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TheNerd
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 Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 11:22 Post subject: Improving my English Thread. |
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hey. i would like to get to suggestions about - how to improve my english\vocabulary.
i'll start from this:
when do i use : on,at,in..etc???
for e.g: why do i need to say : "im ON the 27th floor..."
and not "im AT the 27th floor"...???
i hope i right....10x in advance.
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 12:42 Post subject: |
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That's correct.
I am ON the 27th floor.
Also:
I am IN the building.
I am AT the park.
I am ON the plane.
You use IN when you are inside a strucutre (a building, a house, a school).
You use AT when you are AT a place (a park for example).
You use ON for...well......a plane.
I'm sleepy...but I hope that helps a little.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 13:19 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Prepositions: Locators in Time and Place
Consider the professor's desk and all the prepositional phrases we can use while talking about it.
You can sit before the desk (or in front of the desk). The professor can sit on the desk (when he's being informal) or behind the desk, and then his feet are under the desk or beneath the desk. He can stand beside the desk (meaning next to the desk), before the desk, between the desk and you, or even on the desk (if he's really strange). If he's clumsy, he can bump into the desk or try to walk through the desk (and stuff would fall off the desk). Passing his hands over the desk or resting his elbows upon the desk, he often looks across the desk and speaks of the desk or concerning the desk as if there were nothing else like the desk. Because he thinks of nothing except the desk, sometimes you wonder about the desk, what's in the desk, what he paid for the desk, and if he could live without the desk. You can walk toward the desk, to the desk, around the desk, by the desk, and even past the desk while he sits at the desk or leans against the desk.
All of this happens, of course, in time: during the class, before the class, until the class, throughout the class, after the class, etc. And the professor can sit there in a bad mood [another adverbial construction].
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 16:49 Post subject: |
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I speak english way beter then i type/write.
but aslong as they understand what i mean, even if its written totaly wrong, i'm ok with it 
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Macknu
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 17:05 Post subject: |
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Well you can say "im AT the 27th floor" but its not the same as "im ON the 27th floor..."
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Under
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 17:53 Post subject: |
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| Macknu wrote: | | Well you can say "im AT the 27th floor" but its not the same as "im ON the 27th floor..." |
So what's the difference then ? Plz explain 
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Saner
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 18:43 Post subject: |
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| Under wrote: | | Macknu wrote: | | Well you can say "im AT the 27th floor" but its not the same as "im ON the 27th floor..." |
So what's the difference then ? Plz explain |
I am not an english genius, despite it being my native language (i would never ever take the piss out of anyones english as learning another language is tought at the best of times) But "I am AT the 27th floor" just seems gramaticaly wrong to me.
I may be wrong, but I am sure "I am ON the 27th floor" would be the correct way of saying / writing it.
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 18:46 Post subject: |
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| Macknu wrote: | | Well you can say "im AT the 27th floor" but its not the same as "im ON the 27th floor..." |
No you can't. You're not at a floor. You're ON a floor. I'm AT the 27th floor is not proper, at least in US English (and as far as I know, UK English).
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manwithplanxyz
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 18:49 Post subject: |
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hmmm depends how your useing but both sound correct like you can say "im at nforce.nl" or "i'm on Nforce" and you could say im at the 27th floor if that was a name of a place like a bar
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 18:52 Post subject: |
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Well I obviously write english better than I do on here but you can also say i'm AT the park. There is no real English way of knowing when to say either since both are correct. Some instances though for example 'i'm at the stairs' 'i'm on the stairs' it's obvious which is relevent. 'i'm at the lift' 'i'm ain the lift' 'i'm on the lift' ..... on the lift doesn't make sense.
If you want to improve your vocab just look at a thesaurus for interconnecting words that you may a lot. for example: therefore, for this reason, in conclusion, because of this etc. by varying the words (although they mean the same) will improve your english better and will give you much better marks in school.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 18:52 Post subject: |
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At is usually put in place of on .. in response to the question where are you at ? just to simplify things .. but truly, to say I am at the second floor is grammatically lazy .. for some reason the second floor is not enough of a location to be considered a place unto itself .. like a park or a building .. the second floor would be a sub category of the building .. so : at the building, on the second floor.
