Outcast: A New Beginning
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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Feb 2024 22:50    Post subject:
friketje wrote:
Nice to see demo's are a thing again though. As it should be.
Like the industry expects you to pay up 70 euro's going in blind.

That's my problem with buying games. Don't mind to spend the money, dev's work has to be rewarded. But I only like about 30% the games I try and it's such a waste of money sometimes. And I like to try a lot of games, getting harder with denuvo these days.


359 refunds on my Steam account

Every game has a demo ^^^
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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Feb 2024 23:13    Post subject:
doesn't steam send u bitch & moan notifications after you refund a few times? must be that ozzie consumer law at work if they're quiet.
idk I only buy 2 games a decade.
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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Feb 2024 23:27    Post subject:
This one?

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It looks like you’ve requested a significant number of refunds recently. If you often have problems with your purchases, please submit another ticket so that we can help you solve these issues.

Please note, that the Steam Refund Policy is not intended as a way to try out games for free. If we have reason to believe that the refund system is used in this manner, we may decline future refund requests.


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Keep in mind their terms, which are universal:

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You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.

It doesn't matter. Valve will, upon request via help.steampowered.com, issue a refund for any reason, if the request is made within the required return period, and, in the case of games, if the title has been played for less than two hours.


https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds

Some games I've bought and refunded multiple times. People on my friends list probably think I buy too much shit all the time, but I'll go months recycling the same ~$60 until I find something I like
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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Feb 2024 23:49    Post subject:
Video looks awesome, not sure about the jet-pack.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2024 00:20    Post subject:
Steam: Hey stop doing that! Also it's all good keep going. Cool Face
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2024 04:45    Post subject:
Oh dear, played the demo a little and it's so generic with a severe case of consolitis.

Oh yeah, it stutters a lot between short bursts of fairly smooth fps.


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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2024 07:46    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
This one?

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It looks like you’ve requested a significant number of refunds recently. If you often have problems with your purchases, please submit another ticket so that we can help you solve these issues.

Please note, that the Steam Refund Policy is not intended as a way to try out games for free. If we have reason to believe that the refund system is used in this manner, we may decline future refund requests.


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Keep in mind their terms, which are universal:

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You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.

It doesn't matter. Valve will, upon request via help.steampowered.com, issue a refund for any reason, if the request is made within the required return period, and, in the case of games, if the title has been played for less than two hours.


https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds

Some games I've bought and refunded multiple times. People on my friends list probably think I buy too much shit all the time, but I'll go months recycling the same ~$60 until I find something I like



I've had them auto-refund after 2 hours a few times, Starfield got refunded at 7-8 hours.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2024 11:18    Post subject:
Another UE disaster, likely:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1013140/discussions/0/4201364375107501093/

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The game uses UE4.27 and it runs in DX11 by default.
Even with DX11, there are traversal stutters, from asset streaming. Forcing DX12, improves fps by around 10-15%. But then we have a ton of shader compilation stutters, because shaders are compiled at run time.
The demo only supports DLSS and FSR1. No FSR2 and no XeSS.
I used TAAU Gen 5, forced with a command line.

Right now, the demo it's a technical disaster.
They really need to add more upscaling options and fix performance. Using DX12 by default and adding a shader pre-compilation at the start of the game would make it much better,


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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2024 12:50    Post subject:
It's quite baffling indeed how so many developers simply ignore such a wildly known issue, especially since UE does support the combo Precompiled Shaders + DX12 which drastically reduces the annoyance *if* implemented properly. I'm not familiar with Unreal Engine but I don't think it's a particularly complex or time-consuming solution, it's just that laziness and negligence prevail.

Lately I've been able to mitigate the issue in some UE4 games by using Vulkan (dxvk 2.3 or its async variant) but still, it's not perfect and it would be preferable if folks did their job instead.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2024 13:45    Post subject:
Its because the developers are complete retards and they only think that there is console + TV.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2024 18:26    Post subject:
Tried the demo, beautiful graphics! Really impressive - but not sure if this is a game for me. I can't actually remember the old Outcast. I think it was one of those games that made your computer sweat?


shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2024 18:52    Post subject:
Ankh wrote:
Tried the demo, beautiful graphics! Really impressive - but not sure if this is a game for me. I can't actually remember the old Outcast. I think it was one of those games that made your computer sweat?

