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The size limitation is weird. Not sure that will stand
Weirder though in regards to Windows 11 is that TPM 2.0 and SecureBoot requirement
Bitlocker or bust?
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 13:31 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 15:22 Post subject: |
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| Civ01 wrote: | | What's up with random retarded size requirement |
From what I have read, its:
1. Because of the way it works, its uncompressed raw game data. So SOME size had to be picked as a bottom level so its got the widest range of usability across games with wildly different sized compressed assets. And its a total of all games storing data there. Think of it (sort of) as an "a steam library folder unpacked and raw". its going to takes SOME sizeable amount of space, no way around it.
And most people able to take advantage of it has at least a 1TB NVME. It was a sweet spot of: What type of customer will use it, and what is the bottom tier hardware they have that will benefit the most games for the most players.
At least I feel if you dont have at least at minimum a 1TB NVME somewhere in your system but met the other hardware requirements to utilize it, you reallllllly cheaped out on storage. A 1TB NVME costs as much as decent dinner out with the wife now-a-days.
2. NVME so that it even makes any sense to use it. Doing it on an old standard spinning disk would be worse than not using it at all.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 17:53 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | At least I feel if you dont have at least at minimum a 1TB NVME somewhere in your system but met the other hardware requirements to utilize it, you reallllllly cheaped out on storage.
A 1TB NVME costs as much as decent dinner out with the wife now-a-days. |
Depends on how thin is your wife.
If she's the size of a bus, it might figure. Otherwise... we might live on different planets. |
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 18:24 Post subject: |
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1TB NVME here is about $90-$120.
To eat anywhere that isn't the equal to fast food without the drive thru is about that price, at least here.
Last time we went, Red Lobster (which I would consider run of the mill 'poor man's fancy') with two appetizers, 2 main courses, and dessert was $100 including tip.
Any good steak house, or sit down proper decent restaurant with actual waiters and reservations required is $100 if your going cheap on the menu by the end with drinks, food, etc all added total.
Now like Applebee's, TGI Fridays, Outback etc. Can do $50-60ish for both. But to me those are going out for fast food/carry out, just in a place they bring it out to your table pretty much. My rule of thumb is if you can call a take out order there its not a 'decent date night out dinner' its 'we are just going out for food'.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 18:41 Post subject: |
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Yeah, couple little spoilers: we don't have us hardware prices around here. And a great meal for a family of 4 here on a nice restaurant on the burbs is around 30-40€ max.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 18:48 Post subject: |
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Maybe we have different ideas of what is nice.
To me a decent meal out is one I cannot make, have brought, or go pick up and eat at home. Otherwise its just takeout.
I havent been all over Europe/Eastern edge, not by a long shot.
But for work over the last 15 years. I had spent a week in: Germany, Spain, France, Greece, Austria (only a weekend lay over), Trunkey and Israel.
Not one place we went to eat I would consider a nice restaurant was under around $40 each person after drinks, main dish and all.
Not that I'm rich not even remotely by a long shot, company paid for those.
And why I dont eat out at home often. Unless its food I could never dream of having at home and want to splurge...why pay for it?
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 19:19 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | Yeah, couple little spoilers: we don't have us hardware prices around here. And a great meal for a family of 4 here on a nice restaurant on the burbs is around 30-40€ max. |
On the same idea, continent and planet:
A great meal for 2 can be ~ 20 Euro here.
The average salary is ~ 650 Euro (with too many people still falling below that, going for 500 Euro and lower).
The price of a good 1TB NVME is ~ 180 Euro.
So yeah, screw us sideways for "cheap"-ing out on buying all day NVME's. 
And I'm not even gonna mention my best friend Djibo from Afrika. |
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 19:24 Post subject: |
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Still I think the argument stands.
