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Ronhrin
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | | dsergei wrote: | | To be fair Ronhrin doesn't really force anything upon us - he lacks the coercion mechanism of the State - he is just sometimes being (excessively) vocal about his views. |
true, that's not what bothers me its when someone gives their view he has that
'psss, poor simpleton, one day you will see the world as I do, and realize your a sheep..until then hush little child and let my wisdom and vast intellect soothe you" |
So basically what offends you isn't so much if I'm right or wrong, merely that I'm arrogant and mock people with an inferior intellect?
Can you explain how is this an argument, being arrogant says nothing about my argument, only about my person, and we're not debating my person.
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| Mussolinka wrote: | | |DXWarlock wrote: | | dsergei wrote: | | To be fair Ronhrin doesn't really force anything upon us - he lacks the coercion mechanism of the State - he is just sometimes being (excessively) vocal about his views. |
true, that's not what bothers me its when someone gives their view he has that
'psss, poor simpleton, one day you will see the world as I do, and realize your a sheep..until then hush little child and let my wisdom and vast intellect soothe you" |
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no luckily most my family is southern US rednecks..none of them wasn't smart enough to know what being condescending was, much less the word itself. I bet if you asked them what it was, 1/2 of them would say the wetness on a cold glass of beer.
My father was the only smart one..LOL
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | | dsergei wrote: | | To be fair Ronhrin doesn't really force anything upon us - he lacks the coercion mechanism of the State - he is just sometimes being (excessively) vocal about his views. |
true, that's not what bothers me its when someone gives their view he has that
'psss, poor simpleton, one day you will see the world as I do, and realize your a sheep..until then hush little child and let my wisdom and vast intellect soothe you" |
Its funny really, I wonder if people who act like this ever wonder why, if they are so correct, they're not slightly more important to the world.
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The thing that angered me in the past having a discussion with you Ronhrin, you are not interested in the truth. You want to win the debate whatever it takes using fallacies, rephrasing words, claiming views, opinions as facts. I just felt offended intellectually but I always have the option to ignore debating threads unless you bring the debate to threads that have other purposes.
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| [sYn] wrote: | | Its funny really, I wonder if people who act like this ever wonder why, if they are so correct, they're not slightly more important to the world. |
because 'the man' wants to keep them down, so they cant open peoples eyes..keep the public stupid so they can be controlled..
or so Ive heard from a few of them that I know personally that sport tinfoil hats.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2011 22:07 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | |DXWarlock wrote: | | dsergei wrote: | | To be fair Ronhrin doesn't really force anything upon us - he lacks the coercion mechanism of the State - he is just sometimes being (excessively) vocal about his views. |
true, that's not what bothers me its when someone gives their view he has that
'psss, poor simpleton, one day you will see the world as I do, and realize your a sheep..until then hush little child and let my wisdom and vast intellect soothe you" |
Its funny really, I wonder if people who act like this ever wonder why, if they are so correct, they're not slightly more important to the world. |
Because most people are stupid, intellect and righteousness is very rarely socially considered (unless it's pseudo religious or emotional crap), what is mostly rewarded is futility, shallowness and socially accepted norms, everything that changes the status quo or questions it, is met with hostility and incomprehension, regardless of topic or consequences.
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Because most people are stupid, intellect and righteousness is very rarely socially considered (unless it's pseudo religious or emotional crap), what is mostly rewarded is futility, shallowness and socially accepted norms, everything that changes the status quo or questions it, is met with hostility and incomprehension, regardless of topic or consequences. |
refer to my post above this one 
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Just for the record guys, we all have inferior intellects when compared to Ronhrin.. Despite him providing no reasoning or proof of this fact.. that's just how it is, and where we are all going wrong.
If we were smarter, we would understand. I get it now.
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| iconized wrote: | | The thing that angered me in the past having a discussion with you Ronhrin, you are not interested in the truth. You want to win the debate whatever it takes using fallacies, rephrasing words, claiming views, opinions as facts. I just felt offended intellectually but I always have the option to ignore debating threads unless you bring the debate to threads that have other purposes. |
I'm sorry if I gave you that idea, perhaps you misinterpreted it as the arrogance I often reply with when I perceive the people as incapable to understand what I'm arguing.
