You know what pisses me off? In the Dominican Republic theres an international propaganda and pressure front against DR for moving Haitians back to their country. Even in the border you can pass walking and if they catch you they put you in a bus and back to haiti. They give no papers to people born here due to what is written in our constitution since the we liberated from Haitian/French occupation.
And now i see this and i had never heard of how violent the frontier is in europe.... and they have the balls to criticize us.
If only virtuous people would be able to criticize we would never hear what we do wrong or have the chance to improve on the things we are oblivious to.
If only virtuous people would be able to criticize we would never hear what we do wrong or have the chance to improve on the things we are oblivious to.
You don't have to be virtuous, but at least don't do exactly what you're criticizing... the word for that is hypocrisy.
You know what pisses me off? In the Dominican Republic theres an international propaganda and pressure front against DR for moving Haitians back to their country. Even in the border you can pass walking and if they catch you they put you in a bus and back to haiti. They give no papers to people born here due to what is written in our constitution since the we liberated from Haitian/French occupation.
And now i see this and i had never heard of how violent the frontier is in europe.... and they have the balls to criticize us.
And about how much daily/yearly are you talking about compared to here?
By seeing those video's, those people aren't the kind that let themselves get captured easy and rather die than get send back.
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You don't have to be virtuous, but at least don't do exactly what you're criticizing... the word for that is hypocrisy.
I agree that you can call it hypocrisy, but in most cases that doesn't degrade the advice you are getting. It just makes you more unwilling to hear it.
I used to be left-wing and felt that everyone deserved a chance. That was back when I was still naive and didn't realize how frail the welfare really state is.
At least 80% of these immigrants will never get a job if they do get here. They'll mooch of the welfare system, abuse it and many will turn to crime as an extra way of income.
The result is ALWAYS:
- higher crime
- higher pressure on working people when welfare systems in most countries are close to breaking point EXACTLY because of wild-spread immigrations
- entire communities and cities that deteriorate
This is a common occurrence in every area of the world where this happens.
No, not all of them are like that but the symptoms can't be ignored or denied - we already see major cities in Europe having fallen in decline for this very reason. With Eastern Europe having joined the EU, there's already a massive amount of low-paid workers entering the work force for manual labour jobs - there's NO room for illegal immigrants so is it that wrong to deny them entry in any way possible?
@red_avatar If only the west hadn't fucked their country up with perpetual wars. What would you do in their situation?
Still would be nice to see some improvements coming from them instead of blaming the West for another century.
(Not that we don't deserve blame and more. But it shouldn't be used as an excuse.)
@red_avatar If only the west hadn't fucked their countrIes up with Imperialism and perpetual wars. What would you do in their situation?
It's been 50 years since the West really was still heavily involved in Africa on such a deep level - since they got their independence, what has happened? Corruption, fights between nations and groups of people, a really poor and unreliable work force ... I won't say the West wasn't part of it, but, seriously - Japan was poor as well too 50 years ago. Look at Japan now! Even with the help of the West, most of Africa seems to be going nowhere. Its industry is pathetic, the quality of its products horrendous. There's no region in the world that has received as much relieve in terms of food, resources and money and most of it was squandered or taken by corruption, wars, etc.
But to get back to the main point: there are no longer any European countries that can carry the burden of extra illegal immigrants. After 20 years of horrible immigration policies created by corrupt left wing politicians combined with the poor economic climate of today, we see a massive strain on the welfare systems causing many corporations to flee Europe due to rising costs in wages to sustain these systems - and a large part of these systems are breaking exactly BECAUSE of the rampant immigration. Welfare pressure in Belgium alone has gone up 30% in the past 15 years (adjusted for inflation) despite the fact that the population has barely gone up.
We're already seeing China taking over a lot of the labour from Europe resulting in even less jobs and even more pressure on welfare. And idiots like Sin are still blind like a bat to what will happen when these systems collapse because soon it will no longer be sustainable ... I'll give you a clue: EVERY country in the world will suffer big time since Europe does a ton of importation which will take a serious hit (as is always the case with collapsing economies).
So, Belgium in the 60's was screaming for migrant workers (similar to Sweden in the 70's and early 80's) but now suddenly when you're on your feet they can fuck off because they're a 'strain'?
No wait, I stand corrected. There was a migration cap set in '74 for workers.
Well the haitian problem i cant imagine the numbers, but trust me, 6 years ago this wasnt at ALL similar to the numbers of haitians i see today everywhere.
But thats just small stuff i can assure you compared to europe's problem.
The shit is that all the possible international organizations have bashed us to no end ever since the damn haitian earthquake (and yet we helped build, donated, received them, supported them). Meanwhile we give free hospitals to haitians, free maternity wards and healthcare, work, treatment, space, you rarely see abuse. Personally i have never seen it not even heard.
Why are we bashed? Cause we denied citizenship to kids of illegal inmigrants born here as was written by our liberator from the haitian/french occupation in our constitution and we send them back to haiti without conflicts, we dont have that entry protection here since our border has been shit all the time and due to the history of DR with Haiti/France.
