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deelix
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you go to jail for drunk driving in denmark? sounds like usa
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deelix
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zipfero
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 00:42 Post subject: |
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Its not socially acceptable. The laws are increasingly being tightened and I will say that the social stigma with drunk driving is noticeable. Most I know find it unacceptable, including me.
And you have to pass a driving test when you get caught for drunk driving. And the fine is at minimum half a months pay, btw not just 50 bucks
edit: I agree that people should lose their licence whatever the transgression is
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deelix
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 11:10 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | you go to jail for drunk driving in denmark? sounds like usa |
So they bloody should, and for a long time! Plus lose their license for life. Drink drivers are the lowest scum. It would be fine if these morons only put their own sorry lives in jeopardy, but usually they walk away from an accident and kill some innocent.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 14:36 Post subject: |
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| Reg67 wrote: | | Paintface wrote: | | you go to jail for drunk driving in denmark? sounds like usa |
So they bloody should, and for a long time! Plus lose their license for life. Drink drivers are the lowest scum. It would be fine if these morons only put their own sorry lives in jeopardy, but usually they walk away from an accident and kill some innocent. |
but all the people that die cause of sober driving is just an acceptable risk right?
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 14:49 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | Reg67 wrote: | | Paintface wrote: | | you go to jail for drunk driving in denmark? sounds like usa |
So they bloody should, and for a long time! Plus lose their license for life. Drink drivers are the lowest scum. It would be fine if these morons only put their own sorry lives in jeopardy, but usually they walk away from an accident and kill some innocent. |
but all the people that die cause of sober driving is just an acceptable risk right? |
I never said or even implied that, if the motorist is to blame because of dangerous driving or whatever then yes, he or she should be dealt with harshly. In the same instance if the pedestrian causes a fatal accident then he or she should be dealt with.
We are far to soft on motorists in this country simply because the majority of people drive and those drivers are also voters. a motorist is, after all in control of a potentially fatal piece of kit, if he cannot control it because of drink, or simply refuses to control it in the proper manner then he should be taken off the road for good.
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fisk
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 15:01 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | Reg67 wrote: | | Paintface wrote: | | you go to jail for drunk driving in denmark? sounds like usa |
So they bloody should, and for a long time! Plus lose their license for life. Drink drivers are the lowest scum. It would be fine if these morons only put their own sorry lives in jeopardy, but usually they walk away from an accident and kill some innocent. |
but all the people that die cause of sober driving is just an acceptable risk right? |
Wait, are you seriously comparing the risk from drunk driving to the risk of sober driving right now?
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 15:14 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | Paintface wrote: | | Reg67 wrote: |
So they bloody should, and for a long time! Plus lose their license for life. Drink drivers are the lowest scum. It would be fine if these morons only put their own sorry lives in jeopardy, but usually they walk away from an accident and kill some innocent. |
but all the people that die cause of sober driving is just an acceptable risk right? |
Wait, are you seriously comparing the risk from drunk driving to the risk of sober driving right now? |
yup tens of thousands die cause of sober driving, but thats acceptable, few drinks and somehow the guy is a murderer and should be locked up. not debating that driving underinfluence is worse than sober, i just dont understand the whole hammering to the cross of ppl driving under influence while thousands die cause of people driving sober not speeding etc simply making mistakes.
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Badrien
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 15:37 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | Paintface wrote: |
but all the people that die cause of sober driving is just an acceptable risk right? |
Wait, are you seriously comparing the risk from drunk driving to the risk of sober driving right now? |
yup tens of thousands die cause of sober driving, but thats acceptable, few drinks and somehow the guy is a murderer and should be locked up. not debating that driving underinfluence is worse than sober, i just dont understand the whole hammering to the cross of ppl driving under influence while thousands die cause of people driving sober not speeding etc simply making mistakes. |
And Millions of people die each year because of drunk driving. And I bet the drunk drivers cause alot more grief. Comparing the two is redicilous. If you step into your car sober and get into an accident(given its not some psycho homicidal driver) shit happens. Get into your car drunk is like asking for trouble, and in my opinion drunk drivers that cause the deaths of other people should get the needle.
Getting in a car drunk is like loading and cocking a gun, you're just not sure who you're shooting yet.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 15:39 Post subject: |
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| Badrien wrote: |
Getting in a car drunk is like loading and cocking a gun, you're just not sure who you're shooting yet. |
Well said. It's absolutely insane to claim that drunk driving shouldn't be treated as harshly as possible.. I can't believe what I'm reading. Drunk drivers deserve jail.. nothing less.
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fisk
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 16:51 Post subject: |
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Isn't it proven that it doesn't take all that much alcohol at all before you are affected, response time, co-ordination and what else it was, been a while since I read up on it but I imagine that at those levels where you will get fined or worse for it there's a significant difference compared to being sober.
