RESULTS:
Both vegetarian diets and prudent diets allowing small amounts of red meat are associated with reduced risk of diseases, particularly CHD and type 2 diabetes. There is limited evidence of an association between vegetarian diets and cancer prevention. Evidence linking red meat intake, particularly processed meat, and increased risk of CHD, cancer and type 2 diabetes is convincing and provides indirect support for consumption of a plant-based diet.
CONCLUSIONS:
The health benefits of vegetarian diets are not unique. Prudent plant-based dietary patterns which also allow small intakes of red meat, fish and dairy products have demonstrated significant improvements in health status as well. At this time an optimal dietary intake for health status is unknown. Plant-based diets contain a host of food and nutrients known to have independent health benefits. While vegetarian diets have not shown any adverse effects on health, restrictive and monotonous vegetarian diets may result in nutrient deficiencies with deleterious effects on health. For this reason, appropriate advice is important to ensure a vegetarian diet is nutritionally adequate especially for vulnerable groups.
So like always, be moderate with the stuff you eat
Nalo wrote:
Btw I have actually been a vegetarian for about 5 months now. Just a couple occasions when I ate meat in a nice resteraunt. I'm not sure about the health benefits but I've definitely lost weight. So that's good. FIN
Yeah you dont get the same amount of calories from a crop of lettuce compared to a 5lb steak lol
Eggs are high in fat and cholesterol, milk is terrible for you regardless on where you get it. And what nutrients will you not get exactly? If she can't afford avacados, how can she afford a piece of chicken? Avocados are fucking expensive ya know.
As for good fat and proteins there is no such thing as " good fats" now there are fatty acids like omega 3s, and omega 6s nuts take care of those. As for protein, you should google search some studies. The protein you get from when you eat meat is what they have ate. So for example, cow eats grass correct? You are filtering the grass' protein through them into you. Which strains your kidneys converting it into protein, while eating spinach/kale will convert into protein without even saying hi to the kidneys.
See the information you present to me is "false" its literally impossible to be protein deficient, never a case of protein deficiency but plenty of cases of fiber deficiency. The "nutrient thing is a lie" and if you think about it makes sense.
Why would my plate of food be less nutrient if we have the same exactly thing on the plate minus a piece of chicken for example? And everyone will call that the "protein" when everything in the world has a form of protein in it so its literally impossible for you not to get your protein.
The nutrient deficiency thing is a scam. Sure, like any college student eating chips, and p&j for days is terrible for you. But that's what they were gonna do anyways because they were broke. It has nothing to do with veganism. Last night I ate a sloppy joe, with french fries. Previous night I had lasagna. And tonight we are making a nut loaf. Tomorrow I'll be making some home made "roast beef seitan"
So to answer your question, yes if I had a child it would be vegan. Because I don't see how filtering your nutrients through animals has any benefit to anything.
Edit: No I wont eat honey. I'm in america. You think bee keepers over here care. I'm sure some do, but its so corrupt over here man..not so sure.
Edit: I also want to say, do you eat healthy? I mean, I hate (NOT YOU) when someone comes up to me talking about nutrients but just finished eating McDonald ya know? Most people don't even eat healthy. So why do most people only care about nutrients when they come across a vegan.
Wow, so much misinformation. Where did you get them from? The 1950s? Do you still think butter and eggs are bad for you and salt leads to high blood pressure?
And what type of science is that with the grass?
Cows eat grass, so anything you get from a cow, comes from the gras!
Really?
So what does grass consume to grow? Dirt, Water and sunshine? How about you try that! Seems perfectly fine according to your logic above. And you'll save the grass too! Just eat a bunch of dirt, swallow it with a glass of water and lay in the sun. Let's see how that'll work out for you
Be sure to not harm any worms in the dirt though and remember to not step on any mushrooms as they apparently feel pain too!
Butter and eggs are bad for you though I mean.. what the hell....they are high in fat and cholesterol. You didn't combat my argument, you just made fun of me. Could you present your best piece of information that counters my argument? Humans can't even digest grass, but a 3000lb cow with 3 stomachs it's all it eats.. We want grass fed cows, so we can eat the cows.
Listen, if youre gonna make fun of me. Stay out of the topic, if youre gonna present some valid information then do so. But as of right now, youre just making fun of me for my life choice, yet you didn't combat anything I said. Just made fun of me. Not sure how I can talk you seriously if that's all you can do.
