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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Apr 2015 22:03    Post subject: AMD's RyZen
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Zen is the code name for a new x86 microarchitecture being designed by AMD from the ground up and is expected to launch in 2016–2017. Zen is the x86/64 sister core architecture to the solely 64-bit ARMv8-A K12.[1] Starting in 2015 the upcoming AMD Project Skybridge plans to develop x86 cores and ARM cores that are pin-to-pin compatible for both APUs and SoCs to control the motherboard with full support for HSA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Zen


What we know about AMD's upcoming CPU architecture are only rumors but, according to computerbase.de look pretty legit. http://www.computerbase.de/2015-04/zen-amds-neue-cpu-angeblich-modular-und-mit-vier-kernen/

The following slides were posted on http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/threads/421433-AMD-Zen-14nm-8-Kerne-95W-TDP-DDR4?p=5004649&viewfull=1#post5004649

They could very well be fake who knows.











According to computerbase.de it seems like AMD will be going the Intel way in their moduels and adding SMT (HT) to the cores. Lets hope they manage to imporve their IPC at least to an Ivy-Bridge level.

Personally, that Summit Ridge CPU without GPU seems most interesting. Since Intel is still asking fortunes for their 8 core CPUs, AMD could become a viable alternative. Not that I really need 8 cores (16 threads).


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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Apr 2015 11:54    Post subject:
A good AMD CPU would be nice. The current lack of competition for Intel is very concerning.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 20:59    Post subject:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/amd-zen-is-40-faster-than-current-x86-cores-zen-is-incoming/

Seems like this might be the AMD wonder proc they've been hoping for, a 40% efficiency/IPC bump over their previous cores? That's awesome indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 21:20    Post subject:
Efficiency is even more than that, closer to 100%. 40% IPC is also one hell of a jump (the one they so desperately need), that's something we haven't seen in a very, very long time. That's more than Intel has had coming from Core 2 to Haswell Laughing

Carrizo is launching in the next 4-6 weeks (much faster GPU than i5's, which is to be expected, but also HEVC hardware acceleration \o/ - perfect HTPC material). What they achieved with that one is quite crazy too. Apparently they optimised the design to the point where they squeezed in 29% more transistors in the same area. Or to flip it around, they shrunk the die by 23% and still gained 5% IPC and lowered power consumption by 40%. All that without a node jump.

2016 should be a pretty interesting year.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 21:23    Post subject:
Absolutely, I'm *really* looking forward to what 2016 brings us. I'm eyeballing an upgrade from my 2500k if I can get my head straight and build up my cab so it's ready for sale before I got to England later this year.. I'd love to see AMD put out a truly amazing processor again, maybe even entice me back to them for my upgrade... works out the same fucking thing anyhow, since I have to replace my mobo to upgrade to a better Intel proc. Even the 2600K's are still keeping €150/£150, it's nuts.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 21:44    Post subject:
Its about damn time for AMD to deliver. Since Intel inst going to suprise us with Skylake/Cannonlake, AMD has the ball in their court.

I really feel the need to upgrade my 3570K soon, but I want 8 cores for no other reason than to have them. So bring it on AMD! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 21:59    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
Its about damn time for AMD to deliver. Since Intel inst going to suprise us with Skylake/Cannonlake, AMD has the ball in their court.

I really feel the need to upgrade my 3570K soon, but I want 8 cores for no other reason than to have them. So bring it on AMD! Very Happy

Just go for Intel's new Xeon E7-8870/8880/8890? Troll Dad

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 22:12    Post subject:
Bring on the Pentadecacore!!

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 22:17    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 22:23    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
Werelds wrote:
Just go for Intel's new Xeon E7-8870/8880/8890? Troll Dad

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You mean E5-2699 v3?

No, I meant the E7-8870, E7-8880 and E7-8890. They're only $4672, $5896 and $7175 respectively (2.5, 3 and 3.5 times more expensive) and newer than the 2699 so they must be better right? Troll Dad
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 22:51    Post subject:
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The Fivetencore? (literally what it means in greek...)