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Macknu
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 18:57 Post subject: |
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| Immunity wrote: | | Macknu wrote: | | Well you can say "im AT the 27th floor" but its not the same as "im ON the 27th floor..." |
No you can't. You're not at a floor. You're ON a floor. I'm AT the 27th floor is not proper, at least in US English (and as far as I know, UK English). |
Im pretty sure you can, heard it several times in movies etc. But if you read what i said you should see that i said its NOT the same as im ON a floor. Say your at the stairs walking towards the 7th floor, if your almost there you can say im AT the 7th floor becouse your not yet ON the 7th floor. Say your a windowcleaner outside a high building in those things they have, when they wash the windows AT 7th floor their AT the 7th floor and not ON it couse their outside the building. Can probably make up more examples but guess its enough.
And it also makes sence to say so in my language so should in english as well.
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 19:31 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | At is usually put in place of on .. in response to the question where are you at ? just to simplify things .. but truly, to say I am at the second floor is grammatically lazy .. for some reason the second floor is not enough of a location to be considered a place unto itself .. like a park or a building .. the second floor would be a sub category of the building .. so : at the building, on the second floor. |
no because on the 2nd floor can also be gramatically lazy if you look at it like that. for example 'im on the 2nd floor in the building' obviously there are ways of expanding everything 'im on the swings in the park in london' etc. it is not lazy at all and is proper english saying 'at' for example 'ii'm arriving at the 2nd floor now' or 'ii'm in the lift at the 2nd floor' you're not technically ON the 2nd floor because the lift isn't considered part of it. Either way learning when to use these 3 is not the most common english mistake I see you guys making. things like there their there's which witch etc. .... words that sound and look the same but mean different things. These are one's you need to look out for. Also about where to put ' <-. |
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 19:53 Post subject: |
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Unless you're going in for an english exam, I wouldn't worry about having perfect syntax, any person with a moderate grasp of english will be able to understand you.
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 20:14 Post subject: |
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use ON for like -
Im ON the floor
Im jumping ON my bed
I just farted ON you
Lets put a film ON
What did I just piss ON
use AT for
I was AT school today
I was AT work
use IN for
Im IN the bin
Im IN bed
I have a pain IN my head
or combine them
I was AT work ON friday and I hid IN the bin and farted ON the boss IN his office.
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Under
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 21:02 Post subject: |
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Thx for explanation 
One more question for you : Can anyone give me a simple rule when use "have been" insted of "was"
Example (Don't know is their correct)
I'm was working 10 hours but i managed to finish the project
I've been working 10 hours but i managed to finish the project
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manwithplanxyz
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 21:02 Post subject: |
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im at means your not there yet but its right there on means your there standing on it
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 22:13 Post subject: |
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I'm = I AM an ' can be used to signify missing letters as well as defining owner ship. I.e. There's a man called Tom who has a dog named James
There is a man with a dog whose name is James
or Tom's dog is called James.
or James' ball is blue.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005 00:29 Post subject: |
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| Under wrote: | | Macknu wrote: | | Well you can say "im AT the 27th floor" but its not the same as "im ON the 27th floor..." |
So what's the difference then ? Plz explain |
Well, Canadian English - which is a combination of American and British English, most british mind u - is my native tounge so I'll add my input
Being ON the 27th floor implies that ur somewhere located ON that floor and possibly may be doing something, for example - Im ON the 27th floor IN my Office, see what I mean?
Saying Im AT the 27th floor implies that ur in the elevator/stairs and are either looking for something (another floor perhaps?) and are gettin directions/talking to someone. Example
"Ok, Im AT the 27th floor, where is ur office?" reply " Your at the right floor, my office number is 27". Or they can be used interchangeably like, "Ok Im on the 27th floor" Or "or im at the 27th floor, just about to get off the elevator".
I hope ive been clear, if u get confused or something, ask
I know ppl are gunna start pulling out definitions and shit outta books about proper english grammer, but I cant think of one person I know that doesnt use some sort of "slang" in their speech, written word or typed word (some ppl can spell better on the cpu for some reason). Its like me learning "book" german...its correct but probably alot harder to learn than if someone who spoke fluent german and english taught me how to speak german. That way I'd pick up all the little bits of slang and pronunciation and stuff that every language has.
U'd be surprised at the amount of ppl, in the US and Canada who speak really bad english and its the norm and its their native tounge. I myself speak "Bad English"  There's 3 types of English to me - book english, proper english (not learnt through a book cuz even proper english has slang terms that are ok) and bad english
Anyway, have u mastered the "I before E, except after C" bullshit grammar rule? They teach that in english class in like grade 1 or 2 and by the time u get to highschool, it really doesnt apply as ur using more complex words that dont follow the rule...its a weird language eh?
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005 01:05 Post subject: |
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so tom got a dog now?
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2005 01:10 Post subject: |
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| toeffy wrote: | | so tom got a dog now? |
evidently.... |
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