I will attempt to correct myself in that regard.
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| Ronhrin wrote: | perhaps you misinterpreted it as the arrogance I often reply with when I perceive the people as incapable to understand what I'm arguing.
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isnt that the definition of arrogance? assuming that you need to dumb down your thinking for us? in a way going "they dont know I'm right, I'm being too intellectual, I need to make it in simpleton speak for them to see my logic"
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Ronhrin
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | | [sYn] wrote: | | Its funny really, I wonder if people who act like this ever wonder why, if they are so correct, they're not slightly more important to the world. |
because 'the man' wants to keep them down, so they cant open peoples eyes..keep the public stupid so they can be controlled..
or so Ive heard from a few of them that I know personally that sport tinfoil hats. |
Weren't you previously criticizing that the reason I anger you is because I argue about people's motivations without asking?
Aren't you doing the same now by mixing me in the same group as your tinfoil hat friends?
| [sYn] wrote: | Just for the record guys, we all have inferior intellects when compared to Ronhrin.. Despite him providing no reasoning or proof of this fact.. that's just how it is, and where we are all going wrong.
If we were smarter, we would understand. I get it now. |
The inability to comprehend complex ideas by some of you is proof enough, furthermore, what sort of proof would be enough for you, if any?
Also, it is my opinion that what pisses you of is not if I'm intellectually superior or not, what really pisses you off is that I'm arrogant enough to be constantly reminding others of such fact, isn't it right?
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Oh btw with "rephrasing" I basically meant altering the meaning.
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Weren't you previously criticizing that the reason I anger you is because I argue about people's motivations without asking?
Aren't you doing the same now by mixing me in the same group as your tinfoil hat friends? |
its me being an pessimistic asshat, I never said I wasn't one of them...You bring anarchist lifestyle and the same broken mantra they been screaming for centuries to the table as its a new idea..
only pointing out problems, and never giving solutions. that you do have in common with the government conspiracy theory lovers. everything its doing wrong, but no offers of what would make it right...
well beyond the same mantra I said of the anarchist lifestyle, which has been tried before many time in history and failed..but that's another discussion.
| Ronhrin wrote: | The inability to comprehend complex ideas by some of you is proof enough, furthermore, what sort of prove would be enough for you.
Also, it is my opinion that what pisses you of is not if I'm intellectually superior or not, what really pisses you off is that I'm arrogant enough to be constantly reminding others of such fact, isn't it right? |
where have I shown a lack of understanding complex ideals and concepts? because we disagree with your assumption of it? that makes it we cant comprehend it?
thats along the lines of logic alex jones and such use "help teach the ignorant about the corruption and HAARP truths! if they tell you otherwise they are just ignorant of the facts"
what pisses me off is you seem to have that mentality of someone in late teens, early 20's just viewing the world beyond what the TV and home taught you..realizing its not like it was made to be on leave it to beaver..and going "guys guys! you got to see this! all you knew was a lie!" after we have all been to that meeting a decade ago and moved on.
turning around telling us we are ignorant, and need to see the way you see things for us to be able to "open our eyes" ..maybe some of us seen it, didn't care, and just apathetic about it.
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Weren't you previously criticizing that the reason I anger you is because I argue about people's motivations without asking?
Aren't you doing the same now by mixing me in the same group as your tinfoil hat friends? |
its me being an pessimistic asshat, I never said I wasn't one of them...You bring anarchist lifestyle and the same broken mantra they been screaming for centuries to the table as its a new idea..
only pointing out problems, and never giving solutions. that you do have in common with the government conspiracy theory lovers. everything its doing wrong, but no offers of what would make it right...
well beyond the same mantra I said of the anarchist lifestyle, which has been tried before many time in history and failed..but that's another discussion.
| Ronhrin wrote: | The inability to comprehend complex ideas by some of you is proof enough, furthermore, what sort of prove would be enough for you.
