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Sayko
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The funny thing in this is how the fallout zealots gonna go berzerk!
we should be ready for neverending bethesda bashing..
fallout fanbase is uber-dramatic.. and me.. i will wait and see what they propose before i start whinning..
I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 10:41 Post subject: |
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Damn, this is great news!
Bethesda is a great company and I'm sure they gonna make F3 just good!
This company has a lot of expirience and they gonna put alot of effort to make this game a sucsess like it's pred.
They also working on the next game in Elder scroll, and that's double fun.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 16:34 Post subject: |
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| Sayko wrote: | The funny thing in this is how the fallout zealots gonna go berzerk!
we should be ready for neverending bethesda bashing..
fallout fanbase is uber-dramatic.. and me.. i will wait and see what they propose before i start whinning.. |
No, fans of the series are extatic over this, since they know that this can only lead to good things. Interplay is dead, and Fallout cannot die with it - it's too good for that.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 17:02 Post subject: |
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I guess the difference is you probably liked Morrowind, and that's going to be the overriding factor - for me the game was in concept fine and exciting but the way it was executed (the enviroment, NPCs, extrapolation of the 'storyline', combat etc...) was very poor and offputting.
Again like I say, it something I spoke about a long time ago now and I don't want to dredge up the past - but Morrowind being the model for which Fallout III will undoubedtly follow is not my idea of something to anticipate with anything but skepticism 
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 17:16 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | I guess the difference is you probably liked Morrowind, and that's going to be the overriding factor - for me the game was in concept fine and exciting but the way it was executed (the enviroment, NPCs, extrapolation of the 'storyline', combat etc...) was very poor and offputting.
Again like I say, it something I spoke about a long time ago now and I don't want to dredge up the past - but Morrowind being the model for which Fallout III will undoubedtly follow is not my idea of something to anticipate with anything but skepticism |
"I, for one, am very excited to have a chance to work on something that's so fundamentally different from Morrowind." - one of the developers said this. So no, I'm not worried about it being too similar to Morrowind. I enjoyed it, but it was a flawed game. The thing that makes me happy now is that we will finnaly get to play at least a decent, large, and deep RPG on the PC again. That is all. I don't care if it's 3d or not, I don't care if it's turn based or not - just make it fun to explore the world.
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 17:17 Post subject: |
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I can't believe this. Great news.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 17:24 Post subject: |
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| KleptoZ wrote: | | Sayko wrote: | The funny thing in this is how the fallout zealots gonna go berzerk!
we should be ready for neverending bethesda bashing..
fallout fanbase is uber-dramatic.. and me.. i will wait and see what they propose before i start whinning.. |
No, fans of the series are extatic over this, since they know that this can only lead to good things. Interplay is dead, and Fallout cannot die with it - it's too good for that. |
You obviously havn't been reading the forums at "No Mutants Allowed" the diehard fallout fansite.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 17:26 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 17:26 Post subject: |
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| Anticasper wrote: | | KleptoZ wrote: | | Sayko wrote: | The funny thing in this is how the fallout zealots gonna go berzerk!
we should be ready for neverending bethesda bashing..
fallout fanbase is uber-dramatic.. and me.. i will wait and see what they propose before i start whinning.. |
No, fans of the series are extatic over this, since they know that this can only lead to good things. Interplay is dead, and Fallout cannot die with it - it's too good for that. |
You obviously havn't been reading the forums at "No Mutants Allowed" the diehard fallout fansite. |
Actually, by "fans", I mean yours truly here. The people that freqent NMA and RPGCodex are not fans, they are sad and pathetic nerds who hate everything that isn't the original Fallout. I could not care less about these people, who would rather Fallout 3 not being made at all.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 17:44 Post subject: |
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Well, Morrowind was a decent game, Fallout was excellent. But i still like bethesda for the style of their games, and honestly i hope they make a cracking game out of this.
A few things are worrying me though.
Are they gonna keep the SPECIAL system? no SPECIAL no Fallout.
Morrowind as far as i'm concerned was more of an exploration game than an RPG, i hope they get some better writers for the quests because most of the quests in MW were absolute stinkers (bloodmoon was alot better though)
Actually i hope they do a first/third person rpg game, walking through the wasteland morrowind style would be great fun, and it should advance the franchise quite a bit.
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BoZo_
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 17:52 Post subject: |
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| KleptoZ wrote: | I just orgasmed mentally.
