countys (kommuner  ) but i dont think so.
Nice rant btw Baleur.
My two cents on USA:
USA is the same as a really bratty rich person. You hate them but you want all the cool stuff they have. 
But honestly you cant generalize about America, it would be the same as generalizing about the whole of Europe. It's too big. The two main reasons alot of people "hate" America are:
1. The general idea of the country is that which is portrayed in movies and tv-shows.
2. Its politics which the people themselves really can't do much about.
All the emo-kids who are saying stuff like "Man i hate americans" dont know shit. The country itself has alot of flaws but so does any other country. But generalizing about the people is just silly.
Oh and Baleur i dont mean that you're generazling about the people. I see your point and it's pretty good.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 06:17 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | drakgon wrote: | | Quote: | | Sure, flame me if u like |
what are you joking on nforce. half the ppl here are from sweden in the first place.
anyway there's good and bad in every society, here in britain we have free healthcare, yet we have waiting lists on things as vital as engoplasties (sp?) of 3 months unless critical.
in the US you have to pay but at least you know it would have been done in a timely and eficient maner cause that is what the private sector needs to keep its customers. Americans complain about not having free healthcare and brits complain how shit the nhs is considering how socialist the system is.
though i totally agree with the blame issue, that is just plain retarded, you killed yourself you dumb fat smoking fuck.  |
You can go private in the UK too. The main difference between the Uk and the US is that you have a choice. |
I was about to ask that about the UK - the choice between private and public. Cuz here in Canada, right now, we have free health care for everyone but long ass lines for serious procedures - critical or not ya know? The conservatives are pushing for duel healthcare where if say I need a kidney, if i have the money, i can go private and buy it and skip the wait and if i dont, i still can get on the government list. The arguement here is that by creating a private sector, ur taking away all incentive to work in the public sector. We lose alot of doctor's and nurses to the US because their is more money to be made already.
The conservatives contend however, that by adding a private sector, they will cut the public waits in half as they figure half the ppl waiting for a heart, kidney, liver etc transplant (or some other major procedure) can afford to go private.
Anyway, my question is, how is this working out in the UK? cuz its always being said by the conservatives to go the "way of the UK" and this shit...personally, when it comes to canadian politics and ideas, i and canada wouldnt/doesnt trust the conservatives for a second...hence the reason they havent been in power since their last representive (Brian Mulroney - i dunno if i spelt his last name right) fucked us over in the early 90's...
See, I think politics or discussion of the sort is fun and interesting between "regular" ppl...once u throw everyone in a suit and give them a title, it goes to shit....
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 06:27 Post subject: |
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| manwithplanxyz wrote: | | PlayboyHef wrote: | Americans don't care how a little country like Sweden runs it country, there is no comparison.
We don't even know you exist, so why would we care how you feel about us.
Care about yourselves, and stopping trying to make yourself look better in comparison to the US.
I DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL AMERICANS I AM JUST DUMB |
stfu except for that last part |
U know, this isnt meant in a mean or mocking way, but u americans are very touchy.
Like ive said before, when ppl bash americans, they're really bashing the american government, financial etc system - as oppose to the ppl themselves.
I agree, if someone attacks the american ppl in a generalized way, of course say something, stick up for urself....thats to be expected.
What I dont understand is why americans have the hardest time admitting their government, their current government, is fucked up and doesn't give two flying fucks about the ppl of America, let alone the ppl of any other country (iraq, afghanistan anyone?). Im no fan of Clinton either, but shit, Canada and the US (as when it comes down to trade and making money, we need each other) prospered, the world was...not safe by any means, but calmer i'd say. In the 5 years or whatever bush has been in power, the US has gone through a few terrorist attacks (anyone remember the anthrax being sent to government officials?), a economic recession, world opinion and rating of the US has been severly decreased (when all Clinton did was try to build the US's rep) and just generalized bad shit has happened - with the result of Katrina a current, prime example. Why defend a government a like that?...a corrupt government.