That and old age I guess, my moms dad (Whatever the term was, grandparent or sucuh.) drove straight through one of those circular whatever they are called in English and into the ditch though the damage to the car was minimal but he was pretty stubborn about it though eventually lost his driving license though he absolutely wanted to continue driving, he's also manage to drive into and back into our mailbox before this happened.
(86 or what he was back when that happened, I'm still a bit surprised he did fine for so long.)
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 16:57 Post subject: |
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Yup, as far as I can remember it only takes a small amount of alcohol to significantly impact your awareness and response time when driving -- which is what makes it infinitely more dangerous when getting behind the wheel of a car. Though of course this usually is dependent on weight and gender.
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zipfero
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 17:13 Post subject: |
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@Paintface:
You are a fucking moron
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 17:13 Post subject: |
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Your judgement and control aren't impaired when you drive a car, which means a trained driver isn't a danger to everyone around him/her. Your judgement and control ARE impaired when you've been consuming alcohol, thus even trained drivers become a danger to those around them when under the influence.
I don't understand why you can't grasp this simple fact.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 17:15 Post subject: |
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I drove slightly drunk once when I was 19, ended up destroying the right front wheel by hitting a huge concrete block. I got away with no consequences (well except for my parents being extremely pissed off), but that definitely taught me a big lesson  .
Fortunately the law here has a low threshold of tolerance for drunk driving (0.05 % blood alcohol, war recently introduced); if you pass that limit, several troubles with the police are guaranteed.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 17:22 Post subject: |
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| zipfero wrote: | @Paintface:
You are a fucking moron |
for pointing out how everyone thinks sober driving and the tens of thousands killed cause of it every year is just fine but a few beers makes the risk unacceptable and that person should go to jail ?
I havent even given my opinion on what i feel about the situation, i am fine with fines and taking away license depending how drunk or if it is on multiple occasions, not with jail in any case cause thats for criminals.
So its not that i dont yell OMG MURDERER to people driving under influence that i am pro drunk driving, and you will still be insecure before and after this discussion if you or anyone else really thought one could score an easy win by just being anti drunk driving.
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zipfero
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 17:37 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | zipfero wrote: | @Paintface:
You are a fucking moron |
for pointing out how everyone thinks sober driving and the tens of thousands killed cause of it every year is just fine but a few beers makes the risk unacceptable and that person should go to jail ?
I havent even given my opinion on what i feel about the situation, i am fine with fines and taking away license depending how drunk or if it is on multiple occasions, not with jail in any case cause thats for criminals.
So its not that i dont yell OMG MURDERER to people driving under influence that i am pro drunk driving, and you will still be insecure before and after this discussion if you or anyone else really thought one could score an easy win by just being anti drunk driving. |
Yes for pointing out something that is not only incorrect but also completely irrelevant. In your brain, condemning one thing is approving another? In case you havent fucking noticed, people who drive recklessly while sober and get caught also gets fined/jailedl. You are so besides the fucking point of criminalizing drunk driving that its fucking laughable.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 17:54 Post subject: |
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| zipfero wrote: | | Paintface wrote: | | zipfero wrote: | @Paintface:
You are a fucking moron |
for pointing out how everyone thinks sober driving and the tens of thousands killed cause of it every year is just fine but a few beers makes the risk unacceptable and that person should go to jail ?
I havent even given my opinion on what i feel about the situation, i am fine with fines and taking away license depending how drunk or if it is on multiple occasions, not with jail in any case cause thats for criminals.
So its not that i dont yell OMG MURDERER to people driving under influence that i am pro drunk driving, and you will still be insecure before and after this discussion if you or anyone else really thought one could score an easy win by just being anti drunk driving. |
Yes for pointing out something that is not only incorrect but also completely irrelevant. In your brain, condemning one thing is approving another? In case you havent fucking noticed, people who drive recklessly while sober and get caught also gets fined/jailedl. You are so besides the fucking point of criminalizing drunk driving that its fucking laughable. |
u mad?
what country do you live that speeding gets you into jail?
and my point is not irrelevant, you cant be for cars to be driven legally with all the victims that come with it and at the same time call for jail time for driving under influence cause thats just an unacceptable risk that should put one in the same cell as murderers.