If Bethsoft will learn from their mistakes from previous games, this can just quite be the finest RPG ever made. This fucking made my day.
EDIT: Also, the thought of a first person Fallout suddenly seems all the more appealing. |
I don't think a first person fallout game will be that appealing! Think about it KleptoZ! They will use new graphics and what will we get? A small world with walls surrounding every map (like in DX2) limiting our ability to explore the huge world of fallout! They can't make that world big on first person, unless they intend to use a blue ray DVD of 25-50GB.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 17:54 Post subject: |
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| fizzelopeguss wrote: |
Are they gonna keep the SPECIAL system? no SPECIAL no Fallout.
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No Fallout for you then 
When last I heard, SPECIAL was still Interplay's property. It isn't exclusive to Fallout. Besides, Interplay still owns the rights to Fallout, they just gave Bethesda the right to make future Fallout RPG's (3,4,5) while still keeping the rights to creating what they do best: crap. MMORPG's, action games, etc.
So no, I don't believe Fallout 3 will be using Special. I also wouldn't count on it being turn based.
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I don't think a first person fallout game will be that appealing! Think about it KleptoZ! They will use new graphics and what will we get? A small world with walls surrounding every map (like in DX2) limiting our ability to explore the huge world of fallout! They can't make that world big on first person, unless they intend to use a blue ray DVD of 25-50GB. |
Please. Play Morrowind.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 18:04 Post subject: |
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I see nothing wrong with Fallout turning FPS. Technically, morrowind IS an FPS. That doesn't prevent it from having an huge world ... They could use the same kind of dynamic loading point in fallout.
The game load a 2 km square around you. When you reach the end, you get a small loading while the game load the next 2 km ... and that's it !
I really liked that in morrowind. That's what made you feel totaly free.
They could also do it in a more "fallout" way. When you reach the limit of a zone, it switch to map mode. That was how it worked in Fallout, you can do the same thing with an FPS view.
Also, you all suppose that Troika wouldn't have done a FPS. Don't be that sure guys. Troika is currently making Vampire : the masquerade 2, and it's an FPS/RPG !
An hole is an hole. Dick have no eyes.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 18:04 Post subject: |
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I actually have morrowind here somewhere. Never played it though.
I'm gonna play it now and get a clue on how the next fallout title will be...
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 18:18 Post subject: |
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The IGN interview confirms (more or less) that Fallout3 won't be isometric at least. I believe that is a good thing. Third person chasecam would be nice.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 18:20 Post subject: |
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An interesting stance you've conciously taken there... personally I would rather they pillaged some other intellectual property for backdrop, characters and storyline - as with Morrowind they don't actually seem capable of creating their own with any degree of skill.
Morrowind was a mish mash of ideas and textual output that had very little entertainment value to people such as myself.
Those nerds/fans your speaking of have just as much right to an opinon on the fallout franchise as you. Just because some of us are skeptical, or downright afraid of change doesn't make us wrong (look at Neverwinter Nights and Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic - both streamlined, only one entertaining - albeit as a strictly linear adventure game. not RPG).
If this is something to embrace then that makes me sad.
| Quote: | | Also, you all suppose that Troika wouldn't have done a FPS. Don't be that sure guys. Troika is currently making Vampire : the masquerade 2, and it's an FPS/RPG ! |
True, there is a lot of appeasement to maximise profits, but in the case of Vampire it's original engine was 3D so it makes sense that the sequel continues in that trend. Whereas with Fallout you would expect something approaching a 2D/3D hybrid allowing the gameplay to stay intact and more attention to be focused on the games details (be they graphical or otherwise).
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 18:55 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: |
Those nerds/fans your speaking of have just as much right to an opinon on the fallout franchise as you. Just because some of us are skeptical, or downright afraid of change doesn't make us wrong (look at Neverwinter Nights and Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic - both streamlined, only one entertaining - albeit as a strictly linear adventure game. not RPG).
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I fault no one for being skeptical. I do fault people for not even giving a chance to a product that no detailes have yet to be revealed about. The people at RPGCodex, for example, already hate Fallout 3, even before they know anything, just because it is not the original Fallout. That is what I disagree with.
