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DXWarlock
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The first Hair band was 'random garbage of wild feminine clothes' that wasn't a 'style' yet. No one saw twisted sister when they was new and went "That is a trending style" they went: that is random shock value mashup of 'all the counterculture things randomly slapped together'.
It evolved into what we remember out of randomness of trying things, some stuck, some didn't. What's LEFT is what persisted and we remember.
That's what they said about disco and the wild range of browns mixed with any bright colors and guys/girls wearing stuff ALL over the place.
That's said of the 80's 'how many neon colors..' "all of them" style and random patterns of eye stabbing geometric shapes said of it then
That's what they said about 90's grunge "Its thrift store random" style.
That's what they said about 2000's cybergoth (the neon colors, gas masks, and fuzzy leggings and leather straps style).
All those was..until it lasted long enough for us to make a pattern out of the new noise.
I remember my dad 'not getting' industrial music or the style (like NIN etc) going "its just random jobsite noises mixed with over distorted keyboards and wearing random items of leather and whatever shiny metal objects will attach to it"
Everytime its "It's all been done, they are random smashing stuff together because nothing's left" and that random smashing of trying LOTS of things boils down into the ones that stuck and a new pattern we can find eventually and associate it with the time/era the pattern formed.
We see a 'style' now, that at the time was 'wear anything but the normal stuff' until some of those 'anythings' became the normal. 75 percent of what was tried died, and what we remember as the 'style' is what survived. Much like say 80's music (or any decade of music). It was all over the place, much of it sucked...but we remember what made it out as good as the 'style' of that time. The stuff that was 'random trash' faded by selective survival of elimination.
So this will have a pattern too after a while. Another pattern of 'unexpected social discourse of doing random things that do not fit a norm'. EVERY iconic era trend started as that: buck the expected norms of the past generation, until it settled down into a finite amount of things that caught on we now look back at as a 'pattern'.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2022 00:04 Post subject: |
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So the premise of your post is that it isn't a style yet. You think dressing like that will be a style or anything anyone aims for, or that it will be remembered in some way? That it will be iconic in 10 - 20 years? Something we look back on and can easily identify and assign it to this period of time, like the examples I gave?
Hint: it won't. And like I said, it's already been done.
It's barely counter culture anymore either. That only works when people's values are stuck in the 1950s. If anything, it's smack bang in the middle of todays social norms. The average fashion show will have more shock value than anything those people are wearing.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2022 00:12 Post subject: |
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I dunno, I'm too old to be able to predict what will filter down into a discernible pattern of a trend. I'm more stating every time there was one, people said it wouldn't be one either. So it's impossible to predict what 'outrageously stupid' things kids do that will be one.
But if cyber goth made it.  Spoiler: | |
And 'scene' made it. | Spoiler: | |
I see no reason why this equally silly looking mix of 'counter culture norms' cannot reduce down to a point of identifiable traits to be a trend at some point. As BOTH of those iconic ones I listed above went thru a 'growing pains' of random branches until a 'standard theme' of identifiably came out the other side and stuck.
And its not about 'shock' always. It's about simply being different, peacocking, having a 'thing' you identify with that is not your parents normal..and nothing more at times.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2022 00:13 Post subject: |
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Again, it's not counter culture anymore. It's what is expected and socially accepted. You can't really go against society when everything is permitted either.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2022 00:15 Post subject: |
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[Edited order to flow better]
And (I feel) if it's smack bang in the middle of todays social norms. Then it's already a trend. As thats what trends are..a 'new social norm of style'.
It hits the peak balance of 'still edgy, but accepted enough to be trendy' and fades into a new one past that point as people look for a new 'I did it before it was cool' trend.
Life cycle for youths trends: fringe counter culture -> accepted counter culture -> mainstream -> cringe, now old mainstream.
Because like any other trend style of the past..its the 'fringe youths norm'. That's like saying dressing in bright neon pink and teal in the 80's wasn't 'trendy' because it was the norm by then. Yea..the trend is the norm.
IT all comes down to simply one thing no matter the year or decade: "Look at me! I'm different!" Until doing it doesn't make you different enough anymore.(and most of us get stuck in whatever last 'look at me I'm different' style we did, before we got old enough to not care about the new ones. And kids mock us for that old style, and we mock them for their new ones.)
Dressing 'random' has ALWAYS been a fringe trend. Like the limited selected pics I showed among many many people doing that for decades.
Bjork wore a ghillie suit at one concert in the late 90's. Not much different than that mop thing the guy is wearing in that pic.
I could photo cut together from the 90's: Bjork in the ghillie suit, STP singer in the dress, jamiroquai in his comically big fuzzy hat, and the singer from the spin doctors for the guy on the left or maybe Voltaire would be better (the singer not the writer), and get a 1 to 1 side by side equal to that pic from nearly 30 years ago.
"HAHA I am so random and stylishly different" never goes out of style 
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| vurt wrote: | | I don't mind musicians wearing "cool" outfits, but again, this looks like they just robbed grandma's wardrobe and just put the weirdest shit they could find on with little to no thought behind it, there's no theme etc. As for "shock-value" the only return here is really only how tasteless and lame it looks. |
I read that the song is actually about mothers and such...perhaps that explains the silly outfit?
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2022 22:56 Post subject: |
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It's all cool. It's just we getting old!
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