And yes REALLY cows get their protein from grass. Is that alright with you?
I looked at the links provided and I'm happy for you that they all show how good a plannedvegan diet is for you. You know what is also good? Taking care of what you eat. Vegans do that. A lot. They have to make sure that they eat stuff that is good for them! Hence they'll have good outcomes in tests. But you can also be vegan and eat nothing but fries and chips and it'll fuck you up if you don't plan your dietary requirements and needs. Most people that eat meat don't really care for their diets at all. They just consume whatever they can get hold of. Bad transfats, cheap oils, too much sugar and carbohydrates...
Your body requires good fats and good cholesterol. You can not over simplify such a complex system like your nutritional intake to something like "Fat and Cholesterol are bad for you!". There is a reason you have ldl hdl and tri glycerides in your body. Eggs Butter (and other saturated fats) and similar are good for your health in that they also have high hdl which helps to repair and take back the fat to your liver. Fat also doesn't make you automatically fat. It is clinically proven that sugar and over-excess carbs are much worse for you. Like eating too much fruits, breakfast cereals and similar.
I can only urge you to research (I'll abstain from posting a lmgtfy link with "cholesterol fat myth") your claims. Milk is terrible? Even the ridiculous "11 Reasons to Stop Drinking Cow’s Milk" article on peta.org doesn't state it's terrible. In the worst case you have some sort of lactose intolerance and shout resort from consuming dairy products.
Oh and I try to eat healthy. Lots of fat. Lots of meat, some veggies and I'm very strict regarding my carbohydrate intake. That's how I lost 25kg and I never felt any better or happier The last few months though I wasn't taking good care of myself (read: eating too many sweets and sugars) and gained back some weight but I'm slowly taking care of it again The key to all of it is to be a conscious eater.
RESULTS:
Both vegetarian diets and prudent diets allowing small amounts of red meat are associated with reduced risk of diseases, particularly CHD and type 2 diabetes. There is limited evidence of an association between vegetarian diets and cancer prevention. Evidence linking red meat intake, particularly processed meat, and increased risk of CHD, cancer and type 2 diabetes is convincing and provides indirect support for consumption of a plant-based diet.
CONCLUSIONS:
The health benefits of vegetarian diets are not unique. Prudent plant-based dietary patterns which also allow small intakes of red meat, fish and dairy products have demonstrated significant improvements in health status as well. At this time an optimal dietary intake for health status is unknown. Plant-based diets contain a host of food and nutrients known to have independent health benefits. While vegetarian diets have not shown any adverse effects on health, restrictive and monotonous vegetarian diets may result in nutrient deficiencies with deleterious effects on health. For this reason, appropriate advice is important to ensure a vegetarian diet is nutritionally adequate especially for vulnerable groups.
So like always, be moderate with the stuff you eat
Maybe it's just me who reads it wrong, but when both diets (no red meat and less red meat) indicate a better health, then it's clear that it's the meat that decreases health. The less you eat it, the healthier you become. It seems our body can cope with low amounts of it, which makes sense (you can also eat shit in low amounts and not feel any adverse effects )
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
RESULTS:
Both vegetarian diets and prudent diets allowing small amounts of red meat are associated with reduced risk of diseases, particularly CHD and type 2 diabetes. There is limited evidence of an association between vegetarian diets and cancer prevention. Evidence linking red meat intake, particularly processed meat, and increased risk of CHD, cancer and type 2 diabetes is convincing and provides indirect support for consumption of a plant-based diet.
CONCLUSIONS:
The health benefits of vegetarian diets are not unique. Prudent plant-based dietary patterns which also allow small intakes of red meat, fish and dairy products have demonstrated significant improvements in health status as well. At this time an optimal dietary intake for health status is unknown. Plant-based diets contain a host of food and nutrients known to have independent health benefits. While vegetarian diets have not shown any adverse effects on health, restrictive and monotonous vegetarian diets may result in nutrient deficiencies with deleterious effects on health. For this reason, appropriate advice is important to ensure a vegetarian diet is nutritionally adequate especially for vulnerable groups.
So like always, be moderate with the stuff you eat
Maybe it's just me who reads it wrong, but when both diets (no red meat and less red meat) indicate a better health, then it's clear that it's the meat that decreases health. The less you eat it, the healthier you become. It seems our body can cope with low amounts of it, which makes sense (you can also eat shit in low amounts and not feel any adverse effects )
No because a meatless diet can be harmfull as well and decrease your health.