Voxels mate Razz
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2024 21:13    Post subject:
madmax17 wrote:
Ankh wrote:
Tried the demo, beautiful graphics! Really impressive - but not sure if this is a game for me. I can't actually remember the old Outcast. I think it was one of those games that made your computer sweat?

Voxels mate Razz


I know, but i think it was well known to be really hard for computers to run cos of that - unlike Delta Force which also was voxels (wasnt it? Or am I getting it mixed up again?)

I know i could run every game as good as you possible could as i always had my pc up to date - but i just cant remember much of this game other than i owned it Razz


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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2024 21:30    Post subject:
It was very, VERY heavily CPU-bound because it relied solely on that horsepower for voxels, your GPU didn't matter whatsoever - so yeah, it was quite heavy on your configuration and I remember running it at a reduced resolution back then, even though my PC was rather recent (but we all know how relative "recent" was back then) Very Happy
My Pentium 2 266 couldn't quite cut it, you needed a Pentium 3 to enjoy the highest resolution possible, a whooping 512 × 384 !

I really love that game, it was very ambitious back then but just the right amount, so to speak, all the game systems worked pretty seamlessly one with the other and the whole world feels very organic - despite actually having not a lot of NPCs in each zone, compared to RPG standards. I've already preached my love for it in these parts Very Happy

Now for this.

I mean.. there are nods to the original : the cross-selection thing for the interface/dialogue choices.. the dialogues look just as dated as they used to back then with the same static angles, one for each speaker (they could have improved on that, for real)... you can climb up some sort of tower like there was a single one in Shamazaar (and the wonky platforming made it kinda hard Laughing).. but now, I see that awesome fetching quests have been added, just like some kind of MMO.
I didn't read a lot about this new game, but is the whole reputation / influencing the world part still in ? Doesn't seem like it from the gameplay titbits.

And for god's sake, Slade looks downright TERRIBLE ! Was he supposed to always look like this ? Laughing

Yay !


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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Feb 2024 18:36    Post subject:
thread page 1: "please don't fuck this up"

thread page 2: "ah well and to shit it all went"

Sad
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Feb 2024 18:50    Post subject:
Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Feb 2024 21:12    Post subject:
Didn't even had time to raise expectations with this one... Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Feb 2024 22:38    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
thread page 1: "please don't fuck this up"

thread page 2: "ah well and to shit it all went"

Sad


Very Happy Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Feb 2024 01:41    Post subject:
Tried the demo.

I don't think this looks beautiful at all. It looks amateurish, how colors blends etc, ugh. Compare this to something like Horizon and you'll understand - it's super colorful but looks tasteful and beautiful, excellent art design. Here: purple and pink trees together with neon green and very repetitive grass. Ugh. So ugly.

The game itself plays like Ratchet and Clank pretty much, super game:y, zero immersion here. I was hoping it would feel somewhat like ELEX, but this is very, very far from being that.

The combat is ass, hated every moment of it. So dull. Again, compare this to Horizon lol. Even JK Survivor (which i hated) had way better combat.

Controls feels floaty.

There are creatures that doesn't react at all if you shoot at them. Basically art assets which are completely non interactive. Very lazy.