Also, it is my opinion that what pisses you of is not if I'm intellectually superior or not, what really pisses you off is that I'm arrogant enough to be constantly reminding others of such fact, isn't it right? |
where have I shown a lack of understanding complex ideals and concepts? because we disagree with your assumption of it? that makes it we cant comprehend it?
thats along the lines of logic alex jones and such use "help teach the ignorant about the corruption and HAARP truths! if they tell you otherwise they are just ignorant of the facts"
what pisses me off is you seem to have that mentality of someone in late teens, early 20's just viewing the world beyond what the TV and home taught you..realizing its not like it was made to be on leave it to beaver..and going "guys guys! you got to see this! all you knew was a lie!" after we have all been to that meeting a decade ago and moved on. |
Again, this is the last time I will say this, I'm not promoting the Anarchistic lifestyle as if it was a new thing, wonder what made you conclude that?
Furthermore, it's not about pointing out problems without addressing solutions, it's about fundamentals!
No societal problem is greater than the violation of the principle of respect for property rights.
Even if there were no solutions (which there are plenty), nothing justifies and legitimates the preemptive coercive aspect of taxation to pay for services which are only secondary when compared to the principle itself.
Also, where did I say I meant you specifically in my remark about lack of comprehension for complex ideas, I was replying to syn, not you, and I wasn't referring him specifically either, just the flock mentality other members have.
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what flock? see your trying to belittle and downplay all the replies by lumping them into a flock mentality.
I know none of these guys, Don't hang out with them, and if they decide to all tell me to fuck off one day, so be it.
there is no 'flock' against you..your displaying the key instinctual reaction of man to want to perceive "all those against me are in a group acting as puppets" the "everyone against me, I'm on the outside" self defense mechanism that people have to self justify why these actions are being taken against them.
as one man said "if everyone you meet is an opinionated asshole, perhaps its not the people that have the problem"
We all know, your anarchist, we get it..quit being a precher and trying to convert us by telling us we are all ignorant, blind sheep..that lack the capacity to truly understand the world.
the world has evolved to what it is based on mankind ITSELF. you change the laws, your not fixing it..your just shifting the balance of power. the same trait that made mankind the higher species on the planet is the same one that makes us screwed up as we are..dominance and the desire to be "pack leaders".
How about this, I agree your right, Im a stooge with no real world concepts, understanding on logic values, ideals, and concepts. and that your opinion I will see as fact..because like any news show you teach you..all it takes is a slightly smarter idiots to convince the real idiots hes right.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2011 22:41 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | Also, where did I say I meant you specifically in my remark about lack of comprehension for complex ideas, I was replying to syn, not you, and I wasn't referring him specifically either, just the flock mentality other members have. |
Its fine Ronhrin, I've accepted that you are vastly superior to me in every way and my opinions, ideas and thoughts are simply to idiotic to bother you with. Your credentials and experience in the field of philosophy and your well respected, published papers on the matter are enough to show me how wrong I am.
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So, in other words, you require validation and proof by others, rather than by yourself?
A genius is only a genius if validated by certified geniuses with credentials? 
Come on, even I know you're smarter than that...
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better yet...a good example.
your Morpheus from the matrix, trying to open peoples eyes..
you offer me the pills.. I choose the blue one, the whole time your screaming "NO NO NO you needed the red one, THE RED ONE! your missing the truth!"
because Ive taken the red before, realized there isn't much that interests me there and came back..
your upset and mad that I wont goto the red world with you...and to that I have one response...this steak is delicious.
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | [sYn] wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | Also, where did I say I meant you specifically in my remark about lack of comprehension for complex ideas, I was replying to syn, not you, and I wasn't referring him specifically either, just the flock mentality other members have. |
Its fine Ronhrin, I've accepted that you are vastly superior to me in every way and my opinions, ideas and thoughts are simply to idiotic to bother you with. Your credentials and experience in the field of philosophy and your well respected, published papers on the matter are enough to show me how wrong I am.
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So, in other words, you require validation and proof by others, rather than by yourself?
A genius is only a genius if validated by certified geniuses with credentials?
