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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX FRI JUNE 24, 2005 10:51:08 ET XXXXX
CRUISE 'WAR OF WORLDS' INTERVIEW TURNS INTO SHOWDOWN ON PSYCHIATRY, SCIENTOLOGY
NBC 'TODAY SHOW' host Matt Lauer was lectured by star Tom Cruise on the dangers of psychiatry and antidepressant during a promotional interview for WAR OF THE WORLDS.
The exchange aired Friday morning.
LAUER: TOM CRUISE CREATED A FIRESTORM WHEN HE CRITICIZED BROOKE SHIELDS FOR REVEALING THAT SHE WENT INTO THERAPY AND TOOK ANTIDEPRESSANTS TO DEAL WITH HER POST PARTUM DEPRESSION. AS A SCIENTOLGIST, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN PSYCHIATRIC MEDICINE. I ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS COMMENTS.
CRUISE: i've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. and when i started studying the history of psychiatry, i understood more and more why i didn't believe in psychology.
//And as far as the Brooke Shields thing is, look. You gotta understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I-- I think here's a-- a-- a wonderful and talented woman. And-- I wanna see her do well. And I know that-- psychiatry is-- is a pseudo science.
MATT LAUER: But-- but Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressant or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough? //
TOM CRUISE: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people (PH), okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol (PH) is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that? |
Rest of the discussion is:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3tc.htm
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Wow! After reading a book on psychology, Dr. Tom now is an expert on the subject and calls it a pseudo-science! Imagine that folks! Generations of research now thrown aside by the all-knowing self-important megalomaniac Tom Cruise.
I wonder when he will start giving advice to people in general, and dictate what lifestyle is proper, and which isn't.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 15:40 Post subject: |
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Thats Scientology for you. A fake religion thought up by a book author.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 22:30 Post subject: |
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something to add ...
| Quote: | Scientologists vs. Psychiatrists: Why they don't get along.
Friday, June 24, 2005, at 3:28 PM PT
In an interview shown on NBC's Today on June 24, celebrity Scientologist Tom Cruise railed against modern treatments for mental health problems. "I've never agreed with psychiatry, ever," he said. Do all Scientologists have a problem with psychiatry?
Yes. Scientology has its roots in a maverick form of psychological counseling that rejects the principles of modern psychiatry. In 1950, L. Ron Hubbard published Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. (He founded the Church of Scientology a few years later.) The book outlined a philosophy of mental and physical illness and a method for treatment. Hubbard rejected the notion that psychiatry could provide lasting cures for psychological problems and condemned psychiatric treatments he deemed inhumane, like electroconvulsive therapy.
The extent of the feud might stem from the immediate backlash that Hubbard received from mainstream mental health organizations. Dianetics was published in May 1950; by September, the American Psychological Association had advised therapists to avoid it. Not long after, the board of medical examiners in Hubbard's home state of New Jersey pursued legal action against him for practicing phony medicine.
Hubbard responded by challenging conventional mental health practitioners to a sort of therapy-off. "Two neurotic individuals" would be subjected to one week each of dianetics and psychiatry; if the psychiatric patient turned out better, Hubbard would withdraw his claims. It's unclear if this showdown ever took place.
According to Hubbard's principles, the mind has an "analytic" and a "reactive" component. Under certain circumstances of emotional or physical distress, the analytic brain shuts down and the reactive brain records a deep, "cellular" memory (what he called an "engram") of the stressful event. These memories can extend back to the moment of conception and to past lives.
Hubbard claimed that mental and physical problems are often psychosomatic manifestations of those memories. If a patient could be coerced into re-experiencing that engram through a process of "dianetic reverie," the memory might be erased and the condition cured. He said that even infections like tuberculosis were susceptible to dianetic therapy.
Scientology emerged a bit later as the spiritual outgrowth of the dianetics movement. With the development of Scientology came some of Hubbard's more far-out concepts, like the prehistoric invasion of Earth by space aliens.
