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The general population in England have pretty poor English skills. There's a girl at work and she has to have someone check all of her emails to clients because she hasn't got basic English skills.
She thought all questions have to go in speech marks, and almost all of her sentences end in a question mark.
She's thick as fuck.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 09:09 Post subject: |
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I understand when ppl make mistakes while talking or writing in foreign language. But your own... I distaste that.
I'm reading a script that my professor in uni made. The guy abuses the commas so much I cannot follow his flow of thought! It's annoying!
Not to mention the Pythia problem, if you put the comma somewhere in the sentence it totally changes the freaking meaning of it!
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 10:10 Post subject: |
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From my own experience most brits are the worst spellers of all time. OF ALL TIME.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 10:26 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | | Must of's are phonetic mistakes. People heard those phrases before they've read them. It's all cool. Authors and journalists are paid to be grammatically correct. We are not. \o/ |
I'm sorry, but who the fuck (other than Northern chavs, they get close  ) pronounces "must've" as "mustof"? I've never *ever* heard anyone say "mustof".
Both you and snoop are quite wrong, it's not "new" or "internet" English. That's where shit like "ur" instead of "your" or "you're" comes in. There's another example in fact: "your" as a substitute for "you're". I always end up re-reading the fucking sentence because some illiterate fucker doesn't know the difference - that one *is* a phonetic mistake, but one that comes from not having a fucking brain. There is no way in HELL that anyone who actually knows the difference between the two should ever leave the apostrophe out.
I see the same mistakes made in Dutch and it annoys me shitless there as well. It always comes from people who sucked at their education or didn't care about it though. Not using proper casing and such I don't give a fuck about either, I do it when typing a forum reply but I don't always do it in IM. You'll never see me use "they're", "their" and "there" wrong though, another example of phonetic substitution coming from not actually knowing it. These are things you don't just "don't think about" when typing, it's something you do naturally because you've been taught to.
Fuck, English is a third language for me and I don't even think about any of this shit, how on earth can it be a problem for someone who speaks it natively and has had it in school just like I had Dutch in school ?!
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 10:50 Post subject: |
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And there's absolutely no excuse for having poor English. It's our language, we should be the best at it.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 12:32 Post subject: |
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A lot of the immigrant hating chavs don't go to school, so there you have it.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 13:25 Post subject: |
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innit bruv
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 14:59 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | WaldoJ wrote: | | Must of's are phonetic mistakes. People heard those phrases before they've read them. It's all cool. Authors and journalists are paid to be grammatically correct. We are not. \o/ |
I'm sorry, but who the fuck (other than Northern chavs, they get close ) pronounces "must've" as "mustof"? I've never *ever* heard anyone say "mustof". |
Heck, when I say it, it sounds like mustave which also sounds a lot like mustof. If an accent is thick, then it's even lollier.
As for youre, your, to, too it's sort of a thick brain fuck up. It's common, far more common than must ofs and must haves. So it's not kids skipping school, it's kids not understanding the difference. It's teachers not explaining them properly. It's a sad sad sad sad world out there, but, if you're main reason for not understanding someone is there grammer and speeling than your just being a dick. Because it's just as easy to understand broken english as it is to understand grammatically incorrect english. If anything you should be more greatfruit because the more people post badly, the more mistakes you notice, the stronger the force gets!
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 15:02 Post subject: |
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Teachers not explaining it properly?? The fucking HELL it is!
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 15:12 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Teachers not explaining it properly?? The fucking HELL it is! |
Well look at it this way, if you fuck up in school and your teacher sees you constantly fuck up on the same mistakes, the proper thing to do would be to take the student aside and explain their mistakes to them. Teachers used to do that. I remember when I was still new to English and I had to write a report on crops. But, I accidentally wrote corpses. I was using word, so when there was a squiggly red line under my other cropses, cropps, and it was all cool and clean under fertilized corpses, then corpses it was. Teacher asked me to redo it after she explained to me the mistake I've made. Same with too's and to's and thens and thans.
If a teacher cares, or can be bothered, he/she should help kids understand. But, sometimes they don't, and kids dont care. If a teacher doesn't care, the child will not care.
I agree that it's disgusting sometimes. But, short hand texts are impressive. And them making their way onto Facebook and other things. It's like a new language that makes sense grammatically but is written in, what to me appears as, gibberish. It's fascinating.
I'm lolling becaus everyone is trying to write proper proper if you know what i mean by proper english in this thread. Lolz
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 15:16 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 15:25 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | | if you're main reason for not understanding someone is there grammer and speeling than your just being a dick |
I'm not really. English is not my native language (it's my third language, like I said), so when I read a sentence like that (good one btw  ) my eyes quickly jump back a few words to make sure I'm interpreting the word correctly in its context, even if its spelling is fucked. And my guess is, so do your eyes. Things like "grammer" don't bother me, because that is either a typo or spelling mistake. Grammar mistakes however, such as with the apostrophe and the examples we've both laid out so far, do bother me because they change the structure and meaning of a sentence/word.
It's the same as when you look at a website. You don't notice it, but your brain automatically "skips" ads at most places nowadays, because you're used to every site having some (and often in the exact same spot). So instead of you looking at that ad and wasting a second, your brain picks it up somewhere in your field of view and goes "nah fuck that, that smells like an ad".
I'm not making this up 
Just Google for "site heatmaps" and you'll see that your brain does a lot of things you don't even realise. Same thing happens with text. Probably more for me than for some because English isn't my native language, but everyone's brain does that.
There's an aweful lot of research on these subjects and I've read quite a lot about it (both out of interest as well as professional necessity).
Edit: I obviously can't account for teaching in US/AUS/UK/CA, but if it's really that bad then I'm not surprised. I knew the US system is terrible until you get to university, but I assumed English would be taught properly.
Shorthand text is a different matter btw (there you go, an example straight away!). "your" vs "you're" doesn't fall in that category, as they both become "ur" and you *have* to read the context to know what the fuck it means 
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 15:34 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 15:43 Post subject: |
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I end up making a lot of mistakes. Do not hate please. I liek all off you 
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 15:45 Post subject: |
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Reminds me of awesome English class.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 16:29 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | I end up making a lot of mistakes. Do not hate please. I liek all off you |
We had our first English class at the age of 12, but our professor was terrible...he barely knew the basics 
Things got a bit better in High School, but the level of teaching was still hilariously poor
Luckily the English language has been recently introduced in elementary schools as well, which is already something for a country that doesn't give a damn about foreign languages |
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 16:32 Post subject: |
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Don't worry, Italy isn't half as bad as France
And in Northern Italy you can even speak German, most people there will get it just fine. That was pretty awesome for me both times I was there 
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 16:34 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 16:43 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | Don't worry, Italy isn't half as bad as France
And in Northern Italy you can even speak German, most people there will get it just fine. That was pretty awesome for me both times I was there |
hahah yeah, if you go to Trentino/Alto Adige they indeed know German better than Italian |
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 18:44 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | | garus wrote: | | WaldoJ wrote: | Reminds me of an awesome English class.
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