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| Interinactive wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | Wolf3D in 1992 was very simple and was just about killing nazis. Games have evolved since then. What a surprise. |
Return to Castle Wolfenstein had evolved - it was 3D (real 3D), had a story, had dialogue and so on and kept the spirit of the first game. If you can't see the extremely obvious differences between those older games (including The New Order) and the direction they're now taking it in, you're either trolling (...) or being very disingenuous
Compare DOOM and DOOM 2016 to see what evolution looks like. Compare Wolfenstein 3D and Wokenstein 2019 to see what bastardisation looks like.
It's pretty fucking obvious what Thorwulf's referring to regardless of what else he believes in |
Really? Doom 2016 to me, while enjoyable, was a devolution actually. Check points, tiny gore nest arenas, relatively small levels, almost no story as original Doom. Where is the evolution? We enjoy it today because the rest has devolved even further.
I loved The New Colossus story. I guess I am an "sjw".
On the other hand, Youngblood looks retarded, but it doesn't look retarded because there are two women in the there. If it were two dudebros, which obviously these two brats are, it would have been equally as retarded. Everyone focuses on the two women, yet everyone should focus on to looter-retarder game mechanics, microtransactions, no story, no level design, etc., which are a much worse offense than having to brats, male or female, attempting to replicate 80s jive in a miserable manner.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Aug 2019 14:28 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | it doesn't look retarded because there are two women in the there. If it were two dudebros, which obviously these two brats are, it would have been equally as retarded. Everyone focuses on the two women, yet everyone should focus on to looter-retarder game mechanics, microtransactions, no story, no level design, etc., which are a much worse offense than having to brats, male or female, attempting to replicate 80s jive in a miserable manner. |
You say it like someone can only pick a single thing from a list of bad things - but it's all shit.
I don't even know where to start on the women argument. NOLF/Perfect Dark are some of the greatest shooters of all time. Nobody cared about the characters being women back then as they wouldn't now if any of it was written properly or made sense. But again - it's not about women, it's about the not so thinly veiled message that the developers are trying to send as if we're too stupid to understand what Nazis are or how the world works. Especially in the current political climate where you can be a labelled a Nazi for just about anything. We get it.
And after DOOM 3 and the abomination that was about to be DOOM 4 before it was cancelled - I would easily call D2016 an evolved version of the first. The arena design sucks but the rest of it is pretty on par. You see an enemy, you shoot it. No pandering, no drawn out cinematics. It's very simple, which is what Wolfenstein always should have been. |
Say, did you find the dialog in Bulletstorm or Gears of War any engaging or mind-numbingly retarded? Did you care if those were men or women?
I don't see why you are pointing those games to me. If they were released today, you'd have morons like vurt and Yuri claim they are feminist propaganda, just as they and you, are claiming here. I don't see it in this game. I see a badly written game, of which there are many, regardless of the sex of the protagonist(s), and a badly designed game mechanics, of which, too, are many examples. I don't see where the feminist or "sjw" agenda is here, sorry.
I see a distinct difference between this game and putting an Indian actress and calling it a "slavic spirit". Don't you?
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Aug 2019 14:31 Post subject: |
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Not true, there is exactly pandering and a short cinematic.
"You see an enemy, you shoot it..." Then it turns into a giant flashing pear, you press the pear button and it explodes into more pears, everyone gets pears.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Aug 2019 14:34 Post subject: |
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At least you could ignore the pears.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Aug 2019 14:37 Post subject: |
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Yes you could somewhat, but it definitely made the game considerably harder as its the primary source of health and ammo.
Bulletstorm and gears where awful in terms of dialog, but I also partially agree with Inter, they are shoehorning reddit politics into pretty much all their releases (not as bad as some, but its there). NOLF/Perfect Dark good examples, it happens all the time where history and these releases fly completely under the radar yet Ghostbusters 3 is breaking new ground because females.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Aug 2019 14:38 Post subject: |
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Games before the Machine Games one featured the somewhat "exciting" kind of Nazis, with advanced technology and knowledge of ancient artifacts, the romantic sort that was a huge hit in those Nazi occult films of the 60's.
You'd find a variation of that trope in Indiana Jones movies for instance.
I'm not fond of the super-woke approach Machine Games have doubled upon in that latest installment, it feels hamfisted and not really subtle, and other posters that have called you out right now have expressed they're not fond of it either.. but I'm pretty sure the parodical/caricatural aspect of it is completely voluntary.. it's a game after all, not a history essay, creative licence and all. Some scenes in those newest games were just hilarious, they probably should just stick with the parody aspect and not make it too political, I can't see something subtle (something politics require) working in a nervous FPS game at all.
