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Karmeck
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 Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2018 23:51 Post subject: Why upgrade cpu and ram? In like, ever |
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So I bought this upgrade kit:
https://www.komplett.se/product/986620/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/paketerbjudande/uppgraderingspaket/uppgraderingspaket-core-i5-8600k
And I'm currently using:
Cpu: i5 4690 3,5ghz non k
Ram: corsair 16gb ddr3 cml16gx3m2a1600c10
Grafik: nvidia 980ti 6gb
Motherboard: msi z97i
Hdd: 250gb ssd and 2tb classic hard-drive
From my after purchase googling, I find a performance difference of at max a few % better fps in games, if any.
So ya'll in that cpu thread rendering 3d assets all day or using handbrake. Other then future proofing is there any reason to get this upgrade kit, for only gaming?
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2018 00:31 Post subject: |
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I mean it is quite well known fact. CPU power increase has slowed down a little bit. Even my 2012 2500k is still going strong at 4.5ghs (since the day i installed it 6 years ago).
The one thing that processors now have is more cores and/or threads which can be very good for video editing and other processing applications like You've said. (like if every user is just rendering stuff and reencoding video all day.. I've not compressed a video in 10 years lol)
But for games? There is a difference but it's all mostly in GPU nowadays and in order to see it, You usually need latest and gratest GPU in order to focus bottleneck on cpu
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M4trix
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Karmeck
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couleur
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2018 09:23 Post subject: |
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The most noticeable difference is going from 4 threads to 6 threads since a handful of games will profit from it. But other than that, if you are gaming on a 60Hz Monitor, you wont notice a difference in gaming. People with high Hz monitors need every Frame they can get, so it profits them.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2018 10:44 Post subject: |
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You'll see a difference with shitty unoptimized cpu hungry games like FO4 and ARMA3.
Also, if you're into it, mods for some older unoptimized games (mostly in being unable to use multiple cores properly) like STALKER lost alpha, heavy mods for FO3 and FONV and stuff like that.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2018 11:00 Post subject: |
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I'm gonna tell my self in future proofing. Thank you.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2018 13:06 Post subject: |
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you could get a cheap xeon e3-1240 v3 or similar as a cheap slight upgrade. if you want multithreading.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2018 15:43 Post subject: |
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4790k still rocks
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2018 17:07 Post subject: |
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I'm about to replace my aging MSI Z77-board, i5 3570K and 4x4GB DDR3 with a Z370-board, i5 8400 (6-core) and 2x8 DDR4. Since it's a Z370-board I'll be able to drop an i5 8600K or an i7 8700K if I feel so inclined.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2018 17:25 Post subject: |
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So you buy first and google later?
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JackQ
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2018 17:37 Post subject: |
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Next "upgrade" for me is the whole PC.. maybe in the next 2 years though
I did upgrade to my ram around 2 years ago from 8 to 16.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2018 19:53 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | So you buy first and google later? |
It's the hump way 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Aug 2018 00:17 Post subject: |
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i think an upgrade could pay itself back in power usage possibly if u dont overclock. But yep, any quadcore (think i got my i7 920 in 2009) computer almost a decade back, still can keep up and not be a big bottleneck, but they do eat a lot more power.
the whole hardware industry has become apple wannabe bastardized, charge as much as they possible can for very little innovation. this industry has become just bullshit on stacks of more bullshit, he who can sugarcoat it the best and is the most greedy is the most succesfull.
The market/economy needs to crash (which it will soon enough) so all this fancy expensive is good horseshit mindset gets wiped out and we get to see price efficiency mindsets again.
I had hopes for some eastern or asian company pumping out cheap clones, to compete with intel/nvidia, but patents n lawyers probably all preventing it.
No casual joe needs 6-8 cores, in the next decade.
and for those older games we need that 6+ gighrz on one core , which we are never gonna get 
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Aug 2018 00:51 Post subject: |
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....looks forward to my 8700k @ 5.2Ghz minimum even more.
