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| blackeyedboy wrote: | Here's something outRAGEous that I'm going to say:
"I'd say it makes MUCH MORE SENSE for Tommy to already have an innate bandit mafioso pedigree. Otherwise, any other regular honest-to-god Joe would have avoided business with the mob at all cost.
So that's why he sounds like some sort of gangster from the start. Who knows, maybe he had it in him already, since he is SO GOOD at being a mobster.
Hm? How does that sound?! |
Nothing outrageous about it. It's assumed everybody who decide to dabble in organized crime have some innate tendencies to do so. Tommy was the same way in the original, but he didn't sound like a walking cliche. Same for Vinny. Paulie was an introverted character who didn't like the life, in the remake he's a manic-depressive Joe Pesci on steroids. They made the changes in order to appeal to a larger audience, since these are the casual views on the american mob, and it's history.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 13:33 Post subject: |
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prudislav
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 13:46 Post subject: |
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they pretty much turned ¨the characters from Gothfather-like family of mobsters to group of Godfellas-like cliche gangstas.
tbh dont give a fuck about nostalgia or something
I just find the story of how "regular guy accidentally got with the mob due " much more appealing than "wannabe mafioso joing the mob" .... pick your poison i guess
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StEFaN7
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 14:04 Post subject: |
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it was about the character voice acting you fucks, the wannabe mafioso in the remake voice was great, in line with the story changes. in the original game its a story of a regular guy but even if that story is better the voice acting still was amateurish.
if the remake had the regular guy story but with wannabe mafioso voice then it would have been bad.
that amateurish voice acting was great 20 years ago, not so much now.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 14:18 Post subject: |
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StEFaN7
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 15:15 Post subject: |
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you have to treat this game as not a remake. the "little" changes are big enough but in the end both work. its ok to have a wannabe mafioso story and a normal guy story, its not ok to mix them.
you can say this remake is bad because they turned it into godfellas like, but that was by design and everything was changed to reflect that. so yeah, because of this its ok.
so yeah, tommy may sound dumb now but its because in this game he is a wannabe mafioso, wannabes arent the smartest of people. would have been bad if he was a normal guy but sounded like a mafioso, or the other way around.
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bronson
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StEFaN7
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 16:48 Post subject: |
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its not any switcheroo for player ego, they just changed, or "adapted" many things to make sense for this tommy. he is a wannabe, got into this wanted to be which later he did made it.
the new game has other problems, the tommy one aint a problem, both versions can exist.
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StEFaN7
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 19:10 Post subject: |
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I also look at the game as being different than the original. The characters are clearly rewritten, meaning it's a different style of writing and expressiveness. Yeah, you can hate it, or you can appreciate it.
Also, optionally, If you CAN tell your damn mind to stop making comparisons and take this new slice of cake as something fresh, you WILL see the quality in many details.
It is still a damn half-baked game in some areas, but it does have it's moments of making offers that you shouldn't refuse.
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Neon
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 21:14 Post subject: |
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can't compare anything according to idiots who like something. But they're hypocrites since they'll promptly switch threads and do the same with another game. It's just how people are.
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StEFaN7
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 22:13 Post subject: |
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| bringiton wrote: | | StEFaN7 wrote: | | Neon wrote: | I would stop making comparisons, if it wasn't called Mafia: Definitive Edition and marketed as faithful, expanded remake of the original.
What in the flying fuck am I supposed to compare it to? |
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That's just the hump for you. A "remake" needs to be 100% better in every single aspect while staying true to the original while innovating on the formula requiring a AAA-budget while retaining that indie feel and do your taxes and give you a blowjob at the same time, otherwise it's been "derpified". |
Don't forget also it can't cost full price as a new game, because it's just a remake.  |
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 22:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 22:52 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | I would stop making comparisons, if it wasn't called Mafia: Definitive Edition and marketed as faithful, expanded remake of the original.
What in the flying fuck am I supposed to compare it to? |
I read the SAME things as you about the game, but expected different stuff than you. That's something to think about, no? That's why we see things from different perspectives.
Why I expected something different!? Because I KNEW from the first screens that showed the characters remade (NOT REMASTERED!) that this will be a different approach. It was a fucking no-brainer.