First of all, fifteen in greek is decapente, it would be a decapentacore, if at all. Laughing

And then it has nothing to do with 15 cores, it's 18 cores... Confused

Cannot compute!


I just stumbled on the expression while googling Werelds Xeons. I didnt really think about it. It just made me laugh. Here is the link:

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-CM8063601213513-Pentadeca-core-Processor-Overclocking/dp/B00JNVF3VS

But it has only 15 cores indeed. http://ark.intel.com/de/products/75258/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-8890-v2-37_5M-Cache-2_80-GHz


Werelds? Dont make me lose my trust in your expertise!


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 10:02    Post subject:
Ah I hadn't even noticed, those are the V2's, I just quickly Google'd them Laughing

The V3's are out now with 18 cores / 36 threads as of 2 days ago, guess they're not on Ark yet Razz
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 13:09    Post subject:
Well watergem eergh I meant werelds, I guess it's time for a new account. And don't fuck it up this time!


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 13:28    Post subject:

Aaand Project Skybridge has been cancelled.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 16:05    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Ah I hadn't even noticed, those are the V2's, I just quickly Google'd them Laughing

The V3's are out now with 18 cores / 36 threads as of 2 days ago, guess they're not on Ark yet Razz



That was close!


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 17:07    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
Well watergem eergh I meant werelds, I guess it's time for a new account. And don't fuck it up this time!


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PostPosted: Wed, 25th May 2016 08:33    Post subject:
http://techfrag.com/2016/05/24/amd-zen-summit-ridge-twice-fast-fx-8350-par-intel-i7-5960x-extreme/
(http://m.3dcenter.org/news/amd-verspricht-fuer-bristol-ridge-einen-15igen-cpu-performancegewinn)

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Performance-wise, each Zen core is equivalent to two Piledriver cores. Considering Excavator cores are roughly 15% faster per clock than Piledriver, this means Zen would offer 60% more performance per clock than Piledriver – which in turn puts it in direct competition with Intel i7 5960X.
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PostPosted: Wed, 25th May 2016 10:45    Post subject:
That certainly sounds encouraging!
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PostPosted: Wed, 25th May 2016 10:53    Post subject:
Yes indeed. Might finally see some proper price war. Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 25th May 2016 11:47    Post subject:
I wonder what these will cost though. I hope they'll be at the same pricepoint as their FX series. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 25th May 2016 12:08    Post subject:
Cant wait. I wanted Zen to be my upgrade to my still good enough 3570K. And I've always said I wanted double the cores.


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PostPosted: Wed, 25th May 2016 13:06    Post subject:
hope they dont fuck it up, otherwise its finally the end for them
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PostPosted: Wed, 25th May 2016 14:22    Post subject:
Its simple maths guys, if the ZEN top end model is as fast as 5960X, its not going to be cheap. I really hope AMD would succeed this time, would be about time. One can hope tho that AMD will cut intel prices by 50% atleast, so people could get nice hardware for price what they should be.
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PostPosted: Wed, 25th May 2016 14:30    Post subject:
before the $ - € exchange fucked up the prices were really great from intel. xeon 1230v3 for less than 200 euros, the next model 1231v3 which is basicly the same but based on the refresh is still sold for solid 250 euros since a long long time. was below 200 euros too (two years ago), before the exchange rate was fucked. if you take that in account an actual i7 6700k would have been slighty above 250 euros in that time, and thats still great (not the 330 euros you have to pay actually)
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PostPosted: Wed, 25th May 2016 16:10    Post subject:
Btw isnt that 8 core model only in the server boards, in other words will not go to AM4 socket. 4c/8t ZEN will be little slower than 4770K, based on these benchmarks.
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PostPosted: Wed, 25th May 2016 16:19    Post subject:


What are you on about Breezer_?

We have no idea what they will or won't put Zen on yet. Zen's still 6 months out, 0 products announced.
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PostPosted: Wed, 8th Jun 2016 17:54    Post subject:
pga socket and 1.331 pins confirmed

still dont know why they use pga, soo many dumb people out there to destroy their pins ^^
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PostPosted: Wed, 8th Jun 2016 21:57    Post subject:
It's cheaper than the interposer Intel uses.
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