I'd replay ELEX any day over playing this.
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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Feb 2024 08:58    Post subject:
Thanks for the quick review, I don't think I'll inflict playing this demo upon myself, even though I should be ecstatic, Outcast 2 was something I strongly wished for back then.
I'll just replay 1.1 as an homage Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Feb 2024 10:35    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Feb 2024 18:39    Post subject:
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I bought two things, refunded one and when I refunded the other the support sent me a threatening email they will ban me from amazon if I continue "abusing" the system Laughing


Happens when some retard gets randomly chosen as you consumer service "expert"

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PostPosted: Thu, 29th Feb 2024 23:19    Post subject:
Perfrormance kinda sucks tbh... especially when flying


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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Mar 2024 07:42    Post subject:
Performance is fine, just tweak the game. You don't have to 4k ultra everything.
Had no issues with a 2070 super. Runs like any other game.
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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Mar 2024 08:34    Post subject:
TheZor wrote:
Thanks for the quick review, I don't think I'll inflict playing this demo upon myself, even though I should be ecstatic, Outcast 2 was something I strongly wished for back then.
I'll just replay 1.1 as an homage Very Happy


I would suspect part of your love for the original game was the innovative way the developers tackled the game world with it's voxel based engine. You take that innovation away and its just another mid/low budget open world 'outcast' skinned game. To me this looks the same as Elex 2 except the player character is skinned like the outcast character, why would I play this?

Should have done something voxel-based, Teardown being a recent example. Then that's probably more expensive, riskier and time consuming than pumping out a reskinned generic game.
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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Mar 2024 14:27    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:
TheZor wrote:
Thanks for the quick review, I don't think I'll inflict playing this demo upon myself, even though I should be ecstatic, Outcast 2 was something I strongly wished for back then.
I'll just replay 1.1 as an homage Very Happy


I would suspect part of your love for the original game was the innovative way the developers tackled the game world with it's voxel based engine. You take that innovation away and its just another mid/low budget open world 'outcast' skinned game. To me this looks the same as Elex 2 except the player character is skinned like the outcast character, why would I play this?

Should have done something voxel-based, Teardown being a recent example. Then that's probably more expensive, riskier and time consuming than pumping out a reskinned generic game.


It was partly because of the outstanding (back then) graphics, for sure, it contributed to the awe you'd get discovering the world !
Although I believe it still had way more to do with the world building and how you could influence it - sure, it'd be considered as pretty unsophisticated today, but it was kind of impressive of intertwined things/quests were back then, the world felt alive with little characters actually roaming it.
I was also quite impressed with how distinct the different zones were, and how differently they played out gameplay-wise too. The French dubbing and the fantastic OST also played a major part in my long-time love for it Smile

There's nothing exciting about this at all, though.

Yeah, I totally agree with you on that, I would have loved for them to go for the Voxels "challenge" again ! Especially so considering there is a fair number of games using them now. That'd have boded well for the game in itself. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Mar 2024 17:36    Post subject:
friketje wrote:
Performance is fine, just tweak the game. You don't have to 4k ultra everything.
Had no issues with a 2070 super. Runs like any other game.


I'm not playing at 4k..2k maxed out DLSS balanced .The game has got issues even on desktop 3080, just check steam forums


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Mar 2024 16:29    Post subject:
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Performance, on the other hand, presents its own challenges. On PlayStation 5, the game offers two modes: fidelity and performance. In fidelity mode, the game runs notably poorly, often falling below 30 FPS. Meanwhile, the performance mode struggles to achieve a consistent 60 FPS, with screen-tearing reaching such high levels that it renders the game virtually unplayable. While a recent patch has slightly improved the screen-tearing issue, it remains prominent and disruptive during gameplay.



first review that was posted on reddit, from some noname website. Unplayable due to screen tearing ? Confused It would be a mirracle if they fixed the atrocious stuttering on PC from the demo. That was actually unplayable. You cant enjoy a game where the game has micro and big stutters every few seconds as you move and do stuff in the gameworld. They had endless feedback on steam from the demo, with proof of the stutters, pics, videos. Some comunity rep was posting that he's forwarding the feedback to the team



oh,

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Before closing, I should note that the game still suffers from traversal stutters. Thankfully, though, there aren’t any shader compilation stutters. The traversal stutters do not seem to be as annoying as those I found in its PC demo, so that’s at least good news. Still, don’t expect a stutter-free experience. And yes, these stutters will be also present on consoles.


better, not ideal then

https://www.dsogaming.com/pc-performance-analyses/outcast-a-new-beginning-benchmarks-pc-performance-analysis/
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