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Aug 2018 04:18 Post subject: |
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Technically the difference from Sandy Bridge (i5/i7 2xx0/K) to Coffee Lake has been an evolutionary one, in small steps at that. It's still based on an evolved design that started with the original Core family from a modified mobile P3 design after the semi-failed P4 was retired.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Aug 2018 05:36 Post subject: |
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| scaramonga wrote: | | ....looks forward to my 8700k @ 5.2Ghz minimum even more. |
but new intel cpus will be out in a few months. why do you get an old one now?
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Sep 2018 09:47 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Technically the difference from Sandy Bridge (i5/i7 2xx0/K) to Coffee Lake has been an evolutionary one, in small steps at that. It's still based on an evolved design that started with the original Core family from a modified mobile P3 design after the semi-failed P4 was retired. |
With everything I've written before I'll take back at least some of it.
So a friend of mine helped me getting:
ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-H GAMING board
Intel Core i5 8400 (yes, I plan on upgrading to a K-CPU in the future)
4xRipjaws @ 3GHz
The i5 8400 has six cores, no hyperthreading, base clock at 2.8GHz and Turbo @ 4.0GHz and is of course not overclockable (I'm on a budget here guys).
But holy shit, it beats the crap out of my 4.5GHz 3570K in single-core IPC by a huge margin even if running 0.5GHz slower. I guess a 5-generation jump actually mean something, esp. the Coffee Lake CPU's. An average jump somewhere between 40-60% in benchmarks I've done (some single thread, some multi thread).
Now I need to replace my ancient Radeon HD 7950/OC (which is STILL doing pretty good for itself thanks to nice OC).
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Sep 2018 09:57 Post subject: |
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What, you believed the "it's only a 10-15% difference, tops" people in here, because they're still running their 2500K/2600K? 
Next year for me, if ryzen 2 bridges the single thread/core gap significantly good, if not then a 9700K or maybe even a 9900K.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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couleur
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Sep 2018 10:10 Post subject: |
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If you take 10-15% for every gen. that makes quite alot over 5 generations.
The question is whether you’d notice it enough in gaming (and if gaming is your main usage) If you still play at 1080p@60Hz. In that case you wont notice much of a difference.
But as soon as your going higher, 1440p@144Hz f.e. where you’re more likely to run into a GPU limit, then higher IPC and single thread performance (ore even multithread, depending on the game) will give you the edge. Quite alot actually, depending on the game. On the other side, DX12/Vulkan offsets this a little. Some DX12/Vulkan titles will be less CPU dependant. But those are still rare.
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Sep 2018 10:28 Post subject: |
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I do more than play games on my PC (in fact, gaming is perhaps ~20-25%). I use it as an audio workstation (Cubase, ProTools, Reaper + tons of virtual instruments and plugins that are ALL CPU-intensive) and I've had some problems with stuttering when reaching the VSTi/AAX-limits on CPU.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Sep 2018 10:35 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | If you take 10-15% for every gen. that makes quite alot over 5 generations.
The question is whether you’d notice it enough in gaming (and if gaming is your main usage) If you still play at 1080p@60Hz. In that case you wont notice much of a difference.
But as soon as your going higher, 1440p@144Hz f.e. where you’re more likely to run into a GPU limit, then higher IPC and single thread performance (ore even multithread, depending on the game) will give you the edge. Quite alot actually, depending on the game. On the other side, DX12/Vulkan offsets this a little. Some DX12/Vulkan titles will be less CPU dependant. But those are still rare. |
Yep, you'll notice it mostly in cpu hog games or the ones that run mostly on a single core (but some of those I keep constantly going back to like TES, nuFO and stalker series )
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2018 17:10 Post subject: |
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I always overclock the hell out of the CPU, then it's kind of worth it, otherwise, not really. I even downgraded RAM this time to 16GB since new RAM was too expensive for me to give a damn about it, it can be slightly good to have a ton of RAM for e.g buggy old games like FO: NV.. it's way more stable with more RAM (when using many mods too).
Current CPU ( i5 8600K) is @5GHz with a pretty cheap normal fan but delid and liquid metal to get the temp down to around 60-65.
But i do use my PC for Cubase, Blender, Filterforge/photoshop and games. For just games and if you are fine with 40-50 FPS at 1920 and slightly above, then you can get away super cheap...
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