Bush is an idiot when it comes to business and that's what the US presidency has basically turned into in my opinion. He ran numerous companies into the ground and now he's doing the same with the entire country. Sure, he can sign these billion dollar initatives and shit, but dont the american ppl realise the amount of debt he's putting the country in? which will only mean harder times for the economy and ppl, which means a recession.
Anyway, it just baffles me that the American ppl actually still stick by a government which has done nothing but fuck them over time and time again.
Edit - think of it this way (good portrayl of what bush has done). in or around 94 and such, the Canadian dollar was at like .65 cents compared to the american dollar...now, were close to 90 cents and gaining still. Isnt it evident that through bush's actions (in just 5 years to boot) the american dollar has decreased in value alot? I dunno, i wouldnt support a president like that
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drakgon
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 06:39 Post subject: |
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| drakgon wrote: | ppl who have money go private ..... though they are often conected to doc's anyway who give them preferential treatment in the NHS.
all the money going to nhs aint getting more docs but more managers and more pissed off docs wishing they were in the US.
the only reason the concervatives are saying to go UK is cause we are basically your father and you guys dont wanna admit your mother was france |
hahaha god, dont remind me....I dont mind having british roots (cuz my mom is like pure canadian - traced it back to a french woman and a english guy imigrated here in the 1800's or something that like, before the 1812 war), but the french make me sick...no disrespect to any France frenchmen, but only to those who are french canadian...and are sepratist...fuckin treason commiting mother fuckers.
The reason i bring this up, the whole Quebec wanting to be its own independent country but still recieve all the canadian benefits it does now and some american benefits (fuckin dreamers eh?), is cuz well, u reminded me of it and ppl seemed to be gettin stirred up in quebec again and are talking another reforrendum (lol i tried to spell it) - which in my opinion is treason and they should all be arrested and shipped over to france...since France did support the last reforrendum in 95...I swear, Canada is the only country in the world that would tolerate that kinda bullshit...lol imagine New York saying it wanted to become an independent country - the US would say sure, then invade them
What do we here in canada do? have a fuckin vote.....crackheaded government...
Its like that joke
If an American is pissed off at something, they grab their gun and deal with it
If a Canadian has a problem, we grab our pens and write a mean letter....its so true to 
We need a hardliner as a Prime Minister, not some guy who looks like hes spaced on percs....
I do envy the US in some ways...much tougher stance when it comes to nationalism, which I applaud.
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drakgon
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 06:51 Post subject: |
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i know what you mean ..... nationalism in some countries is the worst thing ..... it causes them to make stupid decisions and also be far less tolerant of other ppl's.
eg. georgia has been ruined since it left the soviets, and why the hell did they wana leave, cause they were erm georgian..... now they dont even have warm water or heating in most places.
and lol never heard of the whole quebec thing before i whent on nforce..... sounds like a disaster...... third world countries wont bow to that shit.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 07:19 Post subject: |
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| drakgon wrote: | i know what you mean ..... nationalism in some countries is the worst thing ..... it causes them to make stupid decisions and also be far less tolerant of other ppl's.
eg. georgia has been ruined since it left the soviets, and why the hell did they wana leave, cause they were erm georgian..... now they dont even have warm water or heating in most places.
and lol never heard of the whole quebec thing before i whent on nforce..... sounds like a disaster...... third world countries wont bow to that shit. |
Damn, really? It was a big thing 10 years ago. Thats what Im saying still...basically, they said english canada wasnt respecting french canada (1 fuckin province)...we already have french as a second official language. In english provinces we have duel french/egnlish signs on highways and important shit and iin resturants etc any place u can think of. yet most of quebec (exluding the big cities) have only french signs.
Imo, they are fuckin treason commiting terrorist's
Its sad because we have 3 different kinds of "canadian identity" i think. We have the french, the english (westerners and easterners), then we have the 2 central provinces which are more american if anything (manitoba and ontario, not so much manitoba, but ontario for sure as we are the biggest province in terms of residents and we have the biggest city - Toronto and capital city of canada - Ottawa - more commercialism).
We need someone in power who basically says to the quebecers, ur canadian, if u dont like it, move. We also need a descisive government, not one who flip flops from day to day...
