pff 90% of my bills are >100€ per month... last month I had 140 the month before that 90 and before that 160 I think...
right now I'm paying $25 for 500mb of data + another $25 for phone (200min daytime, unlimited evenings + weekends), voicemail, call display and unlimited sms. we have a calling card with cheap long distance through our home voip phone so that doesn't add anything.
Mchart wrote:
No idea how it works in CA, but in the US the iphone data plan *WAS* (Read - *WAS*, they no longer offer unlimited data, but offer capped for less per month) $30 a month. Really not any more expensive then non-iphone data plans. Now they offer 500mb a month for like $15, and more for more. Getting the iPhone doesn't make your bill realistically that much more expensive - Unless you didn't have a data plan to begin with.
my carrier doesn't have unlimited plans, but iphone plans and "other" smartphone plans are the same price.
^^ well our voip plan allows us to call a 1-800 number (free from any phone) for long distance, and the cost ends up on the home phone/internet bill we get
I can call Turkey from Canada for 5 cents a minute
^^ yeah, doesn't matter where the call is made from it's all the same price. I would still be using up my monthly minute allowance on my cell plan if I was calling during the day though.
oh, and on the subject of phone, this doesn't sound so good :/
Checked my plan quickly, it's €25 / month for 275 call minutes/SMS and data under a Fair Use Policy. I'm on Vodafone though, so next time there will be a hard limit on the data I think, because they changed that a while ago for new customers. Straight from the Vodafone site for the iPhone 4 16GB: €99 one-time fee for the phone, €39.50/month for the iPhone 275 plan which has the same 275 minutes/SMS, and a 1GB data plan.
Voted for Samsung because the screen is superior to all the other ones (yes even your preciousssssss retina display which is nothing different than a standard lcd display with a higher resolution...). And it's hummingbird platform is much faster than the rest + you have a huge internal memory which I think is quite important for android phones (HTC just does not get this...).
On the other hand I think that you'd be pretty with a jailbroken iphone too, as there are plenty of apps and games for it. Just remember to get some lube with it
Voted for Samsung because the screen is superior to all the other ones (yes even your preciousssssss retina display which is nothing different than a standard lcd display with a higher resolution...). And it's hummingbird platform is much faster than the rest + you have a huge internal memory which I think is quite important for android phones (HTC just does not get this...).
On the other hand I think that you'd be pretty with a jailbroken iphone too, as there are plenty of apps and games for it. Just remember to get some lube with it
You've never compared both in real life then.
The Pixel Density of the iPhone 4's display is far superior to any other phone, and it becomes immediatly obvious when comparing. The panel they put in there itself is of higher quality then many other phones as well. If you put a bunch of phones down on a table and compare accuracy of color tone, viewing angle, and just generally what display looks better - The iPhone 4 wins out every time. The 4's display is so good that it becomes immediatly obvious you are looking at an iPhone 4 everytime you see that display.
And great, your phone is technically faster. All that hardware means jack and shit without any software. Last time I checked, the iOS platform was the one getting all the amazing looking new games.
oh, and I'm not sure if this has been answered ... can the most recent iOS version that would come on a new phone be jailbroken?
also, I assume it would be worth switching the default htc sense based rom for something like cyanogenmod or something along those lines (tell me why exactly would help )
4.1 is the latest for iPhone 4 I beleive. Includes the 4.1 baseband unlock as well.
4.2 should be coming out soon. If you get a phone now it probably will have 4.1 on it though.
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Never needed to jailbreak my iPhone yet. That said, i'm going to have to when I move to the UK since AT&T are a bunch of fags and lock the US iphones to att only.
That should be noted as the only downside of getting a carrier contract iPhone 4. It is cheaper - But you will be forced to jailbreak if you want to use it with other carriers.
also, I assume it would be worth switching the default htc sense based rom for something like cyanogenmod or something along those lines (tell me why exactly would help )
I still haven't rooted my Desire, still running stock ROM. I have exchanged Sense for LauncherPro though. I'm thinking about rooting though, so that it's easier to theme everything, but from a practical point of view there is just no need to root or load a custom ROM at all. You can get rid of a load of the builtin crap, but quite frankly, I can hide apps with LP, and even if some of them do load on boot in the background, they'll be closed soon enough by the task manager. I've never run out of memory at least.
