How do they communicate with the people in the 14th century

As I understood it, their primer "powers".

this ridiculous idea that killing some crazy humans (Primaries) would kill Time itself. Quantum Break was a bit better in this regard

tbh at first I thought it was Sam but then the other theory seemed more plausible especially after the episode when the Witness possessed Cass and all these scenes at the "house"

there are two Coles and Cole from the future is guiding another Cole.. it feels like lazy writing.

every Tom, Dick and Harry apparently being able to teleport at will using portable time machines and change stuff.

1) It kinda devalues the whole idea of time travel as a magnificent achievement and what it entails in general.

2) It might encourage "lazy" writing.

Cassie is the "true" Witness; not the being behind the mask, that's Olivia. But the woman who will choose the Red Forest so that she doesn't lose Cole. As the elder Seer/Primary says to Olivia: "You're simply a fool draped in metal. Thy tittle is a lie, thy crown undeserved. We've always known the true witness will bring about the forest of red, because she fears loneliness, fears nothingness"

Cole ends ups as the corpse. In the latest episode he cut himself with the vial exposing himself to the virus. Now, we know he is immune, so he won't be dying from that, by he will be carrying it. The final splinter sequence sends him in the Himalayas, as the source of the virus.

Finally, some other version of Cole maybe, gets a happy ending with Cassie (at the Keys maybe), because they probably want to give the characters a more happy ending than "everything repeats forever".

And here is some evidence:

Finale's score track titles:

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The Last Battle Cassie's Choice The Right Thing the Right Way Death Can Be Undone, Love Cannot See You Soon The Final Splinter

"The Last Battle": So there's the final battle with Olivia, and Olivia perhaps is even killed here.
"Cassie's Choice": Cassie has to choose between never meeting Cole, or something like that, or the creation of the Red Forest where they can stay together forever. She wants to create the Forest.
"The Right Thing the Right Way", dunno, probably some debating about what to choose.
"Death Can Be Undone, Love Cannot": Back and forth with Cole and Cassie debating what to do.
"See You Soon": Story is about to loop back to the pilot.
"The Final Splinter": Cole ends up in the Himalayas and/or Cole ends at the Keys or somewhere with Cassie.

There was also strong Cassie foreshadowing in that ep where she talked with Christopher Lloyd in the hotel floor and then the screen turned red.
That scene really showed that she is drawn to the red forest scenario.

Yeah, they make it fairly obvious there she will be thinking about the Red Forest, and there's the same implication also when the Pallid Man approaches her at the airport. The "true Witness" bit was a little more hidden (unless it turns out to be a misdirection).

Also, Matalas and the actors have said that in the finale we are going to see the "future asshole" scene from the other perspective, and the scene will continue further from where it cut. In S3E1 it cut at this point:

Cassie: "You know there's another way."
Cole: "No, there's not."

which at the time we didn't know what it could possible refer to. But given Cassie's recent thoughts, I expect the scene to be extended with Cassie going on about maybe embracing the creation of the Red Forest.

when the good guys went back in time and tried to sabotage Titan, why didn't the bad guys send themselves in time to warn other bad guys and potentially kill all these annoying good guys? Why didn't they travel back in time to get this scientist who built Titan?

and I'm talking about Cole's son, couldn't see in his visions that he would be betrayed by this wannabe Witness woman. I mean ..considering Primaries' abilities and all..

so few cultists protecting the city..like wtf? And after the good guys killed the witness where the fuck was the rest of her army?? She should have had hundreds under her command...not dozens

they showed us the red leaf leaving us wondering whether it was the Red Forest or the boring Hollywoodish happy ending.

Cole really dying and sacrificing himself which seemed to be the case at first. So when I saw Cole after the perfect scenes with Cassy I was so annoyed and angry.

time\Jones "saved" him ("it owes us!") then it's just cheap. I really hate hollywodish happy endings. :E

I prefer to think that Cassy decided to destroy the time and everything that followed after that is just a Red Forest "dream". But, sadly, the dialogue with Jones and Athan + Jennifer's ramblings suggest it's indeed a crappy happy ending. + the creator of the show prefers the happy ending

They should have just let Cole die. The scenes with Cassy remembering and narrating the story were perfect right until they showed us Cole.

prefers the happy ending, however, the other writers who worked on this show prefer the red forest ending and tbh it looks like the Red Forest ending is quite possible

https://www.reddit.com/r/12Monkeys/comments/8wtsxk/you_are_walking_through_a_red_forest_ending/

And for me it doesn't matter what writers that didn't write it prefer.

To me that's like the Season 6 Buffy episode where it is suggested the whole series is in Buffy's head. And Whedon says it's perfectly possible that's what the series has been about, about an insane Buffy in a mental hospital and none of it was real. And that he will respect that reading buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut he personally believes it was all real. Duh.

These alternate endings that their own creators don't believe in are silly for me. If you don't believe in them, I don't believe in them.

More power to the viewers that do, though. Merely talking about myself.

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what writers that didn't write it prefer.

What? They DID write it.

As for the " alternate" ending the creator himself said it was specifically made ambiguous. They even kept repeating over and over in the TV show "The right ending is the one you choose".

So bringing up Buffy nonsense is kinda ridiculous It's not even close.

No they didn't. Check writing credits. Matalas wrote the 2-ep finale entirely on his own. And directed it too.

Matalas says it's a perfectly valid ending, but not the one he believes in.

Same for me. If Matalas doesn't believe it, I don't believe it. Why? Because Matalas wrote it.

Do you want to believe it? Perfectly fine for me. It's entirely possible that's what happened.

*I* don't believe it though. More power to you if you do.

1) I was not talking just about 2 last episodes.

2) It's not about believing though. Belief is blind. Here everything makes the Red Forest a "valid ending" as Malatas said himself.

The creator not preferring it doesn't make it alternate or anything.

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If Matalas doesn't believe it, I don't believe it

This line of reasoning makes little sense to me tbh. But everyone is different I guess.

I didn't choose The Red Forest ending coz Malatas or other guys liked or disliked it. It doesn't matter in the slightest to me.

I chose it coz it's a better ending overall out of the two available and it is perfectly valid considering the way the show and the last 2 episodes are written by Malatas (and other writers).


In other words, Malatas liking a crappy hollywoodish happy ending doesn't make it truer than the red forest ending all things considered (the way the show and the last two episodes are written).

Making EVERYONE alive and kicking afterall what happened is a VERY weak ending that just makes everything they went through pointless and devalues it.

Assuming it's not some ambiguous red forest ending (they left that interpretation open but I don't believe in it). I would have preferred that Cole splintered to the new timeline in his own year (2043). Then they show a bit of the future world (flying cars, spaceships, new skyscrapers etc.)
And finally, for the last scene he meets old Cassie and Jennifer and has a threesome with the grannies.

It seemed clear to me they ended up in the red forest, everyone in their perfect moments.

Not for everyone. Not quite. The show's central couple's perfect moment would include Athan. You can argue of course that right after the show ended they got busy conceiving him and he would eventually become part of their life, but you don't know that.