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 16:31 Post subject: Hmmm... |
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| Quote: | | Health care, you'll die in the US if you dont have money, because you wont afford the treatment, whereas in sweden all you need is a life insurance, and you'r set to go for 100 years. |
Completely untrue. In the US, if you dont have money, you will still get treatment. If your income level is below a certain level, the hospital and doctors will write off the cost of the procedure. If you need a prescription, all pharmaceutical companies have low income programs.
| Quote: | | School in USA, ok now you do get rides to school, but are they free? I dunno so i wont comment, but i will definetly comment on this, your children have to BUY the food in the school, and since the school actually SELLS food, to very very many hungry children, what children want = big bucks. |
Nothing is free.. I'll touch on that in a few minutes.. Not all schools offer free busing. A lot of it depends on how close you live to the school.
There are also free lunch programs for low income familiies. Those programs have been in place for 40+ years now. As to the quality of the food. I agree with you that it could be better. However, what do you think a kid is going to buy faced with good old home cooked food or McDonalds?? Schools offer both types of food these days. Its the kids choice to blow their money on the junk food..
Now, as to the free health care and free food in school and the other free things the Swedish gov't offers.. Where do you think that money comes from? It doesnt grow on trees. Not even in Sweden. It comes from the amazingly high taxes that you pay in Sweden, which is the most highly taxed country in the world. So, you're saying free is a good thing. However, There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. If you got it for free, someone, somewhere paid for it. Whether through taxes or donations or out of the kindness of their hearts, it cost someone some money somewhere. http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/tax/basics/9196.asp
Now, which way is better? I guess that depends on your point of view.. I disagree with the socialist system, personally. I'm not even going to fall for the 'which country is better' flamebait. You've probably never been to the US, and I've never been to Sweden. So, all we know about each others' countries is what we see on TV and read on the net. Most of which is bullshit anyways. A valid opinion cannot be reached unless one visits that country and spends some time living there.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 17:14 Post subject: Re: Hmmm... |
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| derwood wrote: | | Quote: | | Health care, you'll die in the US if you dont have money, because you wont afford the treatment, whereas in sweden all you need is a life insurance, and you'r set to go for 100 years. |
Completely untrue. In the US, if you dont have money, you will still get treatment. If your income level is below a certain level, the hospital and doctors will write off the cost of the procedure. If you need a prescription, all pharmaceutical companies have low income programs.
| Quote: | | School in USA, ok now you do get rides to school, but are they free? I dunno so i wont comment, but i will definetly comment on this, your children have to BUY the food in the school, and since the school actually SELLS food, to very very many hungry children, what children want = big bucks. |
Nothing is free.. I'll touch on that in a few minutes.. Not all schools offer free busing. A lot of it depends on how close you live to the school.
There are also free lunch programs for low income familiies. Those programs have been in place for 40+ years now. As to the quality of the food. I agree with you that it could be better. However, what do you think a kid is going to buy faced with good old home cooked food or McDonalds?? Schools offer both types of food these days. Its the kids choice to blow their money on the junk food..
Now, as to the free health care and free food in school and the other free things the Swedish gov't offers.. Where do you think that money comes from? It doesnt grow on trees. Not even in Sweden. It comes from the amazingly high taxes that you pay in Sweden, which is the most highly taxed country in the world. So, you're saying free is a good thing. However, There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. If you got it for free, someone, somewhere paid for it. Whether through taxes or donations or out of the kindness of their hearts, it cost someone some money somewhere. http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/tax/basics/9196.asp
Now, which way is better? I guess that depends on your point of view.. I disagree with the socialist system, personally. I'm not even going to fall for the 'which country is better' flamebait. You've probably never been to the US, and I've never been to Sweden. So, all we know about each others' countries is what we see on TV and read on the net. Most of which is bullshit anyways. A valid opinion cannot be reached unless one visits that country and spends some time living there. |
true bout the lunch and breakfast stuff. I think the americans are the same as us when it comes to providing breakfast and lunch for kids who cant afford to bring/buy lunch - least my old highschool and primary school had that |
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manwithplanxyz
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 23:10 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | manwithplanxyz wrote: | | PlayboyHef wrote: | Americans don't care how a little country like Sweden runs it country, there is no comparison.
