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| Morphineus wrote: | | Components unpacked ready on the shelves we did under 10 minute builds. |
I still don't accept it. It takes more than 10 minutes to mount the motherboard and install the CPU/TIM/heatsink. You'd have to be on an assembly line, with piston fingers like a Chinese wageslave to even come close to pulling off a 10 minute PC build -- and that's not even including cabling.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2019 18:52 Post subject: |
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Im assuming the least amount of parts possible with heatsinks that have thermal paste pre-applied and so one.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2019 18:56 Post subject: |
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Barebones case, power supply, motherboard with the least amount of standoffs/screws, CPU, simple thumb-click heatsink with preapplied TIM, simple or no GPU, onboard sound, front-panel headerblock, no - or one - headered fan, minimal to no cable routing. Even then you're looking at longer than 10 minutes.
600 hundred SECONDS to build a PC? I just don't buy it, but then, I've never been in the situation to see/experience it, my first job building PCs was.... not that fast 
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2019 18:58 Post subject: |
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Nah we were an IT company managing the IT of other companies/schools/banks.
MS,Cisco certified to the wazoo and all that jazz. I'm sure there is a better word/description for it these days.
We regularly had projects where we had to build batches of about 100/200 PC's.
The place was run by a former captain and lieutenant of the Belgian army though so might explain a bit. 
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2019 19:04 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Morphineus wrote: | | Components unpacked ready on the shelves we did under 10 minute builds. |
I still don't accept it. It takes more than 10 minutes to mount the motherboard and install the CPU/TIM/heatsink. You'd have to be on an assembly line, with piston fingers like a Chinese wageslave to even come close to pulling off a 10 minute PC build -- and that's not even including cabling. |
Those under 10 minutes builds were just one off's, kind of team-building. Speed building for the challenge and banter. Reason why I said: you can't do that tempo when you're actually building a whole batch.
And don't think every one of us did a successfull build every time under 10 minutes.
It was just to show that it can be done, but not just willy nilly like Sin made it sound. |
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2019 19:12 Post subject: |
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I am talking purely unpacking and putting together.
Windows installs itself, FFS, no need to wait in front of the screen, just check-in when it's done 
And I also mean, of course, a basic build.
And yeah, maybe more than "5-10" minutes, my point was more, it's very quick and easy if you know what you are doing.
No special gizmos or aftermarket water cooling and LED's or whatever else.
Just place the mobo, install CPU, put the fan on it, snap in the memory, plug in your hard drives and close the case, lol.
How actually does that take more than 10 minutes ^^
Plug-in the USB thumb drive with windows, select language/region etc and let it install, done.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2019 19:59 Post subject: |
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Yeah im with Sin and Morphineus on this one. Around 2000 i had my own store and i build so many computers in that time, you can just dream all the connections because you get used to certain types of motherboards. It was easily done in 10 minutes if you unpacked everything. And that was still when everyone had a dvd drive, burner and floppy drive on top, so you had to remove those iron plates in the casing as well. Now it must be a lot faster if you are used to building them.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2019 20:15 Post subject: |
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Installing wheels to new Mac Pro takes longer than building normal computer without bling.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2019 20:59 Post subject: |
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Well that's what everyone does, walking away. You don't waste time waiting for software or scans.
With a big order: build an install package that does the: OS, settings, software. Deploy over network and install the entire bunch of PC's on the fly.
When doing support you were also working on multiple set-ups to limit downtime.
When I was working at Janssen Pharmaceutica wiping and verifying their computers they were surprised I set it up that I could do 50 at a time. The guys before me did 5 at a time at most.  (50 was the time it took for the first 10 were done when I started up the last series of 10).
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2019 21:59 Post subject: |
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| Nui wrote: | | Sin317 wrote: | | Building a pc seems long if you stare at the windows install screen. That's the biggest, time-wise, part of the whole thing. And while it does that, just go do something else |
I think windows installs quicker than I put the machine together . I don't have much experience with pc building and tend to go slow as i'm too scared to do something wrong. |
I can take an hour on building my or my wife's PC. Just taking it easy, enjoying it and being too anal about routing the cables. If there is no need to hurry, don't really. |
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2019 22:51 Post subject: |
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Hey, I take my time, too. But after a couple PC's, it really just flows, lol.
