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| Quote: | Broadwell won’t make it to desktop
We have heard people talking about it but we managed to confirm it now. Intel will make Broadwell mobile only and it won’t make a desktop version like it used to before.
The desktop version of a new CPU is codenamed Haswell refresh, which gives you idea of what is coming from Intel on the desktop side. Haswell refresh is just a slightly improved and optimized Haswell, while Broadwell will hit tablets, convertibles, two-in-ones and the traditional notebook market. Intel spends a lot of time addressing this market, which has already fallen on hard times.
Our sources are telling us that Intel will do desktop chip every two years, which is a huge slow down from the current roadmap, making it much easier for AMD to grab some breathing space in the desktop segment.
This is definitely not great news for desktop enthusiasts. It will make things slower and boring on the desktop side but GPUs will still come out every year, making GPU updates for gamers look like a good way of boosting performance.
Skylake is the next Intel chip that is set to have a desktop version and it is a tock, a new architecture processor that can probably bring more performance than what you would expect from the Broadwell 14nm shrink. Skylake is 14nm and it is set to come at some point in 2015.
Typical non-desktop users won’t benefit much from new processor unless they use heavy video encoding and rendering and watching Full HD movies and even 4K movies won’t be much of a task in the future.
According to Intel’s own figures, the average PC is now more than four years old, the PC market is mature and upgrade cycles are getting longer, which explains the shift to a two-year cycle in the desktop segment. |
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Their last tick-tock on the desktop has been a shameful display.
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Sandy Bridge must have been one of the best cpu investements ever.
Still the stalling desktop development is not a good sign for pc builders I suppose.
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2014 12:39 Post subject: |
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Haswell refresh uses LGA 1150, older boards just need a bios update.
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2014 15:04 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | Haswell refresh uses LGA 1150, older boards just need a bios update. |
Must be why my Asus Z87-Plus posted a BIOS updater for New 4th Gen Intel Core Processors on 2-21 or are these new chips 5th Gen? I just built this setup last month with an i5-4670K but it is like anything on the PC, as soon as you buy it, it is already outdated.
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I flashed my 87x to F8 - windows found the 3-rd case fan and some other stuff.
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| 0wen wrote: | | couleur wrote: | | Haswell refresh uses LGA 1150, older boards just need a bios update. |
Must be why my Asus Z87-Plus posted a BIOS updater for New 4th Gen Intel Core Processors on 2-21 or are these new chips 5th Gen? I just built this setup last month with an i5-4670K but it is like anything on the PC, as soon as you buy it, it is already outdated. |
Its more like 4.1 Gen. IMO, but if they call it 5th Gen. 
Its just as outdated as its not. For us Gamers, Sandy-Bridge was the only real evolution, so your Haswell was outdated before you even bought it. On the other hand, Haswell refresh is not going to have any benefits for us neither (if you overclock), nor will Broadwell (probably), as it seems. So you are going to be on the good side for a good 2-3 years minimum with your Haswell.
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Gonna say this for the nth time, Haswell was and is a disappointment, it's very hot, especially at higher frequencies, compared to SB. If Broadwell doesn't return to a soldered solution, as compared to the cheap TIM used in Ivy/Haswell, than there's no need to get a Broadwell CPU. Hell, even then, it would be worth it if you're an avid overclocker.
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| ClaudeFTW wrote: | | Gonna say this for the nth time, Haswell was and is a disappointment, it's very hot, especially at higher frequencies, compared to SB. If Broadwell doesn't return to a soldered solution, as compared to the cheap TIM used in Ivy/Haswell, than there's no need to get a Broadwell CPU. Hell, even then, it would be worth it if you're an avid overclocker. |
Dunno if you caught the original post but Broadwell is a pure mobile CPU.
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2014 21:57 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | ClaudeFTW wrote: | | Gonna say this for the nth time, Haswell was and is a disappointment, it's very hot, especially at higher frequencies, compared to SB. If Broadwell doesn't return to a soldered solution, as compared to the cheap TIM used in Ivy/Haswell, than there's no need to get a Broadwell CPU. Hell, even then, it would be worth it if you're an avid overclocker. |
Dunno if you caught the original post but Broadwell is a pure mobile CPU. |
What about the leaked list? 4690/4790 etc. Mobile as well? I didn't have the time to properly read through it since I had to work pretty much all evening.
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@ClaudeFTW: the leaked list depicts the "Haswell Refresh" which is just Haswell with a little more megahertz. Broadwell is a shrink, with a few enhancements over Haswell and will in the beginning only be available for mobile with desktops following 2015. Afaik
edit: Apparently there is conflicting information regarding the Broadwell desktop and LGA 2011 models.
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| couleur wrote: | @ClaudeFTW: the leaked list depicts the "Haswell Refresh" which is just Haswell with a little more megahertz. Broadwell is a shrink, with a few enhancements over Haswell and will in the beginning only be available for mobile with desktops following 2015. Afaik
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So...nothing to be excited about.
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In the meantime AMD (with the lost wolves having returned last year that turned AMD from a small x86-licensing budget CPU company to a major competitor with the Athlon 64 architecture) is given a free chance to catch up with the help of the guys that I mentioned above.
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http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/intel_core_i7_broadwell_e_hedt_chips_delayed_to_2016.html
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The next gen enthusiast platform Broadwell-E chips, e.g. upcoming processors like the Core i7 6960X - 6930K and 6820K have a renewed launch date. That would be in one to two years from now in 2016 according to the Chinese VR-Zone. These upcoming 14nm processors are developed under codename "Broadwell-E" with a LGA2011v3 socket package.
