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 Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 11:40 Post subject: Being a homo? |
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Saw this comment on youtube, thought it was bullshit, what do you think?
Homosexual activity does not mean you're a homosexual. That would imply homosexuality is a choice which it is not - that is a myth strongly spread by christian movement. In sparta, homosexuality, as all of the aspects in their society, was a practical means not an inherent sexual orientation.
If you engage in a homosexual act by choice, with absolutely no coercion, that means you find your sexual partner attractive, and are therefore at least bisexual. You are not born 'gay', although you may have a predisposition towards a particular sexual orientation.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 12:09 Post subject: |
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lol, I generally don't take youtube comments too seriously, and no I don't agree with him. Homosexual activity unless you're just experimenting one time (no matter sex) means ur homosexual imo. Even tho there might be differences in cultures, they are all bisexual.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 12:56 Post subject: |
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I think there were no such categorization of people as homosexual or not, so what might be considered as homosexual these days (mainly by homophobes) wasn't back then. Can't something similar be said about the gladitorial games in Rome (and encient Europe)? What might be considered as cruel and barbaric today was considered like watching football games back then. I think the problem is the categorization of people. 
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 13:11 Post subject: |
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bottom of the line is if you fucked a man and enjoyed it you're gay
or at least a strong bi
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 14:07 Post subject: |
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As firemaster said.
If you are sexually attracted to men you are gay and if you like women to you are bi. and if you like teh animals you are tri. easy as that.
or you could bi if you like men and animals... ah thats weird!
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 14:09 Post subject: |
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if i like my table? (objectophilia)
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 14:11 Post subject: |
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hmm.. how about the love to virtual things? can we consider this as objectophilia?
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 15:49 Post subject: |
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Yeah the greeks were well known for there love to teh boyz. Just because they didn't show any gay <3 in 300 doesn't mean that there wasn't any 
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 15:49 Post subject: |
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pix pls
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 18:35 Post subject: Re: Being a homo? |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | Saw this comment on youtube, thought it was bullshit, what do you think?
Homosexual activity does not mean you're a homosexual. That would imply homosexuality is a choice which it is not - that is a myth strongly spread by christian movement. In sparta, homosexuality, as all of the aspects in their society, was a practical means not an inherent sexual orientation.
If you engage in a homosexual act by choice, with absolutely no coercion, that means you find your sexual partner attractive, and are therefore at least bisexual. You are not born 'gay', although you may have a predisposition towards a particular sexual orientation. |
If you're homosexual you find yourself sexually attracted to people of the same sex and you'll be able to fall in love with them.
Sex does not necessarily have anything to do with being attracted to someone. Enjoying sex also doesn't require attraction or love.
By your logic if you masturbate, with absolutely no coercion, that means you find yourself sexually attractive. And if you masturbate with a sex toy with absolutely no coercion, that means you find the toy attractive. Those are as obviously false as your statement.
People in a leadership position in e.g. Afghanistan have a boy for sex in addition to wive(s), not because they're homosexual but just to display their power.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jun 2009 21:28 Post subject: |
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Either which way, who cares if someone is gay? Fuck....as long as no guy grabs my ass, I could care less.
Just like the big issue going on in the US right now about gay marriage and the retarded evangelicals saying that if Gays can marry, it will destroy marriage.
How does 2 people who love each other, who happen to be of the same gender, getting married ruin marriage for hetero people? Such a stupid argument imo
And they also use the argument that marriage is one man and one woman because "God/Jesus/The Bible" decreed it......obviously those people know nothing of history.
A man having multiple wives has been common throughout history, in every culture.
Once the US does away with that Puritanical streak that still runs through it, it will be in a much better place socially.
Or even the argument from the moderates that say call it a "civil union" as oppose to marriage....what the fuck? Makes no sense. In a civil union the 2 people get the same benefits of "marriage" so why not call it marriage?
Ridiculous.
Evangelicals are....I don't even know the term to describe how retarded they are.
They believe in such stupid shit....and a lot of it isn't even in the fuckin fairy tale book called "The Bible". IE The Rapture.....and don't even get me started on Mormonism and what not.