BELIEVING blindly that, in 2020, this game will be a perfect replica of the classic game... is absolutely stupid. |
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Oct 2020 23:45 Post subject: |
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Just finished it. It was alright but the missions were mostly drive from A to B, and the shooting was over too quick, barely a few enemies just to warm u up and then mission ends. After the campaign end you're free to bore yourself to death in free ride mode with nothing to do.
it was nice visiting empire bay again in Mafia 3's engine. worth the isodemo or maybe a deep sale.
But it got me feeling like I'm better off replaying the original with a few mods.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Oct 2020 23:41 Post subject: |
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| bringiton wrote: | I did indeed play it back then and have fond memories of the game. That being said, it was never a truly polished game even back then. It was lacking in quite few things that contemporaries did better. The later (last) stages were incredibly annoying with enemies popping up behind cover and nearly one-shotting you.
The whole Mafia series has never been a AAA quality, all of them had flaws and this remake fits right in there with the other games. It's just that the flaws now sit somewhere else than before and that rubs some people the wrong way. |
Indeed. I remember liking the game for the settings and the ability to drive old cars, which was a novelty back then.. but now ? They should have remake the saboteur, its a much better game than anything in this series.
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| Vikerness wrote: | | bringiton wrote: | I did indeed play it back then and have fond memories of the game. That being said, it was never a truly polished game even back then. It was lacking in quite few things that contemporaries did better. The later (last) stages were incredibly annoying with enemies popping up behind cover and nearly one-shotting you.
The whole Mafia series has never been a AAA quality, all of them had flaws and this remake fits right in there with the other games. It's just that the flaws now sit somewhere else than before and that rubs some people the wrong way. |
Indeed. I remember liking the game for the settings and the ability to drive old cars, which was a novelty back then.. but now ? They should have remake the saboteur, its a much better game than anything in this series. |
Agreed, loved that game !
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ixigia
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 14:24 Post subject: |
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I recently reinstalled the original Mafia with just the widescreen/increased drawing distance fix and decided to do yet-another-playthrough in order to see if rose-tinted glasses had anything deceiving to say in 2021, and (to no one's surprise) there's no nostalgia factor involved here. It's exactly as I remembered it, simply a far better experience than the remake on all counts - the ones that really matter anyway: from the nail-biting direct 1:1 PC-centric shooting to the authentic tone of the narrative, from the pseudo-sim-like driving physics to the music, the AI and structure of the missions themselves.
It isn't all perfect of course, there are sections that objectively give the impression of being strung together with Vincenzo's second-hand duct tape and the open world itself feels very obsolete by today's standards, but it will never not be disappointing to see how twenty years of technological advancements were completely wasted by this pretty but ultimately hollow shell of a remake. Shame on you Hangarmen once again
| TheZor wrote: | | Agreed, loved that game ! |
Yup, enjoyed The Saboteur as well 
It wasn't as good or memorable as Mafia for me, but still unique in terms of atmosphere and well-crafted overall.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 22:42 Post subject: |
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Yeah the characters were a bit too cliche in that game, it was a bit "light" in those terms, but it's pretty much the only open world set in Paris, isn't it ? I just loved its recreation oozing with atmosphere, and the gameplay was solid arcadey fun. I've seen a fair share of demands for remakes, one can only hope - and also hope they don't ruin that lovely cheesiness along the way 
And I did the exact same thing you did with Mafia Remake/original Mafia games. I hadn't played the original Mafia again since my first playthrough back when it came out, tbh I had kinda forgotten some of it, I did hold it in pretty high regard but I was perhaps a little young to fully enjoy its themes.. so the remake felt pretty fine at first, since I didn't ask much of it. But after returning to the original, I much prefer the original approach to entering the mob, which is imo central to how the story ends up feeling. The voice acting did age a fair bit to be perfectly but it was to be expected, all things considered !
I perfectly understand they wanted to do something quite different, but that wasn't the one thing to change.
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Apr 2021 08:32 Post subject: |
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I distinctly remember the opening scenes (and several others) in the Saboteur consisting of jiggly titties n' ass. The protagonist did grow up in a French cabaret after all, didn't he? No way this one's getting remade in this day and age without quite a few cuts to appease the raging mentally ills.
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