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Ronhrin
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iNatan: in the eyes of your family, you should be considered the black sheep right? 
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 22:52 Post subject: |
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Lolwut? My grandmother (age 94) was a communist at the appropriate time and still believes in that ideology, my mother has no beliefs/illusions about religion. We joke about jooz all the time. 
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 22:55 Post subject: |
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:/ Seems as if he became one of that "muslims" you wouldn't want to meet in a plane No really, seems as if he is part of a wahabi sect :/ That are the mofos you hear mostly about in the news...
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 22:56 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Lolwut? My grandmother (age 94) was a communist at the appropriate time and still believes in that ideology, my mother has no beliefs/illusions about religion. We joke about jooz all the time. |
What's wrong with communism?
It's as much failed as democrary 
So, you are basically a jew that is not a jew, paradoxical, ain't it
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 23:01 Post subject: |
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Where have I said communism is that wrong? I have very socialist view on the world, just so you know.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 23:06 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Where have I said communism is that wrong? I have very socialist view on the world, just so you know. |
Well, my political views all tend to Anarchy, and in my view is the only truly possible working system for humans in the long run.
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 23:14 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | Where have I said communism is that wrong? I have very socialist view on the world, just so you know. |
Well, my political views all tend to Anarchy, and in my view is the only truly possible working system for humans in the long run. |
Anarchy?? 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 23:20 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | Where have I said communism is that wrong? I have very socialist view on the world, just so you know. |
Well, my political views all tend to Anarchy, and in my view is the only truly possible working system for humans in the long run. |
Anarchy?? |
Yes Anarchy, as in a system without a ruling entity.
Most people simply do not understand anarchy, but when you think about it, the major part of the internet functions partially like an Anarchy...
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 23:30 Post subject: |
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| Reklis wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | dingo_d wrote: |
Anarchy?? |
Yes Anarchy, as in a system without a ruling entity.
Most people simply do not understand anarchy, but when you think about it, the major part of the internet functions partially like an Anarchy... |
I've read an awesome book on anarchy which basically shed some light on the historical background and showed some examples of anarchy still in place today (mostly south america).
Problem is it was written by a German and so I think it is only available in german but for people interested (and fluent in german) look it up
Horst Stowasser - Leben ohne Chef und Staat
Like I said, I don't know if it was released in english google didn't throw out something on the first glance. |
Did it cleared your perceptions about Anarchy, does it speak about the unavoidable fallacies of both Democracy, Communism and every other political system in working today?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 23:34 Post subject: |
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Anarchy has less chances of survival than democracy, really. If you look throughout history, it is very easy to see that anarchy has never worked, and indeed has never been a main "system". Always a tribe, council, etc that is something more than the individual. This is of course true for the entire animalia, not just humans.
In fact, if you look at history objectively, the most successful system of governing is monarchy. Again, looking at the entire kingdom of animalia, this is again true - always a queen, a pack leader, etc., that assumes a leading position, which commands the others.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 23:48 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | Anarchy has less chances of survival than democracy, really. If you look throughout history, it is very easy to see that anarchy has never worked, and indeed has never been a main "system". Always a tribe, council, etc that is something more than the individual. This is of course true for the entire animalia, not just humans.
In fact, if you look at history objectively, the most successful system of governing is monarchy. Again, looking at the entire kingdom of animalia, this is again true - always a queen, a pack leader, etc., that assumes a leading position, which commands the others. |
Indeed, but as far as Anarchy goes, it has failed so far for two main reasons, mainly because it promotes the removal of any leadership concept and this goes against many social and political interests, secondly, because most situations through out history when a certain community or country experienced a temporary Anarchy, it was almost always due to the fall of a government, and people exploited the fact that there was no "law" because they were aware that their situation was only temporary.
The fact is that all small communities where people choose Anarchy as their political standpoint have been proven self sustainable and working thus far.
The difference between Anarchy and every other political system is that, you can't force Anarchy into a community, it must be a conscious choice made by people on that community, as contrary to Democracy or Communism, those systems are merely forced upon their communities.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 23:49 Post subject: |
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inatan, you're a "non" jew yet you speak both hebrew and yiddish? quit jewing around 
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 23:51 Post subject: |
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I'm for enlightened absolutism: worked great in Austrian-Hungary monarchy (not for Croats per se, but we got a to of good stuff too ^^)
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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LeoNatan
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| Epsilon wrote: | | inatan, you're a "non" jew yet you speak both hebrew and yiddish? quit jewing around |
Google translate speaks Yiddish.
BTW, וווּ איז דיין פירונג טיטל? |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Feb 2010 00:01 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | Indeed, but as far as Anarchy goes, it has failed so far for two main reasons, mainly because it promotes the removal of any leadership concept and this goes against many social and political interests, secondly, because most situations through out history when a certain community or country experienced a temporary Anarchy, it was almost always due to the fall of a government, and people exploited the fact that there was no "law" because they were aware that their situation was only temporary.
The fact is that all small communities where people choose Anarchy as their political standpoint have been proven self sustainable and working thus far.
The difference between Anarchy and every other political system is that, you can't force Anarchy into a community, it must be a conscious choice made by people on that community, as contrary to Democracy or Communism, those systems are merely forced upon their communities. |
I will say something very unpopular, but it is true. Most people do not want to lead, do not want to make heavy decisions, do not want to feel as if they are not part of something bigger, etc. This is why anarchy is not a possible alternative at all. Even in the small groups you mention, which are very small, and their anarchy is very artificial, there are still some that are viewed as the de facto leaders, even if not called such. I say artificial, because these groups are subset of countries where there is still a different governing system which allows them to operate in a semi-anarchist way ("virtual/emulated" anarchist? ). Indeed, what usually becomes of such anarchist groups is a lot of talking and criticism of everything in the left-right political system, but when push comes to shove, they break down. |
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Epsilon
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| iNatan wrote: | | Epsilon wrote: | | inatan, you're a "non" jew yet you speak both hebrew and yiddish? quit jewing around |
Google translate speaks Yiddish.
BTW, וווּ איז דיין פירונג טיטל? |
I haven't gotten around to it yet. |
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LeoNatan
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Do you also use Google translate or know Yiddish?
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Epsilon
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| iNatan wrote: | | Do you also use Google translate or know Yiddish? |
I don't use google translate  |
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Feb 2010 03:43 Post subject: |
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you know the 40 virgins sound like a good offer
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Sin317
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LeoNatan
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Would you feel better if I said the "two" major religions then?  Rejoice.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Feb 2010 07:47 Post subject: |
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So the 40 year old widower with children is virgin?  How does that happen?
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Frant
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| Quote: | Most non-Christians in the Western world are irreligious, 30% in Australia, 16% in Canada, ca. 15% in Europe and 12% in the USA. This is a reflection of the tradition of secular humanism which culminated in the 18th century "Age of Enlightenment" and which allowed the great progress in science and technology which accompanied the "European miracle".
Secular humanism is a humanist philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and justice, and specifically rejects supernatural and religious dogma as the basis of morality and decision-making. Like other types of humanism, secular humanism is a life stance that focuses on the way human beings can lead good, happy and functional lives.
The term "secular humanism" was coined in the 20th century, and was adopted by non-religious humanists in order to make a clear distinction from "religious humanism". Secular humanism is also called "scientific humanism". Biologist E. O. Wilson claimed it to be "the only worldview compatible with science's growing knowledge of the real world and the laws of nature". |
Secular humanism is my preferred philosophy. I'm a staunch supporter of secularism.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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