Sorry for going off topic (kinda) but I think it does relate to the discussion.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jun 2009 02:53 Post subject: Re: Being a homo? |
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| Rinze wrote: |
By your logic if you masturbate, with absolutely no coercion, that means you find yourself sexually attractive. And if you masturbate with a sex toy with absolutely no coercion, that means you find the toy attractive. Those are as obviously false as your statement.
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Hardly, unless you look in the mirror while knocking one out you're not being sexually aroused by your own appearance. Typically an individual will fantasise about sex when masturbating, and it's your fantasy which dictates your sexual orientation. Your analogy is flawed.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jun 2009 03:07 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | If you engage in a homosexual act by choice, with absolutely no coercion, that means you find your sexual partner attractive, and are therefore at least bisexual. |
And can you not think of any type of circumstance where someone could engage in a homosexual act but not be attracted to that person?
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jun 2009 03:10 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | Too long to quote but I did read it ^^ |
Only problem I have with gay marriage is when they talk about giving them the same benefits as a heteroseruxal couple (I don't know how it's over there in the states but I suppose married couples get a different tax rate etc. as well?)
Seeing as two guys get better salaries (or is there anybody who wants to deny that women get paid less?) and none of the two can get pregnant and lose that income for a while etc.
I don't see why they should get tax benefits.
Other benefits that married couples get (at least in germany) like shared healthcare and stuff, I'm fine with that.
and on topic:
I don't care who or what somebody has sex with (except children and anmials because that's... well, wrong).
But that youtube comment is... stupid?
Just because something was practiced somewhen in time doesn't make it practicable widely accepted these days.
I mean, hell, greeks had salves back then, should we get back to that? O.o
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jun 2009 03:58 Post subject: |
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A hole is a hole. If it's hot, fuck it! There is no gay.
In b4 penis envy.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jun 2009 04:54 Post subject: |
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A hole is a hole. A penis has no eyes.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jun 2009 10:57 Post subject: |
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| FireMaster wrote: | bottom of the line is if you fucked a man and enjoyed it you're gay
or at least a strong bi |
There is more to it.
For what reason do you enjoy it? Sexual, power, domination?
Are all assrapes, cocksucking in prison gayrelated or machoism going overbaord?
In prison it is not seen as gay to fuck another man in the ass, since you are still the man in power.
Edit: Just read helvetes post, which describes the same thing, but way back in time.
Edit2: And rinze.
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Some believe that falling in love with someone has little to do with sexual orientation - the human psyche looks for bonding; if you remember the TV series Oz, the story of Tobias Beecher and Chris Keller portrayed this very effectively.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jun 2009 15:11 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Some believe that falling in love with someone has little to do with sexual orientation - the human psyche looks for bonding; if you remember the TV series Oz, the story of Tobias Beecher and Chris Keller portrayed this very effectively. |
Love and sex are two separate things. There are also different types of love, for example I have platonic love for my best friends, but that doesn't mean I want to bum them, I'm not sexually attracted to them.
Why engage in a sexual act with an individual unless you find them attractive? There has to at least be a minimal physical attraction if it's consensual.
In prison not everyone becomes a bummer, and if some of those that do, do so because it is the only way they feel they can exert power over another individual it's utterly pathetic. Still, it means they at least have bisexual tendencies, since there are other more acceptable ways to demonstrate domination, if you don't consider sodomy an option. Masochism is just homophobia gone haywire, commonly the individual is terrified of their homosexual affections and so desperately tries to deny it.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jun 2009 15:42 Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, I have nothing against homosexuals either, I'm tolerant of pretty much any denomination you can think of except for religious zealots and certain fundamentalists.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jun 2009 15:45 Post subject: |
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I don't like "trannies" and sex change subjects. Perhaps it's because I have never felt "trapped in a different sex" but don't know, something doesn't feel natural at all.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jun 2009 15:57 Post subject: |
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Sure, I don't say "kill them all!" I just doesn't feel natural, and I don't feel comfortable around.
BTW today is pride parade in here in IL Thought it was relevant to the discussion. 
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