His campaign against psychiatry never abated. The church created the Citizens Commission on Human Rights in 1969, with the goal of "investigating and exposing psychiatric violations of human rights." In the past few years, the commission has campaigned vehemently against the use of anti-depressants by teenagers and argued that psychiatric treatment has accounted for a number of prominent school shootings. |
http://slate.msn.com/id/2121391/fr/rss
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 23:36 Post subject: |
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Well, psychology is pseudoscience. Psychology doesn't excercise the scientific method, thus I do agree with Tom.
EDIT: And come to think about it, from my personal experience - psychiatrics has never done anything good. I had a friend who had trouble adjusting to some changes in his life - now he's locked up, drugged, and truly sick.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 23:44 Post subject: |
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No religion is fake?
Heh!
Welcome to the real world hun, or should I call you jedi?
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 23:46 Post subject: |
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| PoorLeno wrote: | Well, psychology is pseudoscience. Psychology doesn't excercise the scientific method, thus I do agree with Tom.
EDIT: And come to think about it, from my personal experience - psychiatrics has never done anything good. I had a friend who had trouble adjusting to some changes in his life - now he's locked up, drugged, and truly sick. |
Oh, another one like Tom, who from little experience throw out words like "pseudo science".
First of all, YES - psychology DOES exercise scientific methodology. Saying anything else is ignoring tens of thousands of professors and researchers all across the world. Psychology, in it's general term is one of the more well-researched subjects empirically.
I find it rather ridiculous to claim that there are no signal substances... that's like saying: "There is no adrenalin in your body!, That's just mumbo-jumbo!"
Ignoring psychology as a science is about as clever as ignoring physics.
"Ah well! Man can't fly, airplanes is a myth!"
Please, do study some more if you are to comment on what is science and what isn't.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 23:46 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | No religion is fake?
Heh!
Welcome to the real world hun, or should I call you jedi? |
What gives you the right to tell someone their religion is fake?
Tell me what makes Christianity any more real than as you say Jedi?
It's been around longer and has mass followers... cooooolllllll.
"If Practice Makes Perfect, And No One Is Perfect... Then Why Practice?" -- Some Dude.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 23:49 Post subject: |
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I can say it because I'm a qualified Sociologist.
Christanity is followed by millions, yet Scientology is followed by a few fans of L Ron Hubbard.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 23:50 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | I can say it because I'm a qualified Sociologist.
Christanity is followed by millions, yet Scientology is followed by a few fans of L Ron Hubbard. |
You know... Christianity (i keep using this as an example) at one stage only had few fans so ssshhhhhh. It didn't start with million of followers.
Lol yes you can because you're a qualified Sociologist... good job.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 23:53 Post subject: |
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Yes we all know that Scientology is going to be as popular as Christianity.
What's their book of worship?
Battlefield earth?
Heh.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 23:53 Post subject: |
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| Midget85--^ wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | No religion is fake?
Heh!
Welcome to the real world hun, or should I call you jedi? |
What gives you the right to tell someone their religion is fake?
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What gives Tom the right to tell someone what he/she is to do with her life?
I sympathise with your opinion, it's just that when you go about and tell people what to do with their lives, you're seen (at least by me) as someone who think they're better.
So, Tom does not believe in psychopharmaceuts; fine! Let him avoid the pills, just don't go around telling other people what's good and what's bad, because Tom doesn't know shit, really, about psychology from the way he talks.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 23:55 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | Midget85--^ wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | No religion is fake?
Heh!
Welcome to the real world hun, or should I call you jedi? |
What gives you the right to tell someone their religion is fake?
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What gives Tom the right to tell someone what he/she is to do with her life?
I sympathise with your opinion, it's just that when you go about and tell people what to do with their lives, you're seen (at least by me) as someone who think they're better.
So, Tom does not believe in psychopharmaceuts; fine! Let him avoid the pills, just don't go around telling other people what's good and what's bad, because Tom doesn't know shit, really, about psychology from the way he talks. |
I didn't disagree with what you said one tiny bit. That is compared to some Christians going about telling people how to live their lives so that point is void. And I agree Tom is wrong for saying that to people.
"If Practice Makes Perfect, And No One Is Perfect... Then Why Practice?" -- Some Dude.
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From the way he talks he looks like he needs to visit a psychiatrist...
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Jun 2005 23:56 Post subject: |
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Well why quote someone when their opinion is opposite from yours?
