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@Bob Barnsen AMD is just not a choice with Linux, the only linux users buying AMD are the nuts that refuse to use anything closed source.. funny too they have no problem with closed source games that could be rife with NSA malware but dear god backdoors in my GFX drviers.
Linux performance can be as good as windows if the developers know what they are doing which is a rarity (Metro and Arma3 being great examples). Hopefully the performance gap closes with Vulkan this time around
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Nov 2015 18:28 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | I have been messing around with the Steam Controller for a couple of days now, so here are some of my thoughts for those who want another opinion.
I was not sure what to make of it at first, but now I am really liking it.
Reason for this I think is that as a "default" controller, it's not really good, or at least it's not as good as DS4, for example. For controlling the camera I find the trackpad working as a stick worse than a proper stick (and I hate the stick for this!). Its obvious advantage is using the trackpad as a mouse, and ideally you would want do just that and keep the rest of the controls as they are for the gamepad, but unfortunately, so far, for games that are not specifically designed for steam controller with that option in mind that is not possible. You can't have both mouse and gamepad inputs active at the same time - one will block out the other, meaning you can't be moving and looking around at the same time, for example (it has a mouse "emulation" option, for trying to emulate mouse-like behavior using stick output, but it sucks and I find it largely unusable). If you take that away, it just becomes a "different" controller, with nothing really special to offer other than the grip buttons (which you can put to good use even with a standard control schemes).
However if you are willing to put some time into working out a good control scheme (or finding a good community profile), you will get a lot more out of it. The main trade-off for getting the mouse-look to work properly will be losing the analog movement option, and so far that wasn't really a huge deal.
I have been mainly using Batman as my guinea pig for various control tests and worked out a hybrid control scheme combining keyboard/mouse and gamepad inputs to pretty great effect. It makes it possible not only to have the mouse-look option, but also improve on some aspects of the default gamepad controls. I can also get back the analog controls by holding one of the grip buttons, which is useful for driving, for example.
Generally speaking, mouse-look is not bad at all, especially with gyro assist. On that note, somewhat unexpectedly, gyros are really good, and they are used for precision aiming in many profiles. In many situations I find that they actually work better than the trackpad, with "Trackpad + gyro" combo being surprisingly intuitive to use. It will never be able to compete with a proper mouse, but between that and sticks it sits much closer to the mouse leaving analog sticks far behind.
For some general negative feedback, I would agree with the A/B/X/Y button criticism in that they are a bit on the small side and mainly that they are too close together. You could probably get used to it, and often it's the muscle memory that throws you off, but it's fairly routine for me to hit the wrong button when doing it on a reflex.
On the comfort side, I don't notice any obvious issues, but I do get that  feeling when I pick up the DS4 after prolonged use, so I guess that is saying something.
TL;DR
Not so great "out of the box". Really good if you are willing to work with it. |
Frankly ds4 is superior to anything else. Chance had it that I could test both xbone controller and ds4 on pc, and it isn't even close. It's analogue pads are extremely accurate. I use joytokey to emulate mouse on my controller. This requires precise x/y movement detection when gently moving the stick. Xbone is a bit messy with this, almost requiring a slight deadzone. In the end in games it's not too big a difference, since they're mostly configured for rough presses. Still, it's the only that can rival my old dual action logitech in accuracy. It also has no clicky d-pad and back buttons, but smooth buttons all the way, with the exception of those new poorly placed start/select buttons. Also, triggers are not on the same axis as on xbox controller, and it fits better in my hands.
It really is huge improvement over old PS3 controller that used to be a big step behind xbox controller, now it's the other way around. Only thing that xbone still has it over ps4, is it's plastics. PS4's looked firmer at first, now they got got a bit shaky after couple of rage throws playing 2k16.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Nov 2015 18:33 Post subject: |
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Nice, but wrong thread. At first I thought Valve is making a cook-on-steam machine.. 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 00:16 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 01:15 Post subject: |
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The amount of updates the controller has received that improve stability, add options and now even an entirely new controlling method is impressive.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 12:04 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 13:46 Post subject: |
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It says here you can use it even without Steam running. https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamController/wiki/index
| Quote: | Desktop Mode Bindings
The Steam Controller can be used as a mouse+keyboard remote for your computer. Its behavior becomes more sophisticated when Steam is running in the background.
Steam Not Running
Input Binding
| Quote: | Stick / Left Pad (Press) Arrow Keys
A Button Enter
B Button Escape
Start Button Escape
Back Button Tab
Right Trigger (Hard) Mouse Left Click
Left Trigger (Hard) Mouse Right Click
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TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 13:59 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | It says here you can use it even without Steam running. https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamController/wiki/index
| Quote: | Desktop Mode Bindings
The Steam Controller can be used as a mouse+keyboard remote for your computer. Its behavior becomes more sophisticated when Steam is running in the background.
