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JackQ
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 03:56 Post subject: |
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TBH, if every AAA title used Denuvo it wouldn't matter to me. Most of them aren't worth the money anyway, and those that are I'd probably buy after giving the isodemo a try.
This year I can only think of 3 titles I wouldn't mind buying: Dark Souls 3, Street Fighter V and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided.
Four if The Division launches with proper anti-cheat, but seeing how Ubi are relying on shitty FairFight to deter and punish hackers in Rainbow Six Siege, I doubt The Division will be anything but a mess on PC.
Three titles that in theory should provide me with hundreds of hours of entertainment, and can be bought for 30-40 bucks each, and sometimes even cheaper.
That's not going to put a dent in my bank account, even with my less than great paycheck.
TL;DR: If groups are no longer motivated to beat protections, and piracy dies or at least shrinks considerably, I'll still continue to buy the titles I want with the only difference being I won't isodemo titles I don't consider worthy of my hard earned shekels out of curiosity.
"I think Call of Duty resonates because it's believable and relatable," Sledgehammer Games cofounder Michael Condrey says.
Believable and relatable...Yep, sounds like Call of Duty
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JackQ
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 04:26 Post subject: |
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Looks like 3DM still releasing stuffs,uncracked tough,just uncracked releases and updates.
"Fuck Denuvo"
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 10:33 Post subject: |
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| EyePatchLives wrote: | TBH, if every AAA title used Denuvo it wouldn't matter to me. Most of them aren't worth the money anyway, and those that are I'd probably buy after giving the isodemo a try.
This year I can only think of 3 titles I wouldn't mind buying: Dark Souls 3, Street Fighter V and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided.
Four if The Division launches with proper anti-cheat, but seeing how Ubi are relying on shitty FairFight to deter and punish hackers in Rainbow Six Siege, I doubt The Division will be anything but a mess on PC.
Three titles that in theory should provide me with hundreds of hours of entertainment, and can be bought for 30-40 bucks each, and sometimes even cheaper.
That's not going to put a dent in my bank account, even with my less than great paycheck.
TL;DR: If groups are no longer motivated to beat protections, and piracy dies or at least shrinks considerably, I'll still continue to buy the titles I want with the only difference being I won't isodemo titles I don't consider worthy of my hard earned shekels out of curiosity. |
I agree and besides instead of isodemoing the big titles we can still try and refund em
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JackQ
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 12:56 Post subject: |
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I personally can't believe every game that come with Denuvo won't have expliots even if 64 bit debugging improve will take time,looks like Ubi,EA etc.. started massive pushing Denuvo,I still bet some games will be cracked fast cuz they will be explioted.
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 13:15 Post subject: |
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| JackQ wrote: | | I personally can't believe every game that come with Denuvo won't have expliots even if 64 bit debugging improve will take time,looks like Ubi,EA etc.. started massive pushing Denuvo,I still bet some games will be cracked fast cuz they will be explioted. |
You don't have to wait long. We have for now Fifa 16, Just Cause 3, Tomb Raider, Unraveled soon. Next month we get Far Cry Primal and Hitman. Two more months we get Mirror's Edge. In summer we get Deus Ex. Keep a lookout and see who cracks them.
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 13:56 Post subject: |
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and once a group finds an exploit which cant be easily fixed -> cracked games for a long time again. and sooner or later a group will find a way to completely deactivate that denuvo shit. its always the same. starforce wasnt the doom of piracy and denuvo wont be too
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konkol84
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2016 18:55 Post subject: |
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nope, industry internals. nobody will tell you that. but you can bet that it costs the publisher a few millions for huge aaa titles (i doubt they charge per copy sold, but thats possible too. may be oriented with the fews they have to pay to ms or sony to publish a game on their plattform. think it was about 6-7 bucks per copy)
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JackQ
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 06:57 Post subject: |
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| tet666 wrote: |
Anyone can contribute to that http://x64dbg.com/ they actually got a lot of influx cause of Denuvo lately. |
I considering to donate,personally,but if only they will really work on the stuffs that missing debugging denuvo also.
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JackQ
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 12:39 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | 3DM recently will announce the latest Denuvo encryption solutions, including "FIFA 16" "Just Cause 3" "Tomb Raider: The Rise" can be supported.
Of course, this will not be a high-profile release in the name of 3DM.
Lately people are saying that we've given up cracking because of technical difficulty, the release is to prove that this is not the case.
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http://m.weibo.cn/1957183442/DgJgvfS9s?jumpfrom=weibocom[/quote]
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 13:36 Post subject: |
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Btw 3DM just announced an hour ago they will release a "solution" for the latest Denuvo soon:
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""3DM recently will announce the latest Denuvo encryption solutions, including "FIFA 16" "Just Cause 3" "Tomb Raider: The Rise" can be supported. Of course, this is not an official on behalf of the high-profile release. We say that a lot of players because of the recent abandonment crack is because of technical problems, but to prove it is not the case, we have not yet been stumped.""