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He didn't see what the fuss is all about. Thus, making the topic sort of irrelevant for him, no?
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005 00:00 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | Yes we all know that Scientology is going to be as popular as Christianity.
What's their book of worship?
Battlefield earth?
Heh. |
So religion is a popularity contest... Jesus >>> "Hey buddah, I bet I can get more fans than you lolz"
Yeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh... You sound close minded (not an insult / flame but that's what your posts say to me).
Here is a newsflash for you: All religion is fake, but people believe what they want to believe, which I respect.
Religion, in my opinion, is just a basic set of guidelines on how to live your life.
"If Practice Makes Perfect, And No One Is Perfect... Then Why Practice?" -- Some Dude.
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Tom can be a scientologist all he wants, my opinion on scientology, or any religion for that matter, is pretty clear (one should hope).
There's a difference between having an opinion about something (ie. the way someone uses certain chemicals to stave off depression) - and going out on national television and humiliating that person by saying they're doing something wrong, while promoting Scientology.
Seriously, if ie. Tom Cruise got out and said: "All people are doing wrong when they fly airplanes! Listen to the words of the aliens that sent us here! Use spaceships!"
People would start thinking Tom was borderline psychotic (and delusional). But also, he would seem like some preacher (Jehovas) who stuffed his belief in other people's faces.
And really, I think if he can go out and judge people officially, like this - would he not then AT LEAST support the idea of other's doing the same to him?
So I say, Tom! Scientology is doofus when it says psychology is a pseudo-science.
You see, most of all the millions of works in psychology and psychiatry across the world - are researched, and based on reality. And are written by people who have educated themselves on the subject... become doctors, professors, PhD's, and such.
Telling them that all this research is fake, without anything substantial is a joke (like I said previously about the fake airplanes).
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All religion is not fake. How can anyone believe something along the lines of the jedi religion. Even Lucas said it's stupidity beyond belief.
I'm not closed minded at all. I just hate the way Scientology takes advantage of people. Bloody cults make me sick.
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| Jenni wrote: | All religion is not fake. How can anyone believe something along the lines of the jedi religion. Even Lucas said it's stupidity beyond belief.
I'm not closed minded at all. I just hate the way Scientology takes advantage of people. Bloody cults make me sick. |
How can someone believe some all mighty power created the earth in seven days, made a man and a woman with a talking snake who get there asses kicked outta eden... Give me a break, your point is void.
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| Midget85--^ wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | All religion is not fake. How can anyone believe something along the lines of the jedi religion. Even Lucas said it's stupidity beyond belief.
I'm not closed minded at all. I just hate the way Scientology takes advantage of people. Bloody cults make me sick. |
How can someone believe some all mighty power created the earth in seven days, made a man and a woman with a talking snake who get there asses kicked outta eden... Give me a break, your point is void. |
Who are you to dictate what points are void, and which aren't?
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I've just figured it out. Your name is Midget. I bet you're Tom Cruise himself!
Hehehe.
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| fisk wrote: | | Midget85--^ wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | All religion is not fake. How can anyone believe something along the lines of the jedi religion. Even Lucas said it's stupidity beyond belief.
I'm not closed minded at all. I just hate the way Scientology takes advantage of people. Bloody cults make me sick. |
How can someone believe some all mighty power created the earth in seven days, made a man and a woman with a talking snake who get there asses kicked outta eden... Give me a break, your point is void. |
Who are you to dictate what points are void, and which aren't? |
Because it's obvious it's void. Jenni is saying that the Jedi religion is stupid, when the Christians belifs are just as stupid?
Jenni quick question for you. If Christianity was never thought up until this point in time, do you think it would become even close to what it is now? The way we are now it's pretty much impossible to introduce a new religion, but just because our culture disallows it, doesn't make it fake.
I'm off to play BF2 now 
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I didn't hear her defend Christianity in particular.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jun 2005 00:15 Post subject: |
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Yes, but the difference being is that mainstream Christianity doesn't take advantage of it's followers. For example, they don't sell cancer curing water at a huge profit (or should that be prophet  ) like Toms stupid "religion" does.
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| fisk wrote: | | I didn't hear her defend Christianity in particular. |
I can't think of many religions that don't have some kind of super power logic behind it.
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