And as far as games go, yes the iPhone does have the UE crap on it now. Strangely enough though, they're not the games that get you (or well, me at least) addicted. It's shit like Angry Birds that does it, and the emulators ofcourse. And those games typically have a version for both platforms, or equivalent games on each
So perhaps that's something to consider as well nouseforaname? Are you looking to play full on 3D games, or the smaller fun 2D games? Same goes for customising the looks of the OS (check out some videos of some home replacers for Android if you haven't already, LauncherPro, ADW, and so on).
somewhere lost in this page were the details, desire z = $500 - $420 contract discount = $80, iphone4 16gb = $660 - $500 discount = $160, galaxy s = $500 - $400 discount = $100
Unless you've already crossed over to the Derp Side, you must know that 'carrier discounts' are bullshit. You pay the full price for the phone in the monthly charge. I don't know if canadian carriers offer 'sim only' deals. The monthly charges for those plans are much lower than these contracts with phones.
somewhere lost in this page were the details, desire z = $500 - $420 contract discount = $80, iphone4 16gb = $660 - $500 discount = $160, galaxy s = $500 - $400 discount = $100
Unless you've already crossed over to the Derp Side, you must know that 'carrier discounts' are bullshit. You pay the full price for the phone in the monthly charge. I don't know if canadian carriers offer 'sim only' deals. The monthly charges for those plans are much lower than these contracts with phones.
Not in the US at least. Probably not in CA either.
I know when I looked at UK plans it was that way though.
Here though, the monthly rates are the same either way.
Unless you've already crossed over to the Derp Side, you must know that 'carrier discounts' are bullshit. You pay the full price for the phone in the monthly charge. I don't know if canadian carriers offer 'sim only' deals. The monthly charges for those plans are much lower than these contracts with phones.
I'm going to pay the monthly charge regardless, and there is no difference in price besides the time commitment.
pwerelds wrote:
So perhaps that's something to consider as well nouseforaname? Are you looking to play full on 3D games, or the smaller fun 2D games? Same goes for customising the looks of the OS (check out some videos of some home replacers for Android if you haven't already, LauncherPro, ADW, and so on).
mostly the type of game to kill 15 minutes on the subway, but I assume there will be times (plane/train trips) where I'd like something with a bit more substance. SNES emulator is a priority as well
who in his right mind would buy a phone because it got some more cheap games?
Because some people have a life, and want games they can quick play while they are riding the subway to work.
And the iPhone has more then 'cheap games'. It also has far more full-fledged titles.
There is no comparison between the games available on iOS and Android. The Android has good games - But right now it isn't anywhere near what iOS has; Both in the 'cheap' and 'AAA' areas.
tbh i don't see any 'AAA' games on both android and apple market, it's just stupid physic puzzles all over again, if you like gaming you should strongly consider getting a DS or a PSP or running an emulator to play some good console games on your phone (works on both android + apple).
tbh i don't see any 'AAA' games on both android and apple market, it's just stupid physic puzzles all over again, if you like gaming you should strongly consider getting a DS or a PSP or running an emulator to play some good console games on your phone (works on both android + apple).
You mean games like GTA China Town wars, SF4, PvZ, Sonic 4, and Need for Speed?
There are a shit ton of AAA titles which are just as full-fledged as DS/PSP games on the iOS platform. GTA China Town wars actually is better on the iPhone then it is on the DS. Very similar mechanics due to the touch screens - But the iPhone is capable of much better graphics. SF4 iPhone is pretty kickas as well. Didn't think a fighting game with no buttons would be possible; It definatly works great though with the touchscreen.
Yeah, the DS is great - But that requires me to carry a seperate device around. So until they come out with a DS phone - The iPhone will do.
Yeah, the DS is great - But that requires me to carry a seperate device around.
yeah, this is a big issue for me as well. I was really close to buying a psp a while back until I realized I didn't want to deal with carrying another device around with me (most days I'm not even carrying a bag). Plus, yet another thing to make sure I have charged!
I'm an Apple hater myself. That said, they did good with the iPhone. I won't let some stupid fanboy love/hate bullcrap get in the way of buying the best product for the money.
btw, 22 - 22 ... close race. If I end up with an iphone my wife isn't going to let me hear the end of it after all my apple rants
Anyone who knows me, knows that I absolutely despise Apple's pricing scheme. Closed system and such aside, all of their shit is just way too expensive for what you get. The only product-related rant I've ever let out is the engineering fuckup they did with the iPhone 4's antenna, but I suspect they've fixed in the current revisions of the thing?
The actual products are fine though, it's just the friggin pricing which pisses me off. Especially since I'm doing some software development for OS X now, and you can't do that reliably without spending at least 700 euros on a Mac Mini or a grand on any form of a Macbook, even if you already have hardware identical to that in those systems >_<
Why not just use OSX86? If you have compatible hardware, then it fits like a glove (and in most other cases too, so no need to be anal about hardware match - it is x86 after all).
I do have OSX86 running. The thing is, the videocard in my laptop doesn't match, even though it's plenty powerful to run OS X: GMA 4500.
Guess what: Apple supports the GMA3 series and the current "HD" series, but not the 4500 - which is the version right in between those 2. Considering it's really cumbersome to port a Linux or even BSD driver to OS X, pretty much noone has bothered with it, and it took me hours of hacking and fucking around just to get it to run at my native resolution. 0 hardware acceleration though, so it's often choppy as fuck. Wifi obviously also doesn't work
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