Steam Not Running
Input Binding
| Quote: | Stick / Left Pad (Press) Arrow Keys
A Button Enter
B Button Escape
Start Button Escape
Back Button Tab
Right Trigger (Hard) Mouse Left Click
Left Trigger (Hard) Mouse Right Click
Right Pad Mouse Cursor |
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Can someone use it on isodemos or does it need Steam running on the background?
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 14:23 Post subject: |
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For non-Steam purchased games you need to add them and launch them through Steam. This answer is also in the above link.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 15:12 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I can confirm that it does work without steam running, but the left pad does not function as the mouse wheel in that case.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 15:15 Post subject: |
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| fearwhatnow wrote: |
Can someone use it on isodemos or does it need Steam running on the background? |
I've tried it with an isodemo. As stated, you have to add the game to steam and launch from there. The downside is that you do not have access to recommended/community bindings. You can only select from the generic presets built into steam or create your own from scratch.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 17:04 Post subject: |
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I need to open mine and give it a try. Now that I'm done with Original Sin EE I can try something with the controller.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Dec 2015 13:54 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Dec 2015 14:13 Post subject: |
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why.jpg
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Dec 2015 15:20 Post subject: |
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Idea is not too bad. But personally i see no use to this.
IF i want to play mobile games, i just get my smartphone out. I don't want to carry another device with me.
And at home i will never play on a puny 5" display.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Dec 2015 15:24 Post subject: |
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well as a person who spends more than an hour a day on public transport - this would be great way to speed up clearing of my backlog 
But the pricetag for the better version and it being AMD based isnt dosnt sound so great to me
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 06:44 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Dec 2015 07:10 Post subject: |
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Someone mentioned ui scaling in the last page. Valve is in a powerful position with PC gaming, I guess there no profit involved but they could:
Give incentive 10% reduction per copy if game meets conditions:
Fps unlocked, proper ui scaling, fov controls, raw mouse input no acceleration. There should be a standard devs have to meet to get it on the store or get a certified PC game discount etc.
They could push there Linux angle this way too, available on Linux? Great only give us 15% instead or 30%.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2016 16:45 Post subject: |
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So I bought a Steam Controller.
My reasoning was ease of use for my left hand, while allowing more flexible control for various games, when I cannot use the traditional keyboard/mouse.
Got it yesterday, used it for a few hours today. What an odd piece of equipment.
It seems virtually impossible to aim properly with it. I've tried adjusting the various settings, but I can never get the right touchpad to 'feel' like I have control, it just feels very odd.
Did anyone here get one, and are they still using it now?
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Apr 2016 18:50 Post subject: |
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It's my default controller presently and I have been using it for many games. The usual advice for aiming is to use the gyro. Trackpad for approximate aiming and camera direction and then adjust with the gyro for precision aiming. It's no mouse, but works very well as an alternative.
Generally speaking, this controller works best when you take your time and set it up. Most default configurations barely scratch the surface of what you can do with it and it's also not that great as a 1 to 1 gamepad replacement.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2016 12:44 Post subject: |
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| IamAWESOME wrote: | Is steam link worth $35?
Can you stream non-steam games?
Any television set with HDMI cable is enough, yes?
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Definately... if you have a decent network setup. Wired is a must. I'd advise Dualshocks 4 with it. Though 360 pads work as well. Xbox one controllers don't unless you buy some overpriced software. There's the Steam Controller but I never tried one of those so (and the reviews don't really convince me).
I've been using it mostly with emulators and it's great for that. There will be some minor struggles to set it all up but all in all its a lot easier than what I expected.
I also used it to Stream my F1 and the Eurocups to my tv and it was great. I haven't really used it much for its intended use... but the few games I tried worked without flaws.
The few downsides:
Doesn't have an on/off switch. Bit baffled that they did not implement that.
The thing will bug out once in a while and might even bug out if the Steam servers are acting up. For me it wasn't much of a hassle, the PC is just a few meters away from the TV anyway.
In desktop mode the controller changes automatically to mouse mode. It works really well... the only problem I have with it is that we don't have control over it and it might give problems with some software. It's the one thing that cause the problems with emulators mostly.
Unless you have a Steam controller it lacks controller customization but I guess that's pretty much them wanting to push their own hardware.
If you have more questions or want me to try something out for you let me know. (watching F1 so it would be after that  )
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2016 13:48 Post subject: |
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Aye, anything you do on the desktop can be streamed live on the TV 
I haven't experienced wireless, but what I heared from it is that the quality is worse and well even with a decent setup: signal loss... it has been better since some update. But still most do advice to go wired if you can.
You might want to inform yourself on that in the Steam Link forums, they are more up to date on the wireless side of it.
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