Come on, even I know you're smarter than that... |
So, religion is right because I said so? And you're wrong because I also said so? I don't need proof because I said so...
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | [sYn] wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | Also, where did I say I meant you specifically in my remark about lack of comprehension for complex ideas, I was replying to syn, not you, and I wasn't referring him specifically either, just the flock mentality other members have. |
Its fine Ronhrin, I've accepted that you are vastly superior to me in every way and my opinions, ideas and thoughts are simply to idiotic to bother you with. Your credentials and experience in the field of philosophy and your well respected, published papers on the matter are enough to show me how wrong I am.
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So, in other words, you require validation and proof by others, rather than by yourself?
A genius is only a genius if validated by certified geniuses with credentials?
Come on, even I know you're smarter than that... |
I think you're missing the point Ronhrin. You are acting very much like an institute of higher learning yourself, deciding which opinions are correct and acting as those who do not agree with it are wrong and have thus failed the test of your education.
You are the one who needs to provide others with validation in order to consider them on the same level as you. None of these actions scream anarchism to me, they in fact scream communism. :O!
Plus as Waldo points out, there is a good reason why some people are respected in their relevant fields.. Generally they've proven themselves as being worth listening to. Frankly, you are very far away from proving anything of the sort.
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book smarts vs self smart... who's going to win?! How do you like them... debates?
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | iconized wrote: | | The thing that angered me in the past having a discussion with you Ronhrin, you are not interested in the truth. You want to win the debate whatever it takes using fallacies, rephrasing words, claiming views, opinions as facts. I just felt offended intellectually but I always have the option to ignore debating threads unless you bring the debate to threads that have other purposes. |
I'm sorry if I gave you that idea, perhaps you misinterpreted it as the arrogance I often reply with when I perceive the people as incapable to understand what I'm arguing.
I will attempt to correct myself in that regard. |
| iconized wrote: | | Oh btw with "rephrasing" I basically meant altering the meaning. |
This is just exactly what I mean. You ignore the lot and comment on the possibility that a rephrase can be a paraphrase and then stating that you do that because you think the other doesn't understand you. I am still wondering if you are trolling or just incapable of coherent thinking, like that your obsessions take over and make you produce absolute bullshit larded with enough uncommon words so you might portray yourself as intelligent.
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | what flock? see your trying to belittle and downplay all the replies by lumping them into a flock mentality.
I know none of these guys, Don't hang out with them, and if they decide to all tell me to fuck off one day, so be it.
there is no 'flock' against you..your displaying the key instinctual reaction of man to want to perceive "all those against me are in a group acting as puppets" the "everyone against me, I'm on the outside" self defense mechanism that people have to self justify why these actions are being taken against them.
as one man said "if everyone you meet is an opinionated asshole, perhaps its not the people that have the problem"
We all know, your anarchist, we get it..quit being a precher and trying to convert us by telling us we are all ignorant, blind sheep..that lack the capacity to truly understand the world.
the world has evolved to what it is based on mankind ITSELF. you change the laws, your not fixing it..your just shifting the balance of power. the same trait that made mankind the higher species on the planet is the same one that makes us screwed up as we are..dominance and the desire to be "pack leaders".
How about this, I agree your right, Im a stooge with no real world concepts, understanding on logic values, ideals, and concepts. and that your opinion I will see as fact..because like any news show you teach you..all it takes is a slightly smarter idiots to convince the real idiots hes right. |
The State is as far of a real world concept as your Matrix example is from reality itself.
When you claim that I'm merely using a self protection mechanism you are solely making a claim without any basis for a real argument.
You criticize and criticize my argument but you have still failed to justify how can you prioritize a need over a principle.
Yes, I get that you want your beloved State services, that is your need, but the principle takes precedent over all that, and that's what you have failed to address so far, even though I've made that remark over three times now.
Everyone with an interest in physics would also love to break the light speed limit, but guess what, the principle takes precedent, and you cannot do it in any logical sense.
This is what happens when humans attempt to prioritize need over principle, it doesn't work!
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