But again, my point was merely that it doesn't take that long to build a standard, normal, PC.
Certainly less long than it took for someone to work to pay for the extra cash to buy a Prebuilt PC, instead of the parts...
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 09:08 Post subject: |
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My 4670k is still holding up in 2019, but I am getting more stuttering in games from time to time and my work could use more and faster cores.
I'm thinking should I go 3900X, 3950X (50% more for 33% more cores? :/) or just wait about a year and get something on Zen 3... hm... knowing how cheap I am and I managed gaming in 20 fps in parts of my life (eastern block, 90's and early 2000's). I will probably wait for Zen 3 or maybe Intel will wake up (probably earliest in 2021...).
I got a brand new 2070 super to go with this.
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 09:57 Post subject: |
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I am on the same dilemma with 4790k
my biggest issue is DDR3
I'm thinking of going 3900X with 32GB DDR4
as far as I understood, AMD said that Zen3 will still use AM4 socket, so I believe it's safe to assume that when it goes out I can just switch out the CPU with Zen3
also there are almost no Gen4 SSDs 
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 15:29 Post subject: |
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Fucking 3700x is still too expensive I expected a sale but it's just too good of a CPU so that everybody buys it even when there is no sale
I've got everything in place except for the stupid ass CPU
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 15:40 Post subject: |
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i read something a 2700x is only 5% slower then a 3600 in real life performance, so the 2700 is the real bargain
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 17:48 Post subject: |
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6700K user and also having some tiny stutterings with some games, but perhaps badly optimized ones (BORDERLANDS 3 was the last one i've played) .
Still got a long way with my actual rig, but if i were to upgrade:
3700x
X570 board (So i don't have to buy an ol' 2000 RYZEN to update the BIOS etc to make it work)
A newer CPU Cooler , something like BeQuiet! Dark Rock or something that doesn't touchg the RAM AT-ALL but does a ton of cooling without making much noise.
I wonder if my 32GB DDR4 3000mhz RAM (yet without XMP goes dunno, 2400?mhz but when AUTO XMP'd it goes 3000mhz) could resist without the need to re-change it again for "that sweet spot" everyone says.
Usually i play actual offline games but i also do basic Photoshop / illustrator / Premiere / "Transform MKV to MP4/iPad Air 2 format video with Nvidia GPU" . Based on what i've read on google comparing my GPU with a 3700x, that it might still not be the time to upgrade , that i should wait a bit more.
Why 3700x?. Some affordable future proof CPU. But still the whole "Not for gaming but it is for multitasking" makes me even more confusing
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 17:49 Post subject: |
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| PickupArtist wrote: | | i read something a 2700x is only 5% slower then a 3600 in real life performance, so the 2700 is the real bargain |
In gaming 3600 is much faster due to better IPC.
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 19:31 Post subject: |
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After years in Sweland I still weep when I see the prices for my PC hardware. Just can't get used to it.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Dec 2019 21:35 Post subject: |
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that thing is too heavy, put the case on its side and wiggle and hear ur motherboard and cpu break into pieces rofl
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The only AMD CPUs forward looking are the TR3 ones (quad channel, PCIe lanes, etc.), and those are very expensive, with motherboards also being very expensive. If one is only shortsighted on gaming, a 9900KS still wins there for the vast majority of games, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
The 10980X is disappointing when compared to AND’s top end, but considering it’s price and the motherboard prices, isn’t black and white. I’m still not sure which I’ll get eventually.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Dec 2019 09:30 Post subject: |
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| JBeckman wrote: | EDIT: Yeah the VAT's a thing here, have to keep thinking positive though such as how Finland has worse hardware prices even though the Northern realms here in general has a bit of a extra for tech pricing.
(Polar bears and all that I suppose, isolated remote northern countries and all.) |
Moose delivery is expensive eh?  |
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Dec 2019 13:58 Post subject: |
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I sent 3 big hardware firms a request for an offer for a pc configuration with 3900X
none replied
when I called 1 of them they said they were overwhelmed with orders
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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