We don't even know you exist, so why would we care how you feel about us.
Care about yourselves, and stopping trying to make yourself look better in comparison to the US.
I DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL AMERICANS I AM JUST DUMB |
stfu except for that last part |
U know, this isnt meant in a mean or mocking way, but u americans are very touchy.
Like ive said before, when ppl bash americans, they're really bashing the american government, financial etc system - as oppose to the ppl themselves.
I agree, if someone attacks the american ppl in a generalized way, of course say something, stick up for urself....thats to be expected.
What I dont understand is why americans have the hardest time admitting their government, their current government, is fucked up and doesn't give two flying fucks about the ppl of America, let alone the ppl of any other country (iraq, afghanistan anyone?). Im no fan of Clinton either, but shit, Canada and the US (as when it comes down to trade and making money, we need each other) prospered, the world was...not safe by any means, but calmer i'd say. In the 5 years or whatever bush has been in power, the US has gone through a few terrorist attacks (anyone remember the anthrax being sent to government officials?), a economic recession, world opinion and rating of the US has been severly decreased (when all Clinton did was try to build the US's rep) and just generalized bad shit has happened - with the result of Katrina a current, prime example. Why defend a government a like that?...a corrupt government.
Bush is an idiot when it comes to business and that's what the US presidency has basically turned into in my opinion. He ran numerous companies into the ground and now he's doing the same with the entire country. Sure, he can sign these billion dollar initatives and shit, but dont the american ppl realise the amount of debt he's putting the country in? which will only mean harder times for the economy and ppl, which means a recession.
Anyway, it just baffles me that the American ppl actually still stick by a government which has done nothing but fuck them over time and time again.
Edit - think of it this way (good portrayl of what bush has done). in or around 94 and such, the Canadian dollar was at like .65 cents compared to the american dollar...now, were close to 90 cents and gaining still. Isnt it evident that through bush's actions (in just 5 years to boot) the american dollar has decreased in value alot? I dunno, i wouldnt support a president like that |
we dont complain about are current goverment LOL EVERYONE HATES BUSH EVEN US the only thing my friends and I do most of the time is make fun of bush hell Nader would have prolly made a better president then bush! and yes our goverment is fucking us over at times but we dont care because it usually just turns out for the best idk wat good is gonna come from the iraq war (prolly none) but it migh decrease terrorism once the new goverment is settled and maybe the new Iraq will prosper and then the extremist muslims will see we arnt that bad if we helped a 3rd world country prosper
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Americans don't care what you young sweds think.
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Macknu
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Sep 2005 00:20 Post subject: Re: Hmmm... |
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| derwood wrote: | | Quote: | | Health care, you'll die in the US if you dont have money, because you wont afford the treatment, whereas in sweden all you need is a life insurance, and you'r set to go for 100 years. |
Completely untrue. In the US, if you dont have money, you will still get treatment. If your income level is below a certain level, the hospital and doctors will write off the cost of the procedure. If you need a prescription, all pharmaceutical companies have low income programs.
| Quote: | | School in USA, ok now you do get rides to school, but are they free? I dunno so i wont comment, but i will definetly comment on this, your children have to BUY the food in the school, and since the school actually SELLS food, to very very many hungry children, what children want = big bucks. |
Nothing is free.. I'll touch on that in a few minutes.. Not all schools offer free busing. A lot of it depends on how close you live to the school.
There are also free lunch programs for low income familiies. Those programs have been in place for 40+ years now. As to the quality of the food. I agree with you that it could be better. However, what do you think a kid is going to buy faced with good old home cooked food or McDonalds?? Schools offer both types of food these days. Its the kids choice to blow their money on the junk food..