EDIT: Also, I see lots of potential with a first person, real time Fallout. I don't really care about the small details that make up the gameplay. I just want the game to be fun and engaging. I believe it can be that.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 18:55 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | An interesting stance you've conciously taken there... personally I would rather they pillaged some other intellectual property for backdrop, characters and storyline - as with Morrowind they don't actually seem capable of creating their own with any degree of skill.
Morrowind was a mish mash of ideas and textual output that had very little entertainment value to people such as myself.
Those nerds/fans your speaking of have just as much right to an opinon on the fallout franchise as you. Just because some of us are skeptical, or downright afraid of change doesn't make us wrong (look at Neverwinter Nights and Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic - both streamlined, only one entertaining - albeit as a strictly linear adventure game. not RPG).
If this is something to embrace then that makes me sad.
| Quote: | | Also, you all suppose that Troika wouldn't have done a FPS. Don't be that sure guys. Troika is currently making Vampire : the masquerade 2, and it's an FPS/RPG ! |
True, there is a lot of appeasement to maximise profits, but in the case of Vampire it's original engine was 3D so it makes sense that the sequel continues in that trend. Whereas with Fallout you would expect something approaching a 2D/3D hybrid allowing the gameplay to stay intact and more attention to be focused on the games details (be they graphical or otherwise). |
What the hell are you talking about, both KotoR and Neverwinter Nights were both good, as i'm sure many people would testify.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 18:58 Post subject: |
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| kakek wrote: | I see nothing wrong with Fallout turning FPS. Technically, morrowind IS an FPS. That doesn't prevent it from having an huge world ... They could use the same kind of dynamic loading point in fallout.
The game load a 2 km square around you. When you reach the end, you get a small loading while the game load the next 2 km ... and that's it !
I really liked that in morrowind. That's what made you feel totaly free.
They could also do it in a more "fallout" way. When you reach the limit of a zone, it switch to map mode. That was how it worked in Fallout, you can do the same thing with an FPS view.
Also, you all suppose that Troika wouldn't have done a FPS. Don't be that sure guys. Troika is currently making Vampire : the masquerade 2, and it's an FPS/RPG ! |
Erm...you ever played gothic 2, it's loading mechanics are superior to morrowinds in every way. Morrowind has to load each time you go in a building FFS.
Gothic 2's loading area's are about 10 times the size of morrowinds's if not more.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 18:59 Post subject: |
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| KleptoZ wrote: | | Ispep wrote: |
Those nerds/fans your speaking of have just as much right to an opinon on the fallout franchise as you. Just because some of us are skeptical, or downright afraid of change doesn't make us wrong (look at Neverwinter Nights and Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic - both streamlined, only one entertaining - albeit as a strictly linear adventure game. not RPG).
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I fault no one for being skeptical. I do fault people for not even giving a chance to a product that no detailes have yet to be revealed about. The people at RPGCodex, for example, already hate Fallout 3, even before they know anything, just because it is not the original Fallout. That is what I disagree with. |
Fair enough, I have to admit I don't actually go there - I'm not one of the fallout 'nerds'.
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What the hell are you talking about, both KotoR and Neverwinter Nights were both good, as i'm sure many people would testify. |
It's a shame the old forum has gone, as I could just regurgitate old posts
But my point wasn't whether they were any good or not, and I think I've already said that in the case of the last one (SWKOTOR) it is a decent game, it's just marred by the fact it was streamlined for consoles and is completely linear ADVENTURE game not strictly RPG.
NWNs is a bad game though.
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Sayko
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 19:29 Post subject: |
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| KleptoZ wrote: | | EDIT: Also, I see lots of potential with a first person, real time Fallout. I don't really care about the small details that make up the gameplay. I just want the game to be fun and engaging. I believe it can be that. |
I will second that! even knowing that someday i could be assraped and burned alive for this statement.. but the mixture of Fallout-DeusEx-and-Morrowind sounds so intriguing..
I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
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mYslead
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 20:25 Post subject: |
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AH, Interplay dosent interact at all with the game. that's good to hear.
and i'd be disappointed if the game is in First Person ala Morrowind but 3D like the early screeny would be nice
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004 21:04 Post subject: |
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NWNs is a bad game though. |
I beg to differ, that game was created with the sole intent of providing fans an excellent AD&D toolset to create their own modules, and the stuff they have created is nothing short of spectacular...its a game that keeps on giving, and theres still plenty of modules in production that I look forward too (Demon series is almost finished!) . That game will still be giving me more out of it right up until Dragon Age is released.
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