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blackeyedboy




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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Sep 2025 19:04    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
no jumping - no thanks. i thought this game was about exploration. I just can't take ""open world"" games or games about exploration and your character can't pass a brick on the ground. So retarded.


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gaeM iz gUt ur jsut h8ing eveRythiNg!!11

But seriously.®

Most games released today are console garbage with little to no innovation, soul or even complete PC features. Not to mention the infusion of political agenda crap.

But some 'people' (I'd call them bots, really) on this forum keep buying them, defending them and supporting this industry turned to shite...

Rolling Eyes


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SumZero




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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Sep 2025 19:12    Post subject:
Let me preface this with I have no interest in this game, or a reason to defend it specifically.
But let people, enjoy games they enjoy. Without worrying about if you like it?

Otherwise if we are going that route, then I would say the same of ANY games that fall into the groups of genres of: battlefield, CoD, Sims, SoulsLike, RogueLike, pixel art, or side scrollers. They all suck yet keep buying them and arguing: gaeM iz gUt ur jsut h8ing eveRythiNg!!11

Remember, people like shit you don't. People play games you wouldn't. People like games you don't. Could be a 1/10 game to you, and someone else a 10/10, or the other way around.

Shit games exist, good games exist. Which is which to each person, is only important solely to opinions of the person spending money on it.


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blackeyedboy




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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Sep 2025 19:43    Post subject:
Standards have become so low lately, that people don't realize how easily they accept mediocre games as good games.


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SumZero




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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Sep 2025 19:44    Post subject:
People don't realize, other than you. You see what others don't, you special observant devil you. Laughing

That same argument can be said for the last 20 years. Each one had its share of total shit games. It's like "Music was better in [some decade]" why we think that? We forgot the dump truck of shit songs never played on the radio, or on our own, a 1000 times and got lost to time. Shit games come out each year, but we remember the ones we put 100's of hours in.


Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."

- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.


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blackeyedboy




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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Sep 2025 19:51    Post subject:
You are either trolling me, or are simply too ignorant to perceive a massive degrade in quality in today's entertainment industries.


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SumZero




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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Sep 2025 19:56    Post subject:
No I see it, just its 'same shit different decade' is all.
My dad said the same of movies in the 90's. And music, and TV...entertainment to him went to shit in the late 90s.

I did to..10+ years ago.
For example I said the same of MMO's 15+ years ago with the 100's of shitty WoW clones (and WoW itself. Ruined MMOs). And the same to RTS with the Starcraft clones.
Don't remember the slew of 'WWII' FPS games? 90% of them being shit?
Games with zombies slapped into them over a decade ago, when it started? Most was utter crap.

Same-same. Just we grow older, have more expectations set in what we like and what is good, compared to 20+ years ago when every new genre we tried had nothing to compare it to, to realize some was 'kinda shit too'. And those we did, we forgot.

And now the new perpetual wave of gamers are like us back then, they don't have 2 decades of expectations and criteria needing to be met to find joy in a "Here is the 47th twist on a game type you played 100 different ways in other games".
One day these people will complain "They don't make them like fortnite, Man that game was GREAT!".

Filtered nostalgia is a wicked judge.
Why I don't go back and play old games. Most I do I realize "Wow, this is kinda garbage, at least compared to what I remember and expect now-a-days from a game like this"
Like Half Life 1, other than the enjoyable 'memberberries' of it opening memories of it. When I retried it, realized it was a pretty basic ass FPS shooter with a badly acted story if compared to modern ones. If they made it now, we would complain valve is making shovelware.


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- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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blackeyedboy




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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Sep 2025 20:45    Post subject:
The generational gap of culture, education and social customs DOES trigger such response and nostalgia, indeed. I 100% agree.

But if you keep continuing to discard the elephant in the room and ignore the main concern here, I believe you will continue this as a monologue.


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SumZero




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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Sep 2025 21:28    Post subject:
You keep pointing to an elephant. I agree yes it is there. But say its always been there. Just because you just looked and saw it, doesn't mean it's new.

I'd say the ratio of shit games to good games is the same as always. I had TONS of SNES games that was utter shit. More games than I can remember downloading on my 486 that was crap. many many many fly by night 'free' games that came with magazines or gaming media that took longer to install that it did to realize it sucked.
Ratio of sucked to good feels about the same to me now as it did back then retrospectively. For every good game, there is X amount of crap ones like it. We just don't remember the volumes of crap ones, because we spent time remembering the good ones.

Nothing new.

The current state of [insert random thing here] is has always been going down according to everyone: games, cars, music, TV shows, Movies, books, news, human condition, whatever. Ask anyone, and the longer they been around, the more it has went down. And it goes down faster the older you get.