Meanwhile in Trinidad and Tobago the haitians who sailed in ships there got abused like hell, didnt see any rejection from the organizations. Usa has its treatment with inmigrants, europe has them, all the whole world has it. Yet they judge everyone else, fix your fucking abuses before pointing at everyone else.
So, Belgium in the 60's was screaming for migrant workers (similar to Sweden in the 70's and early 80's) but now suddenly when you're on your feet they can fuck off because they're a 'strain'?
I think it`s more like limiting the steady stream of refugees that flee from bad economy instead of wars/conflicts,not rounding up every "foreigner" and send them back to wherever with trains
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Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold...
So, Belgium in the 60's was screaming for migrant workers (similar to Sweden in the 70's and early 80's) but now suddenly when you're on your feet they can fuck off because they're a 'strain'?
No wait, I stand corrected. There was a migration cap set in '74 for workers.
Why do people love to compare apples and oranges? The modern times are completely and utterly different to the 60's.
Belgium and most of Europe was growing massively in the 60's - work for everyone while a lot of women stayed at home leaving a large demand for low paying jobs - they attracted workers from Italy and Turkey to fill those. These immigrants were needed and wanted. The Welfare system was also vastly different back then - unemployment had strict rules, lower pay and there was no income for unemployed immigrants who have never worked before. This meant that immigrants were no strain on society.
50 years later, it's the opposite. Our job market is flooded with cheap labour from Poland and Eastern Europe due to the open borders. Welfare is waaaay higher and also supports those who have never had a job. With far too much unemployment among immigrants who still mooch off the Welfare system, the system is at breaking point. This is unattainable and will result in countless people dropping below the poverty line and losing their homes because of the worst immigration and integration policy of Europe thanks to the scummy left-wing governments of the past 20+ years. So please explain to me why we SHOULDN'T close our borders?
The 80% I mentioned above is also perfectly true - over 80% of all people who illegally enter the country (like those seen in the vid), will never end up getting a job because they apply for asylum, use all sorts of legal tricks to prolong their stay while mooching off the Welfare system. This easily takes 5-10 years during which they receive €900+ a month for free. About 30% end up being legalized (although this number has been dropping due to stricter laws from the past few years - too little too late though) and of that 30% only half (or 15% of the total) end up getting a job so there's your 85% which I pulled from my ass ...
Now instead of being a troll and calling names, how about using facts to show I'm wrong, hmm?
@Invasor: if you enter as an illegal immigrant here you could actually find a stable job asap...
...as slave for the mob in one of them cropping fields in Calabria. Not recommended! xD
(Though you could also pursue a career in the drug warlord department, which is what FireMaster is trying to achieve as we speak. As well as becoming a dancing bear for the ladies >70, also very remunerative )
@ixi The coast guard in Italiy has a pretty big job with people from Albania tho O.o
Yep, back in the early 90s the situation was really critical (boats usually looked like this)
Now both the destination and source have changed, since it's mostly North-African immigrants reaching the Lampedusa island (and then being redirected to Sicily shortly after, not without complications), but overall it's still a lot of daily work for the coast guard.
It's a constant flux, and sadly there have been several tragedies too lately, with ships taking fire or just sinking because of their terrible condition :<. My sensation is that Italy isn't able to handle this issue without external help.
I'm serious though, as far as I know not even europeans can just get there and claim benefits, it would require having a regular job first, no?
Illegal immigrants in Denmark get pocket money and phone the day they enter the asylum center.
If they are granted asylum, they whole family is automatically also granted asylum with paid plane tickets, welfare and government appointed apartment / house from day one.
No wonder Denmark took more immigrants from Syria that 15 other EU countries combined, mind you, Denmark only have a 5 million population with the highest tax rate in the world.
You think our welfare state can last much longer with this immigration? Welfare rules for the danish citizen gets worse every year and more strict, i don't know how longer it can last in its current state.
I'm serious though, as far as I know not even europeans can just get there and claim benefits, it would require having a regular job first, no?
Illegal immigrants in Denmark get pocket money and phone the day they enter the asylum center.
If they are granted asylum, they whole family is automatically also granted asylum with paid plane tickets, welfare and government appointed apartment / house from day one.
No wonder Denmark took more immigrants from Syria that 15 other EU countries combined, mind you, Denmark only have a 5 million population with the highest tax rate in the world.
You think our welfare state can last much longer with this immigration? Welfare rules for the danish citizen gets worse every year and more strict, i don't know how longer it can last in its current state.
I see, I was thinking about a different kind of welfare (as in money to help the unemployed until they find jobs, retirement pension, etc). What you are describing is granting asylum, and if they are granted such status then it's not illegal immigration anymore, nor it is a regular citizenship, so I guess the whole benefit/welfare thing is different. I've never visited DK, and I didn't know you had so many refugees, it seems very noble of your country to accept so many.
I wouldn't know, obviously, how long your system can remain like it is. What I do know, though, is that despite all those refugees Denmark remains one of the best places in the world (a fact that also attracts immigrants like a lighthouse in the dark)...
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