If you have a current gen 30*0/6*00 GPU in a machine with a MB with PCI-E 4.0 on it, enough ram and nvme slots and all to be able to use DirectStorage. But you dont have an NVME in it over 512mb..somehow you bought all that and skipped/skimped the actual part that makes the games load/run smooth.
its like buying racing slicks for a Lada to put an turbo on the stock engine. You kinda missed an important part of your expensive build there.
Not defending their decisions on what it takes, I probably wont use it myself as I never felt load times was 'slow' off a 4.0 NVME.
But the argument of "What you mean I need at least a mid ranged current technology setup, to use soon to be current technology" is a bit daft to me at least.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 19:34 Post subject: |
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OR buy a 1TB NVME when you keep more than 5-10 steam games installed at once.
I really fail to see how the 'average standard NVME size sold already' is them pushing people to drive sales. It's what the vast majority of people buy already.
It's like saying 15" rims on the new Toyota was put on to drive 15" tire sales (When its the default average size sold now).
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 20:23 Post subject: |
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1 or even 2 TB NVMEs aren't exactly a great expense thesedays. I think I paid about £100 for my 1tb NVME back in 2019.
I've got my eye on a 2tb one on Amazon right now which was about £150 the other day.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 21:17 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | DirectStorage will be Windows 11 exclusive and require 1TB SSD minimum.
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2021/06/24/windows-11-the-best-windows-ever-for-gaming/
| Quote: | | With DirectStorage, which will only be available with Windows 11, games can quickly load assets to the graphics card without bogging down the CPU. This means you’ll get to experience incredibly detailed game worlds rendered at lightning speeds, without long load times. “DirectStorage Optimized” Windows 11 PCs are configured with the hardware and drivers needed to enable this amazing experience. |
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications
| Quote: | | DirectStorage requires 1 TB or greater NVMe SSD to store and run games that uses the "Standard NVM Express Controller" driver and a DirectX 12 Ultimate GPU. |
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I checked the site for the first time about 10 hours ago and it says something different - no size and SM6.0 as requirement.
| Quote: | | DirectStorage requires an NVMe SSD to store and run games that use the "Standard NVM Express Controller" driver and a DirectX12 GPU with Shader Model 6.0 support. |
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 22:36 Post subject: |
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anna bet the directstorage feature will be exclsuive to newly rebuild "UWP 2.0" winstore/gamepass apps?
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2021 22:58 Post subject: |
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| prudislav wrote: | | anna bet the directstorage feature will be exclsuive to newly rebuild "UWP 2.0" winstore/gamepass apps? |
Nvidia cards are receiving RTX IO based on DirectStorage.
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The price increase (from US prices) in Europe is ~30% depending on which commodity we're talking about. I don't know if that increase is because of VAT, import fees, other taxes etc. but it's still very very annoying since we don't have more money than the average American.
Example:
SAMSUNG 980 M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4
Newegg US: $139.99
Inet Sweden: $183
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2021 11:29 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | The price increase (from US prices) in Europe is ~30% depending on which commodity we're talking about. I don't know if that increase is because of VAT, import fees, other taxes etc. but it's still very very annoying since we don't have more money than the average American.
Example:
SAMSUNG 980 M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4
Newegg US: $139.99
Inet Sweden: $183 |
Dunno those are cheaper here in Germany then in the US atm (128,62$) unless i'm missing something:
https://geizhals.de/samsung-ssd-980-1tb-mz-v8v1t0bw-a2485468.html
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2021 15:41 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | The price increase (from US prices) in Europe is ~30% depending on which commodity we're talking about. I don't know if that increase is because of VAT, import fees, other taxes etc. but it's still very very annoying since we don't have more money than the average American.
Example:
SAMSUNG 980 M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4
Newegg US: $139.99
Inet Sweden: $183 |
https://cdon.se/hemelektronik/samsung-980-ssd-1tb-p75153681
Converts to $158, or 13% more expensive.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2021 17:30 Post subject: |
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Okay. On Inet the price in SEK's is 1 590:-.
Checking Prisjakt you picked the cheapest price of all.
https://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=5729675
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