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zipfero
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 17:55 Post subject: |
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Ok so now we are only comparing sober speeding to drunk driving? You are pathetic, will stop talking to you.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 18:07 Post subject: |
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| zipfero wrote: | | Ok so now we are only comparing sober speeding to drunk driving? You are pathetic, will stop talking to you. |
whats wrong? went into the thread thinking you could roll someone that thought drunk driving was ok? and now you have to take on your own hypocracy?
| Quote: | | and my point is not irrelevant, you cant be for cars to be driven legally with all the victims that come with it and at the same time call for jail time for driving under influence cause thats just an unacceptable risk that should put one in the same cell as murderers. |
my exact quote, doesnt say anything about sober speeding. it talks about the risk and actual victims every year of sober driving , be it speeding, texting , falling asleep , not pay attention , looking in wrong direction .......... Which i ask you if its acceptable or not, if no you should be against cars and able to save tens of thousands of lives. If yes that means you take the death toll that comes along with it.
BUT you cant be for cars being legal accepting the death toll and then say "well driving under influence and the victims that come with it are so unacceptable it makes my blood boil they should all go to jail!" cause thats quite a hypocracy.
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couleur
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 18:30 Post subject: |
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I have to admit, I am one of those people that drive with 0.5 ‰ on a regular basis (I dont really feel the alcohol at that level though). Simply going to the restaurant or having a few beers etc. and you easily get to that rate. My driving quota is 20.000 - 30.000 km a year since 12 years and I only had one self-caused accident yet, but it was not under influence. (1st car, winter time, driving on an icy way that was signaled as not drivable in winter, but I didnt care to read the sign lol)
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deelix
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 20:50 Post subject: |
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@Paintface: The problem isn't only drunk drivers, its a combination of that (and drugs ofc), bad roads(infrastructure), cars with serious errors and so on. Oh yeah, and your reaction time will be around the same as 0.8‰ after a night without sleep.
@couleur: yeah people are different, there are those inexperienced drivers that get shit faced and drive that is the biggest problem. But your reaction is still lacking, so its kind of a bad idea. And if you unluckily are involved in an accident (that you probably just as well could be sober) you are in a hell of a lot problem because you have alcohol in your blood.
In Norway we have the lowest highway speedlimit in europe, but also one of the countries with fewest accidents. Only Sweden and Holland got fewer deaths on the road per capita in europe.
Damn, saying that really made me feel like an old mofo  Id like 120-130 on the roads here, but I know id go 160 then... so yeah, 110 would be fine 
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 23:11 Post subject: |
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Brazil has low speed limits, zero tolerance for alcohol (after 0.6% its jail time, below that you "only" lose your license for a year) and very high rates of accidents and traffic related deaths.
The zero tolerance policy is a couple of years old, and before that drunk driving was socially and legally (up to a limit) accepted. I used to drink and drive regularly (for like 7 years), without ever having an accident. Obviously, I don't drive better when I'm drunk, but if you realize you're drunk and respect your (lower) limits (such as slower reflexes/reaction time) it is entirely possible to be safe after drinking. I see (in the news) idiots crashing and murdering every week, but they are always speeding or doing something stupid (like driving on the wrong way). I don't care if they are drunk or not, they should get harsh punishment (and if they didn't drink nothing happens, 'cause its "just an accident").
A few weeks ago I saw on the news that the traffic related deaths are higher now than before the zero alcohol law... It's simply not working, because alcohol is not the main problem (at least here). Better drivers (education), better cars (the top selling cars don't have airbags or abs brakes) and better roads would improve things. But our politicians won't bother with that...
I'm not saying it's ok to drink and drive. It's not, but it's also not ok to use your cellphone (especially not without bluetooth, and for fuck sakes don't text!), read the newspaper (I see idiots reading at the wheel everyday!), do your make-up, etc, etc. And people don't go to jail for doing those things...
Edit: IMO, getting a fine for driving after a few drinks is fair. Losing a license or going to jail isn't. Same thing for using the cellphone while driving (it's a known fact that it affects the reaction time and attention of the driver). And if you cause an accident while doing something wrong (like speeding, being drunk or talking on the phone), then you should do jail time. But sending me to jail because I had a glass of wine at dinner (or an Irish coffee after lunch  ), while I'm driving properly and following every sign/speed limit/etc is just stupid.
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deelix
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 23:34 Post subject: |
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yeah, its important to get a good education. iv heard thats the cause of many traffic accidents in the US. And letting 14-16 year olds drive by themselves aren't a good idea either...
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nouseforaname
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you should get away with it at least once (especially when young).
Where I live it's just a 1 year suspension, breathalyzer ignition lock, a rehab class, bunch of $$$, and ofc criminal charge (pardon after 5 years) for the first offense. That seems reasonable. But it's 0.08 here for the charge and only an overnight (non-criminal) suspension for 0.05.
Second offence is another issue though and should be dealt with extremely harshly.
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Anyway, seen some crazy driving on the 130 km/h motorway in jylland, but it looks like people in jylland generally drive more aggressively than people in fyn and sjælland and found out pretty fast that 130 means 140-150 on the speedometer.