Now, as to the free health care and free food in school and the other free things the Swedish gov't offers.. Where do you think that money comes from? It doesnt grow on trees. Not even in Sweden. It comes from the amazingly high taxes that you pay in Sweden, which is the most highly taxed country in the world. So, you're saying free is a good thing. However, There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. If you got it for free, someone, somewhere paid for it. Whether through taxes or donations or out of the kindness of their hearts, it cost someone some money somewhere. http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/tax/basics/9196.asp
Now, which way is better? I guess that depends on your point of view.. I disagree with the socialist system, personally. I'm not even going to fall for the 'which country is better' flamebait. You've probably never been to the US, and I've never been to Sweden. So, all we know about each others' countries is what we see on TV and read on the net. Most of which is bullshit anyways. A valid opinion cannot be reached unless one visits that country and spends some time living there. |
You may have those things in us but they dont do much good, why else does us have the most poor and homeless in the world?
Better that everyone helps pay for school and mediccare then you get a debt for life becouse of school.
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Thats the problem with most of americans, they dont care and in the end they get slapped right over their face couse of it. Should be fun to see it happens, just hope its in my lifetime.
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SycoShaman
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| manwithplanxyz wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | manwithplanxyz wrote: |
stfu except for that last part |
U know, this isnt meant in a mean or mocking way, but u americans are very touchy.
Like ive said before, when ppl bash americans, they're really bashing the american government, financial etc system - as oppose to the ppl themselves.
I agree, if someone attacks the american ppl in a generalized way, of course say something, stick up for urself....thats to be expected.
What I dont understand is why americans have the hardest time admitting their government, their current government, is fucked up and doesn't give two flying fucks about the ppl of America, let alone the ppl of any other country (iraq, afghanistan anyone?). Im no fan of Clinton either, but shit, Canada and the US (as when it comes down to trade and making money, we need each other) prospered, the world was...not safe by any means, but calmer i'd say. In the 5 years or whatever bush has been in power, the US has gone through a few terrorist attacks (anyone remember the anthrax being sent to government officials?), a economic recession, world opinion and rating of the US has been severly decreased (when all Clinton did was try to build the US's rep) and just generalized bad shit has happened - with the result of Katrina a current, prime example. Why defend a government a like that?...a corrupt government.
Bush is an idiot when it comes to business and that's what the US presidency has basically turned into in my opinion. He ran numerous companies into the ground and now he's doing the same with the entire country. Sure, he can sign these billion dollar initatives and shit, but dont the american ppl realise the amount of debt he's putting the country in? which will only mean harder times for the economy and ppl, which means a recession.
Anyway, it just baffles me that the American ppl actually still stick by a government which has done nothing but fuck them over time and time again.
Edit - think of it this way (good portrayl of what bush has done). in or around 94 and such, the Canadian dollar was at like .65 cents compared to the american dollar...now, were close to 90 cents and gaining still. Isnt it evident that through bush's actions (in just 5 years to boot) the american dollar has decreased in value alot? I dunno, i wouldnt support a president like that |
we dont complain about are current goverment LOL EVERYONE HATES BUSH EVEN US the only thing my friends and I do most of the time is make fun of bush hell Nader would have prolly made a better president then bush! and yes our goverment is fucking us over at times but we dont care because it usually just turns out for the best idk wat good is gonna come from the iraq war (prolly none) but it migh decrease terrorism once the new goverment is settled and maybe the new Iraq will prosper and then the extremist muslims will see we arnt that bad if we helped a 3rd world country prosper |
Dude, u cant deal in uncertainity when it comes to war and killing ppl...and things usually do work out for the US, true, but at the cost of others - life to be specific...
I dont know how u can condone that? despite it working out for u or not...basically, its the same as me going to a gas station, killing the attendent, owner and their families, stealing the gas and giving it to you. Sure u benefit, but ppl had to die for u to benefit. See my point?
And no, the US isnt all that accurate and get terrorists and thats it. They kill many civiliations while conducting operations in iraq |
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drakgon
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lol how high were you when you typed that. |
pretty stoned dude...oh wait, i didnt write that.... |
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...... you should learn a little more about the system before you say something else stupid.