Matter of taste really, it is different but the premise remains largely the same. It's pretty obvious why you don't like it anymore. You won't find much sympathy for that video, which was hilariously despicable - muh poor Nazis being slaughtered 
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Aug 2019 14:41 Post subject: |
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I think its a marketing/damage control tactic, they know they have a shitty release on their hands so instead stir up controversy = much better sales.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Aug 2019 14:47 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | it happens all the time where history and these releases fly completely under the radar yet Ghostbusters 3 is breaking new ground because females. |
I'll tell you what the difference is.
Shit like Turdbusters 3, Captain Durrvel and Black Hurrdurrther has nothing else going for it; no story, no talent, no passion, nothing. So the PR machine must find some issue to generate PR, and that's outrage politics. "Captain Durrvel is the first female lead!" (sup Ripley and Connor?) "Black Hurrdurrther is the first black super hero" (sup Blade and Spawn?). That's the only ground they have to stand on. That's why you see that on the "radar".
That's what's odd to me about people crying about the new Terminator. None of that PR nonsense has been used for it, but people are too crying about "sjw politics". No.
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| The_Zeel wrote: | It is really funny, black people in america have to deal with open racism every day to the point of being shot down on the street by an asshole cop, while we have some really fragile white kids here who can't handle even an iota of criticism.
boo fucking hoo.
Thorwulf as a nick pretty much implies it anyway, [...]
implication removed per user request - too much is too much - couleur |
Again this nonsense about every Scandinavian historic name or symbol being Nazi. 
Fuck nazis, nazi-skinheads and so on and fuck Hitlers Nazi Propaganda bureau for stealing old scandinavian mythological symbols (and indian religious ones as well) for use in the propaganda.
| Quote: | | Thorulf or Torulf was medieval prelate, a Bishop of Orkney. Although probably a native Scandinavian, he is known only from the account of the German writer Adam of Bremen. |
Torulf is an uncommon name in Scandinavia these days but it's still used, esp. in Norway, a little less usage in Sweden, the Swedish talking population in Finland and it's also a family name in Denmark with links to relatives in Sweden. It literally means Thors' Wolf and is part of our history and mythology.
(translation and interpretation from Swedish Wiki) :
| Quote: | | Thorulf or Torulf is a Norse male name and surname. The name is a combination of the name of the god Thor and ulf or ulv which is the old word for varg (wolf in Sweden and Norway (also Ulv), in Denmark it's Ulv) and variations of the combination can Thorulf, Thorulv, Torulf or Torulv. |
In Germany ulv/ulf/varg/wolf becomes Wulf. So Thorwulf is simply a German version of Thorulf.
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You're just spouting nonsense in this case and I don't really see much of a relation between my post and your complaint. I replied to this:
| Quote: | | Thorwulf as a nick pretty much implies it anyway, |
I don't know what The_Zeel wrote after that since it's been modded to oblivion and I haven't seen any white power posts from Thorwulf in this thread (can't remember that he's posted something outrageous. Perhaps I'm wrong but in this case I posted based on The_Zeels' reply). You ranting nonsense when I simply state facts about the name doesn't make any sense.
I truly hate white power/neo-nazis/racists etc. that abuse symbols from norse history (and I'm not particularly interested in the modern history of Scandinavia, I'm interested in topics from waaaay back; from the Vendel Age and forward).
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Yes yes, and 88 is just a number, amirite comrade?
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I didn't mock your post. I agree with you about the symbols being stolen. I was just saying that in this case, I am not sure your history lecture was suitable for the individual in question.
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Okay, perhaps I should just have left it alone from the beginning. But as I wrote before, I HATE white power idiots, ultra-nationalists, neo-nazis and so on that use and abuse symbols and names (that are still in use since they originated at least 1500 years ago (bronze age) when former germanic tribes developed their own mythology in Scandinavia).
I'm not a fanatic in the subject, I'm just interested in it and have been for a long time. It's not out of national pride or something like that, it's simply fascination of the mythology which is basically an offshoot-"religion" with Greek mythology being the origin via Roman proxy which Germanic tribes picked up during their wars as well as trade with the roman empire.
But fuck that. I played the first two modern Wolfenstein games, I tried the third (The New Colossus) and uninstalled it since it was crap and this game looks similar to that not to mention it seems to be aiming for co-op which I simply don't do.
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If you know my history here, you know I tend to agree with you on the subject, and have argued about the denazification of swastikas. I am just saying, in this particular instance, this may not be the hill you want to die on. 
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So, shall we change the topic titel since the topic seems to be about me now?
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Aug 2019 15:09 Post subject: |
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Don't overthink the discussion between myself and Leo. I ended my post with my thoughts about the game. Enough OT.
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