The processors should be compatible with motherboards based on Intel's X99 Express chipset (after firmware updates). The HEDT CPUs will feature six to eight cores and would get up to 20MB of cache. Obviously these processors will support quad-channel DDR4 memory. According to the latest rumor Intel plans to start supplying pre-ES samples of the “Broadwell-E” to partners in the second quarter of 2015, engineering samples (ES).
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Intel stated that the new HEDT CPUs will come with six or eight cores, up to 20MB of last-level-cache, quad-channel DDR4 memory, PCI Express 3.0 lanes, 140W thermal design power.
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http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/intel_core_i7_6950x_broadwell_e_has_10_cores_and_20_threads.html
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Asia based xfastest was able to get their hands on some new info regarding the enthusiast lineup of Broadwell, yes Broadwell-E. In their item they mention four new Broadwell-E processors, the flagship being the Core i7-6950X that would get 10 physical CPU Cores hyper-threaded towards 20 Threads!
Broadwell-E will be tied to the X99 chipset as the website mentions as these processors will be tied towards socket LGA2011-v3. That would be good news for X99 owners as only a BIOS update will be required to get the new processors supported.
Processor Cores/threads Clock frequency L3-cache Socket
Intel Core i7-6950X 10/20 3GHz 25MB LGA2011-v3
Intel Core i7-6900K 8/16 3,3GHz 20MB LGA2011-v3
Intel Core i7-6850K 6/12 3,6GHz 15MB LGA2011-v3
Intel Core i7-6800K 6/12 3,4GHz 15MB LGA2011-v3
As stated, four models will be released, the i7-6950X, i7-6900K, i7-6850K and i7- 6800K. That Core i7-6950X thus is the flagship CPU. X is Extreme with totally unlocked multipliers and voltages, the K models are more or less the same with a slightly lower voltage ceiling. All models will get some Turbo (dynamic clock frequency) allowance as well. To date it is unknown when the new processors will be released.
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Intel took a strange turn with that one. Well, not THAT strange really. They haven't sorted out the shrink and turned back to Broadwell to fill in the gap of the not-quite-working tick-tock scheme with these overgrown Broadwells to fill the space until they've managed to get 10nm working.
Until then they're throwing out Broadwell 6-10 core CPU's, later filling the market segments with Kaby Lake CPU's. The thing Intel is really waiting for is to get the 10nm process working for their Cannonlake which won't hit the market until late 2017. Until then we're going to see 14nm CPU's (three generations now, Broadwell/Skylake/Kaby Lake) in various formats and price ranges.
Intel has reached a rather difficult obstacle and the point of a 10 core CPU is rather low as far as normal apps and games are concerned.
Now, lets see if AMD's desktop CPU department will survive when they bring out the Zen. If it's a flop I doubt AMD will be able to stay in the enthusiast desktop market at all.
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The release of first Zen-based processors is expected in October 2016.
Jim Keller left AMD on Sept. 18th, 2015. Keller was present at AMD for about three years, and it's assumed that Zen's design was completed prior to his departure.
Zen microprocessors tested and "met all expectations" with "no significant bottlenecks found" on 2 November 2015. |
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AMD hasn't been in the enthusiast desktop market for years.
PC: Yes. Console: No.
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| JBeckman wrote: | http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/intel_core_i7_6950x_broadwell_e_has_10_cores_and_20_threads.html
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Asia based xfastest was able to get their hands on some new info regarding the enthusiast lineup of Broadwell, yes Broadwell-E. In their item they mention four new Broadwell-E processors, the flagship being the Core i7-6950X that would get 10 physical CPU Cores hyper-threaded towards 20 Threads!
Broadwell-E will be tied to the X99 chipset as the website mentions as these processors will be tied towards socket LGA2011-v3. That would be good news for X99 owners as only a BIOS update will be required to get the new processors supported.
Processor Cores/threads Clock frequency L3-cache Socket
Intel Core i7-6950X 10/20 3GHz 25MB LGA2011-v3
Intel Core i7-6900K 8/16 3,3GHz 20MB LGA2011-v3
Intel Core i7-6850K 6/12 3,6GHz 15MB LGA2011-v3
Intel Core i7-6800K 6/12 3,4GHz 15MB LGA2011-v3
As stated, four models will be released, the i7-6950X, i7-6900K, i7-6850K and i7- 6800K. That Core i7-6950X thus is the flagship CPU. X is Extreme with totally unlocked multipliers and voltages, the K models are more or less the same with a slightly lower voltage ceiling. All models will get some Turbo (dynamic clock frequency) allowance as well. To date it is unknown when the new processors will be released.
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So many cores to play console ports on! Yay! 
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Hmmm, four different extreme models, wonder how 6800K will be priced, my 4790k will serve nicely until 6900K is released (this will be true upgrade).
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http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/intel_shows_core_i7_6950x_specs_at_35ghz_and_25mb_cache.html
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Intel posted info on their Core i7-6950X over the weekend on their website. The 10-core processor will get a 3,5GHz base clock and 25MB cache. Other then some snippets of info, nothing specific is mentioned though. Earlier rumors suggest that the 10-core 20-thread 6950X model will cost $1500 USD.
The good news, you do not have to purchase a new motherboard. Broadwell-E will be tied to the X99 chipset, as these processors will be tied towards socket LGA2011-v3. That would be good news for X99 owners as only a BIOS update will be required to get the new processors supported.
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Four models Broadwell-E processors will be released, the i7-6950X, i7-6900K, i7-6850K and i7- 6800K. That Core i7-6950X thus is the flagship CPU. X is Extreme with totally unlocked multipliers and voltages, the K models are more or less the same with a slightly lower voltage ceiling. All models will get some Turbo (dynamic clock frequency) allowance as well. To date it is unknown when the new processors will be released, but we think the Computex time-frame is a valid suggestion.
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