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Didn't they write they won't release anything for a year to study Piracy or something stupid like that just a week ago?
This 3DM Bird chick seems to be high or something....
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 14:14 Post subject: |
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| tet666 wrote: | Btw 3DM just announced an hour ago they will release a "solution" for the latest Denuvo soon:
| Quote: | Google Translate
""3DM recently will announce the latest Denuvo encryption solutions, including "FIFA 16" "Just Cause 3" "Tomb Raider: The Rise" can be supported. Of course, this is not an official on behalf of the high-profile release. We say that a lot of players because of the recent abandonment crack is because of technical problems, but to prove it is not the case, we have not yet been stumped.""
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Didn't they write they won't release anything for a year to study Piracy or something stupid like that just a week ago?
This 3DM Bird chick seems to be high or something.... |
Correct translation:
In the near future, 3DM will announce a solution to Denuvo, which will support games including FIFA 16, Just Cause 3 and Rise of the Tomb Raider.
Of course, we would not announce the release formally(as a 3DM release) nor with high exposure (to not attract attention)
This is because many people believed that we gave up due to the lack of technical skills. This will be proof that it is not true, and we have not yet been stumped by any challenge we faced.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 14:38 Post subject: |
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which basicly underlines the fact that they got problems due to high attention and new chinese laws?
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 14:51 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | which basicly underlines the fact that they got problems due to high attention and new chinese laws? |
I guess they've seen loss of traffic and they try to recover that hype by reconciling relations with those lost traffics, maybe this time no media coverage as they've got before.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Feb 2016 16:54 Post subject: |
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The main crackler's mother got out of the hospital and his kid now knows how to get to the kindergarten and back by its own so he's upped his efficiency.
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JackQ
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2016 08:19 Post subject: |
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Well,3DM just released a crack for latest NARUTO's game update... I am starting to think the whole "we won't crack games for a year" was bullshit announcement...
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2016 09:06 Post subject: |
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Off horse...
the main problem is x64 deassemblers(or debuggers if you will)
denuvo is crappy made product
good read http://lurklurk.com/DENUVO (RU text)
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2016 12:01 Post subject: |
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| termcan wrote: | Off horse...
the main problem is x64 deassemblers(or debuggers if you will)
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This whole x64 debugging shit ... Is this coming from that russian translated post from reddit ? There are countless other posts from people that at least give the illusion of knowing what the fuck they're talking about that x64 is bullshit and not the reason at all. This waiting for x64 tools to develop seems like straws to me. Even if it were true, it's not like this is gonna be fixed overnight. A shitload of big games coming in the near future will still be unavailable with cracks. Wonder why isn't there a Reloaded/Codex release for XCOM 2 yet?
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JackQ
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2016 12:11 Post subject: |
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So why every Denuvo game is 64 bit only?
I doubt 86x games will be harder to crack...
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2016 12:13 Post subject: |
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| qqq wrote: | | termcan wrote: | Off horse...
the main problem is x64 deassemblers(or debuggers if you will)
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This whole x64 debugging shit ... Is this coming from that russian translated post from reddit ? There are countless other posts from people that at least give the illusion of knowing what the fuck they're talking about that x64 is bullshit and not the reason at all. This waiting for x64 tools to develop seems like straws to me. Even if it were true, it's not like this is gonna be fixed overnight. A shitload of big games coming in the near future will still be unavailable with cracks. Wonder why isn't there a Reloaded/Codex release for XCOM 2 yet? |
Yeah, there are plenty of games that are 64-bit only:
https://hardcore-games.azurewebsites.net/wp/game-64.php
And the ones without Denuvo have all been cracked.
I don't doubt that better tools will make the work easier, but all this talk about "the ONLY thing preventing Denuvo from being cracked is the lack of good x64 debuggers" sounds like complete BS to me.
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JackQ
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2016 12:15 Post subject: |
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Hm... Maby becuase they used little to no protection at all aside steam ?
And some used VMProtcted which is also 86x
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JackQ
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2016 12:20 Post subject: |
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The "russian" sources seems to be more realible,I have yet to see articels or similers aside from some random posters that disprove that.
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2016 12:52 Post subject: |
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| JackQ wrote: | Hm... Maby becuase they used little to no protection at all aside steam ?
And some used VMProtcted which is also 86x |
Well, that's the point, isn't it?
x64 game with easy protection -> cracked
x64 game with hard protection -> not cracked
The complexity of the protection system is the biggest obstacle here. The lack of sophisticated debugging tools may be a factor, but it's not like denuvo will be cracked overnight the moment a better x64 debugger gets released.
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Denuvo has been around for a long time now and well, nothing is suggesting that it should change anytime soon, unless someone here has some information about the progress on 64 bit debugging. 