Its all about balancing things out.
No, but they have these egg replacers that I haven't tried that I'm curious about for omelettes. But, I'm pretty sure taste wise, vegans will never be able to replace milk/eggs ever. But that's okay, I'll miss eggs. But this pea protein milk is so creamy and thick, I'm not missing milk one bit so far.
So far I feel great, and everythings great. I'll keep it up till either I feel like shit, or well, just keep doing it.
And Leo posted yesterday in the Epic thread
I understand what everyone in this thread is saying from their point of view, it's just more and more studies that come out, it DOES show that even in moderation meat can be very unhealthy. Especially that fat, and of course alot of people who eat meat based diets and low carbs will lose weight. You are eating foods that aren't dense, and not intaking energy so your body is feeding off itself.
The milk thing, it's hard to say. There have been plenty of studies that shows links between cancers and milk. Especially breast cancer in woman. You can check that out as well. And also studies that show areas in the world that don't eat much meat and don't intake dairy and their health is superior to most of the world.
But throwing study after study at each other is not going to solve anything. Im just happy we are able to have a nice discussion about this. I understand the concept of moderation, I do. And that's fine by me. But as of right now most humans don't intake meat moderately, and the way we treat animals, make fun of it or not is absolutely atrocious. 65 billion animals a year? Like damn.
I don't know if I'm really shortening my lifespan, but it's a trade-off that I'm willing to concede in exchange for savouring delicious ribs, steaks, sausages and all them roasted tasty meaty goodies from all types of fauna. At least I'll be able to say that I lived life at its fullest
All kidding aside, I actually eat meat moderately (sort of ) and follow a balanced diet involving all sorts of veggies and fruits as well, a lot of fish, eggs, along with the daily dish of pasta which the basis upon which the life of an italian man is founded. Thankfully in terms of well-being l don't need to be too careful with what I eat as long as I don't exaggerate, so all is well for now.
I love animals and nature, all the abuse/cruelty involved in modern farms truly is infuriating, but...I just love my steaks too much
The worst I find about this topic in general is the anecdotes as if they meant anything in the global scheme. I knew a guy who was suddenly advocating for vegeta, partially because it was oh so healthy for him. Problem was, we knew that his previous diet was to deep fry half of his food
The_Zeel wrote:
inb4 I am accused of engrish-freestyling à la KC
What do you think of us? There are some lines not to be crossed even for this lot here.
You mean that one person can't make a difference?
If that were true, then we'd still live in the stone age
Vegetarianism especially has a direct impact on the environment (CO2, amount of water, grain and other resources wasted to 'grow' meat), not to mention the amount of animals killed (65 billion per year is a very conservative number, it's at least 150 billion/year).
You mean that one person can't make a difference?
If that were true, then we'd still live in the stone age
No no no Individual anecdotes do not help us much to find the truth about complex matters. You'll find advocates and stories for anything. That is how you end up with weird glowing stones on pcs acting as a virus defender.
Even your own tale of a few days is of questionable worth even to yourself.
We need much broader statistics or a much better understanding of the human digestion system (and affected systems). Especially when it comes to actually optimizing. Its much easier to identify a few really bad things to throw out, like massive amounts of sugar.
How about a ketogenic vegetarian diet? Close to no carbohydrates and no meat? That should be fun
Sure, there will come a time when you won't have the choice so enjoy it while it lasts
(Over-population and increasing rarity of sweet water will make meat breading and consumption too expensive and at one point even illegal, comparable with the trade in ivory today. I personally give it until 2050, but it could come a lot sooner)
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
Yeah, the 1% of the 1% will probably always have their meat. The rest can have the rat and insect burgers
But beef and pork for the masses, that will end once every Chinese will want that too.
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
Personally I wouldn't mind if meat were to get taxed higher, because I do understand its a problem. Animal cruelty (the factory like production of it), water and wheat supply. I would moan about it, but thats just a hobby of mine
Unfortunately I now have a now and easy source for 500g of pork escalope (translated from schweineschnitzel) for 2.99€ and I actually like it. I feel a bit bad buying it. Nothing good can be behind that
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The last few months though I wasn't taking good care of myself (read: eating too many sweets and sugars) and gained back some weight but I'm slowly taking care of it again 
(thats vegeterian right?)
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