Google/Motorola Project ARA
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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Jun 2014 06:42    Post subject: Google/Motorola Project ARA
I remember hearing about this a while ago when Moto came up with the idea. Didn't think it would go anywhere alone.

Haven't looked at it since then but to my amazement, Google is now on board with them helping develop it ^__^

http://motorolaara.com/2014/04/28/google-hosts-conference-to-shed-light-on-project-ara/


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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Jun 2014 11:33    Post subject:
I'm really looking forward to seeing this tech grow, I love the idea and I'm glad Google are seeing the prospects too.

http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94976

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Eremenko did comment on Android’s lack of dynamic hardware support: “It’s true that Android does not support dynamic hardware today,” he said. “The good news is that we’re Google.”


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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Jul 2014 15:33    Post subject:
http://www.kitguru.net/laptops/mobile/matthew-wilson/google-to-start-sending-out-project-ara-hardware/

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Developers can now request a Module Developers Kit, the kit contains circuit boards for testing modules, the dev with the best module will score the Project Ara Developer Prize Challenge and win themselves $100,000. Interested developers only have until the 17th of July to apply for a dev kit, some applicants will receive their kits by the end of the month.

The current developers kit is based on the v0.11 release. However, Google has already announced plans to release an updated developers kit in the near future, these v0.20 kits will use use ASICs rather than FPGAs for UniPro network processing. The updated hardware will be available in November.
All modules will attach to the base phone via electro-permanent magnets, the modular smartphone is expected to go on sale for as little as $50 around January next year. However, extra modules will likely bump up the overall price.
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Oct 2014 15:04    Post subject:
http://www.kitguru.net/laptops/mobile/matthew-wilson/first-look-at-a-working-project-ara-modular-smartphone-prototype/



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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Oct 2014 17:20    Post subject:
Not my fault that the topic isn't named properly and thus doesn't show up in search Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Oct 2014 17:22    Post subject:
Phonebloks is the name of the original, the very video you posted says "Phonebloks" Razz
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Oct 2014 17:25    Post subject:
But it's an article about project Ara prototype itself Wink
So that's why i searched for that, plus didn't they rename it anyway?


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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Oct 2014 17:28    Post subject:
Phonebloks is the company and product, Project Ara is the codename. Look, whatever man, I don't care what you do.. I just posted the original thread and that's all there is to it. If you want to post in this one, go for it, I'm staying with the original.
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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Jan 2015 23:39    Post subject:
http://www.kitguru.net/laptops/mobile/matthew-wilson/googles-project-ara-gets-an-update/

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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Jan 2015 23:45    Post subject:
this is so god damn cool and could be so useful


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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 17:50    Post subject:
http://www.kitguru.net/channel/generaltech/matthew-wilson/toshiba-starts-making-cameras-for-project-ara/


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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 17:56    Post subject:
I read somewhere this will never be successful, because the CPU, GPU and memory are in separate modules and too far away from eachother compared to current models, in which they're all combined in a single chip. Supposedly makes a huge difference in performance.
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 18:01    Post subject:
...and even more important, it makes a huge difference in battery life.
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 18:37    Post subject:
I like the idea but dont really see the point too it.
If just my lg g3 had 720p screen... the abttery life would be much better and performance too.

ok. there is a point Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 19:04    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
I read somewhere this will never be successful, because the CPU, GPU and memory are in separate modules and too far away from eachother compared to current models, in which they're all combined in a single chip. Supposedly makes a huge difference in performance.


nothing is stopping them from making them separate chips
and a separate chip combined


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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 19:16    Post subject:
Not completely sure about the performance, but since separated chips would use very high speed interconnection (if nothing, they all share the same RAM), it makes taking care about signal integrity difficult, especially since there is no "fixed" way of arranging blocks in the phone.
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 20:18    Post subject:
It sounds as crazy as people saying matx boards are faster than normal atx boards, because cpu "talks" faster to other components as it have shorter way to travel Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 20:30    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
I read somewhere this will never be successful, because the CPU, GPU and memory are in separate modules and too far away from eachother compared to current models, in which they're all combined in a single chip. Supposedly makes a huge difference in performance.

That somewhere must've been some shit site then, sorry.

#1: Nope. There have been no such confirmations yet. The only thing it has right now is a SoC (CPU + GPU in one package). So whoever said that it has a separate CPU and GPU is full of shit. And if someone were to do a separate GPU module, it would most likely be ridiculously fast to begin with.

#2: RAM is separate anyway, just to knock that one down straight away too.

#3: "Too far"? Really? You can have them a meter apart, that'll still be irrelevant as long as the bus (read: protocol) between them is fast enough. And the bus in this thing is plenty fast, it has reached speeds of 24 Gbps already. Good luck saturating that with anything mobile Laughing

That is aside from the fact that the "distance" between components in this is no more or less than what you find in an average smartphone. Potentially even less, since in a modern phone they often put some chips way on the other side of the PCB because they have more room to spare there. So whoever came up with that "distance" bullshit needs to go read up on how electronics work. If distance actually were a factor, they wouldn't put the USB controllers on the side opposite of where the actual ports are on your motherboard (on most of them anyway). And why do I mention USB here? Because USB 3.0 has a bandwidth of "just" 5 Gbps.

Seriously, what are the sites these "facts" keep coming from?


Edit: not directed at you Il_Padrino. I just keep seeing more and more nonsense getting spewed by shit sites that haven't got a clue what they're talking about. It started with Wccftech, VideoCardz and those dipshits and now it's spreading to other hardware too.
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 21:57    Post subject:
The only problem with ARA currently is battery life if I remember correctly.


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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Feb 2015 22:08    Post subject:
I don't know how they tested that, last time I checked the docs (last year's autumn), Google was using FPGA, which are power hogs, as bridges to simulate UniPro end-points and switches (UniPro is similar to PCI Express, but way more suitable for mobile application). Not sure if anyone has made an actual UniPro ASIC meanwhile, but testing battery life without real ARA hardware as it was meant to be (including native UniPro interconnection) doesn't make much sense.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2015 01:16    Post subject:
https://twitter.com/ProjectAra/status/633358044517154816

first test version now 2016


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