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Better play this one. The Run will be much worse than this I think, because the cars behaviour in that will be even worse and the rest is pretty much the same if not worse, again. Yes, the cars behaviour in this one is quite bad... as in the cars control pretty much like boats, but the game itself is really great in my opinion. I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again, this is I think the best we'll get in this derp era when it comes to an oldschool arcade NFS title. I simply love the races on the mountains and all that. I don't know what kind of racing games you like, but if you think you can get past that, you should really try it.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 16:28 Post subject: |
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well, i guess i d rather re-install the older nfs games then, if i feel like it (last one i really liked was most wanted. Carbon and Undercover were "ok" as well). Or try shift again.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 16:29 Post subject: |
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Go with Shift or Porsche Unlimited. 
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 16:33 Post subject: |
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Ah, Shift.. Enjoy 0.5-second+ lag between key-press and car reaction. It feels like the car is on ice. I've tried various "tricks" and "tweaks" to fix it but it just feels crap.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 16:35 Post subject: |
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@all: thanx for the input / feedback 
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 16:35 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Ah, Shift.. Enjoy 0.5-second+ lag between key-press and car reaction. It feels like the car is on ice. I've tried various "tricks" and "tweaks" to fix it but it just feels crap. |
Did you try this?  -> http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=31366 |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 16:39 Post subject: |
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Don't bother ixi, Frant gave up a long time ago
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 16:47 Post subject: |
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Hot Pursuit was great, but for me the rubberband AI ruined everything.
Never have I seen a game with such a cheating AI, its impossible to fall behind and never catch up no matter how crappy you drive.
Its impossible to stay in the lead for long, or even extend the distance between the pack and yourself, they are always closely behind you.
You drive perfectly and then at the end one crash and suddenly you end up 5th just because the fucking AI is on a rubberband.
At the beginning its ok but once you play the game for a few hours it starts to snuff out all the fun.
This adaptive AI is the worst derp feature ever conceived.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 16:52 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | key-press and car reaction |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 16:57 Post subject: |
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Well by "key-press" you mean keyboard, no? I don't think one can enjoy much Shift with a keyboard. Why not try with 360 pad? With the appropriate mods, it is really good.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 16:59 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | Oh, no, this actually DID happen before. Probably in the shift thread. Then you said you didn't have a wheel and used a gamepad.
Gamepad. |
That's right, since my G25 broke some years ago, I did not buy another. But even with pad, it is infinitesimally better than a keyboard (analog vs binary  ). |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 17:02 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Well by "key-press" you mean keyboard, no? I don't think one can enjoy much Shift with a keyboard. Why not try with 360 pad? With the appropriate mods, it is really good. |
I hate gamepads with a vengeance. And I never had a problem with using the keyboard. I've always been good at driving with the keyboard, subconsciously I'll do dozens of tiny corrections every second to control the car.
GRID works perfectly well with a keyboard, yet the third-era NFS-games doesn't.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 17:04 Post subject: |
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That is because GRID doesn't have much physics to speak of. Its driving engine is very simplistic.
But never mind.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 17:09 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | That is because GRID doesn't have much physics to speak of. Its driving engine is very simplistic.
But never mind. |
GRID's driving engine is perfectly adequate and fun to play, not to mention the rather nice damage model. But then I'm not interested in ultra-realistic simulations, but people into those sims sure don't use gamepads for that, right?
Era 1: NFS 1-6, simple arcade
Era 2: Underground 1 & 2, Most Wanted, Carbon
Era 3: ProShit and forward.
In fact, the whole argument that it's because of the "super-complex advanced AI-based driving simulation interface" in NFS:Shift is just horseshit. You play with a gamepad and haven't experienced what I'm talking about. Your argument is like a console-derper going "gamepad wins over keyboard+mouse everytime", which is just dumb. Hundreds of racing games (simulations included) have had proper support for keyboard steering with advanced algorithms to simulate turn-rates, dead zones and whatnot. But for some reason the EA-team developing Era-3 games just didn't give a shit and didn't put any work/effort into those of us who prefer to play racing games with a keyboard.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 18:02 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Era 1: NFS 1-6, simple arcade |
What the fuck you talking about? Maybe 6 (HP2), but the rest? Simple arcade? |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 18:28 Post subject: |
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Well you claim keyboard is better than pad, so one so one is always
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 18:33 Post subject: |
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I wasn't mocking, just not taking the claim seriously. Just like I won't truly take a claim that a console analog controller is as good for aiming as a mouse.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 18:34 Post subject: |
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Which claim is that?
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 18:44 Post subject: |
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That the keyboard can be as precise as a pad. Isn't this what you said?
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 18:45 Post subject: |
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only racing game where keyboard is better than gamepad is Trackmania
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 18:59 Post subject: |
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Playing proper driving games (I mean the ones with a physics engine) with the keyboard is basically a suicide 
A 360 controller or equivalent (with analogic triggers) is the minimum requirement for such games.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Nov 2011 20:30 Post subject: |
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| Shocktrooper wrote: | | only racing game where keyboard is better than gamepad is Trackmania |
What ? I used to get the best times by turning with the analogue stick, you lose time if you intermittently tap a key at a long turn.
In fact I was so good that people were dropping me out of servers.
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