We live in a perpetual Shepard Tone according to everyone, just matters how long you've had to listen on how far it seems you've heard it drop.



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vurt




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Sep 2025 09:08    Post subject:
blackeyedboy wrote:

Most games released today are console garbage with little to no innovation, soul or even complete PC features. Not to mention the infusion of political agenda crap.

But some 'people' (I'd call them bots, really) on this forum keep buying them, defending them and supporting this industry turned to shite...

Rolling Eyes


It is getting worse, and to me its sad that so much effort is spent on these projects when just small changes to them could have made them go from 6/10's to close to 9/10's.

I don't understand why i saw Gothic 3 and Elex being mentioned as similar games. This doesn't play like those games even one bit, this is much more like Resident Evil and walking sims, mixed slightly with open world feel but with boring restrictions of how you can explore it. In for example Elex you can jump/fly, swim, basically go anywhere, this is not such a game.
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blackeyedboy




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Sep 2025 09:15    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
blackeyedboy wrote:

Most games released today are console garbage with little to no innovation, soul or even complete PC features. Not to mention the infusion of political agenda crap.

But some 'people' (I'd call them bots, really) on this forum keep buying them, defending them and supporting this industry turned to shite...

Rolling Eyes


It is getting worse, and to me its sad that so much effort is spent on these projects when just small changes to them could have made them go from 6/10's to close to 9/10's.


I agree 100%, man.

Just add some rewarding to that exploration. Or...
A sense of progression. Or...
Proper PC features. Or...
Immersion through mechanics, interface and gameplay. Or...
True player agency. Or...
Enironmental storytelling. Or...
Mystery. Or...
Let the player discover instead of treating him like an idiot and hand-holding him... Or...

SO. MUCH. MORE.


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vurt




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Sep 2025 10:04    Post subject:
yup. i did like that there was no map and little hand holding here, but what's the point of restricting exploration to this great extent, very lazy and not how you do good exploration in games.
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Sep 2025 10:48    Post subject:


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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Sep 2025 11:56    Post subject:
This should have been a shooter.
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dsergei




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Sep 2025 14:48    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
This should have been a shooter.


Yes the combat is pretty wank and there is a lot of it. I think even just LESS of this combat with some rebalancing would be better.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Sep 2025 20:15    Post subject:
This combat is infuriating. The white citcle heal thing would be ok if i actually understood it. Seems the rings just vanish more often than i'm getting heals from them. And the enemies animations are pretty lame and i don't expect to be able to stagger anything in this.
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Sep 2025 20:38    Post subject:
YOu are jsut haters


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dsergei




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Sep 2025 21:13    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
This combat is infuriating. The white citcle heal thing would be ok if i actually understood it. Seems the rings just vanish more often than i'm getting heals from them. And the enemies animations are pretty lame and i don't expect to be able to stagger anything in this.



You have to press a button when the ring turns solid. The default key is X which is super awkward.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Sep 2025 21:40    Post subject:
Yeah, but then you dodge since you dont want to facetank and the ring doesnt work even when trying to time it
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Sep 2025 08:58    Post subject:


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Tschoob




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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Sep 2025 22:13    Post subject:
I liked the demo and waited for full release and I must admit I'm not dissapointed.
The game is much bigger than anticipated and they even optimized the performance.
No hand holding is really satisfying when solving all of the puzzles and there are a lot of them.
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SumZero




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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Sep 2025 23:20    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
YOu are jsut haters

Not sure if this was mimicry of me, or just coincidence. The way I capitalize too many first letters sometime, and usually always miss type just as jsut.
Old fingers suck trying to type fast like you are still 30 Razz. Spellcheck doesn't even try to fix just for me anymore. It gave up and assuming I want it that way.

If it wasn't carry on, just (jsut?) me noticing a similarity. If it was, good on ya. Expertly deployed subtly Smile


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pho08




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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Sep 2025 15:55    Post subject:
both this and Cronos get a lot more positive user feedback than critic feedback it seems.

citing steamdb and metacritic at least
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Sep 2025 18:04    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
YOu are jsut haters

Hey that's my style! ... 10 years ago Surprised


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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Sep 2025 21:02    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
tonizito wrote:
YOu are jsut haters

Hey that's my style! ... 10 years ago Surprised




boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
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SumZero




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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Sep 2025 21:11    Post subject:
Am I slowly turning into old @KillerCrocker Shifty Fellar


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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Sep 2025 21:19    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
KillerCrocker wrote:
tonizito wrote:
YOu are jsut haters

Hey that's my style! ... 10 years ago Surprised



SumZero wrote:
Am I slowly turning into old @KillerCrocker Shifty Fellar

Ain't we all ... Crying or Very sad


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MirkoOdora




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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Sep 2025 21:26    Post subject:
It's bland, empty and static. Sad


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