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drakgon
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Some good movies, blues, jazz, rock bands, the US has great stuff,
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nouseforaname
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drakgon
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005 23:57 Post subject: |
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lol sid exactly what i said before.... ohh and i apologize for my horrible spelling punctuation and grammer.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 01:27 Post subject: |
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| Siddhartha wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | wtf is a dead? you mean deed 
And yes ... it is a deed when the government makes a conscious choice to listen to the majority of its citizens (unlike the UK government) and not go to war. |
You brighten my day with your comments. Apparently Canadians believe that doing nothing is a deed. Lets just take your logic a step further...
Fisk asks Sexyjesus to help him assault Weducks with a pie. Sexyjesus declines because his mama would object. Has Sexyjesus now committed a good deed by simply doing nothing? Come on... |
Ur right, we Canadians do nothing...instead SJ should pull is 9mm out and blow off fisk's head for asking right? Good ol american problem solving, when in doubt, shoot each other lol |
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fisk
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 01:57 Post subject: |
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You just made my sig.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 01:59 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | You just made my sig. |
hahaha, nice  |
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 10:01 Post subject: |
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drakgon
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fisk
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 11:11 Post subject: |
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| drakgon wrote: | | kosmiq, a few wars were just and brought on, for example ww2, the fact that sweden did not take part in such wars has often been used as an insult to the country... |
Well, it's a half-truth. It's true that Sweden didn't participate with soldiers and armament - yes. What Sweden however did was to receive people who fled from the war ... yes, sometimes in limited supply (since some in our government supported the german war, politicians and nobility are corrupt everywhere) .
Many swedish families received refugees, and escaping jews, et cetera.
The swedish army at the time of the second world war consisted of such a limited supply, that we could not even defend one small city, even less "attack" any other nation.
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Officially, yes - Sweden stood "neutral", and in a way I think that's cowardly - as it's an easy way to side with whatever winner there is. On another hand - there was no war on swedish soil. Which meant, our resources could be used to provide help.
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Some articles on the subject:
http://www.patriot.dk/escape.html
http://www.geocities.com/iturks/html/world_war_ii_4.html
http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/What_happened_with_Sweden_during_World_War_II
Below in swedish only:
http://home.swipnet.se/Sverige_under_kriget/
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drakgon
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 11:22 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Well, it's a half-truth. It's true that Sweden didn't participate with soldiers and armament - yes. What Sweden however did was to receive people who fled from the war ... yes, sometimes in limited supply (since some in our government supported the german war, politicians and nobility are corrupt everywhere) .
Many swedish families received refugees, and escaping jews, et cetera. |
well so did most countries... including the ones who partook in the war.
| Quote: | | Officially, yes - Sweden stood "neutral", and in a way I think that's cowardly - as it's an easy way to side with whatever winner there is. |
well germany looked invincable till 1942, yet all british dominions helped Britain them before hand... so if sweden did pledge its support to the allies they would have joined what seemed to be the loseing side.
edit:..... watch no more reply's on wasting my time ( this scentance took me approx 20 secs.)
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fisk
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 11:25 Post subject: |
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Escaping to a land in peace is an a lot better respit, than to hide where war is all about.
Sweden had dialogue with Germany and gave aid to them in the early war (1939 & some in early 40) - after that, nearly all communication with Germany ceased. From 1940-1945, Sweden stood as a neutral ground.
| Quote: | Sweden mobilised when her neighbours were invaded, which in a broad sense had about the same effect on Swedish economy and society as it did in warring nations. There was no wardamage to industry or economy, nor permanent loss of labour, but dependency on international trade - which ceased entirely off and on - assured severe damage to the economy nonetheless. In terms of society, the position of women was improved for very much the same reasons as in e.g. the US.
Politically, Sweden remained fairly homogenous during the war, with only very minor factions overtly supporting either side in the war. Sentiment was strong about the fate of neighbours (Finland, Norway and Denmark) and Sweden had minor involvment in these nations (volonteers and large deliveries to Finland, the covert training and supplying of Dane and Norwegian resistance etc), which however had no significant effect on events. |
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| Quote: | | Throughout the war, Swedens military capacity never exceeded a at best doubtful capacity of defending her own territory, let alone allowed intervention in foreign affairs. The prospect of Swedish volontary entrance in the war was not really welcomed by either side at any time, as the Swedish contribution would be rather useless and perhaps even become a liability, and so Sweden was by and large considered more useful as neutral ground. |
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